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HGA Super Silver Interconnects (.5M lock... - ramossp

I would like to just bow out of this discussion as I am obviously contributing more heat than light. - Norm 17:32:39 05/31/06 (8)
- "I am hearing wrong." Glad to see you're getting with the program! nt - clarkjohnsen 09:28:21 06/01/06 (4)
  - Is this said in mock, or am I just not understanding? nt - Norm 09:33:08 06/01/06 (3)
    - Just pretending I was jj, bjh or such. - clarkjohnsen 09:36:42 06/01/06 (2)
      - I was hoping you saw my statement as giving up on the benefits of challenging misstatements. nt - Norm 10:58:15 06/01/06 (0)
      - I'm sure that being on the side of falsifiability was uncomfortable for you, Clark... - real_jj 09:49:58 06/01/06 (0)
- I'll give you half of your first sentence - real_jj 19:52:20 05/31/06 (2)
  - It doesn't matter how "scientific" one claims DBTs ,.. (long) - cheap-Jack 08:17:19 06/01/06 (1)
    - Well, gather your data, make it falsifiable, and publish it... - real_jj 09:49:03 06/01/06 (0)
Ignorant statements about "appeals to authority" - real_jj 14:20:26 05/31/06 (39)
- Even real 'authorities'.... - mkuller 13:44:47 06/01/06 (5)
  - Surely you can't be referring to me... - real_jj 14:32:44 06/01/06 (4)
    - "Ass", "Self-importance" - you??? Perish the thought.....(nt) - mkuller 10:49:44 06/02/06 (3)
      - It's time for you to cease your stalking and leave. - real_jj 16:19:51 06/02/06 (2)
        
        So...you do advocate censorship...(nt) - mkuller 11:57:38 06/04/06 (1)
        
        No, I have no authority... - real_jj 19:01:31 06/07/06 (0)
- Re: Ignorant statements about "appeals to authority" - Todd Krieger 01:07:18 06/01/06 (0)
- I would like to see this fool use this authority to publish in a refereed publication - Norm 16:45:15 05/31/06 (18)
  - Another fa;lse insinuation I've spotted here: - real_jj 19:47:09 05/31/06 (0)
  - What an appalling misunderstanding of what was said. - Pat D 19:03:51 05/31/06 (16)
    - Pat D are you hiding? - mkuller 11:50:31 06/01/06 (11)
      - You are mixing categories--surprise, surprise! - Pat D 13:20:07 06/01/06 (10)
        
        "Some amplifiers sound the same, some don't." - rditmars 14:05:58 06/01/06 (1)
        
        Re: "Some amplifiers sound the same, some don't." - Pat D 16:31:02 06/01/06 (0)
        
        Just the facts, Jack... - mkuller 13:39:22 06/01/06 (7)
        
        No, that's a value. - Pat D 13:46:19 06/01/06 (6)
        
        Evasive - just answer the question, Pat...(nt) - mkuller 13:56:03 06/01/06 (5)
        
        Oh, look, Pat, now he's stalking you... - real_jj 14:40:40 06/01/06 (4)
        
        Re: Oh, look, Pat, now he's stalking you... - Pat D 05:17:07 06/02/06 (3)
        
        jj's lap dog... - mkuller 10:48:00 06/02/06 (2)
        
        You should be embarrassed at such bald rhetorical deception... - real_jj 16:18:34 06/02/06 (1)
        
        He seems to have no shame, jj, - Pat D 17:42:20 06/02/06 (0)
    - Re: What an appalling misunderstanding of what was said. - Todd Krieger 10:00:35 06/01/06 (3)
      - Hey, Todd, do you have anything to add? - real_jj 10:10:43 06/01/06 (2)
        
        By The Way..... - Todd Krieger 10:33:02 06/01/06 (1)
        
        Well, then, get with it. - real_jj 12:48:09 06/01/06 (0)
- Send this to Whiners...(nt) - mkuller 14:53:39 05/31/06 (4)
  - You don't approve of discussions about argument tactics? - real_jj 14:57:40 05/31/06 (3)
    - You are just whining... - mkuller 17:57:23 05/31/06 (2)
      - Could you at least be consistant? - real_jj 19:48:40 05/31/06 (1)
        
        Good one, jj. I hadn't noticed that one. (nt) - Pat D 13:47:43 06/01/06 (0)
- Re: "appeals to authority" - geoffkait 14:37:14 05/31/06 (1)
  - Your portrait, Geoff? - real_jj 14:45:38 05/31/06 (0)
- "...appealing to one's own authority is always illegitimate." - rditmars 14:29:46 05/31/06 (5)
  - Exactly... - real_jj 14:33:07 05/31/06 (4)
    - "Audio Psychometry".... - Todd Krieger 16:44:00 05/31/06 (3)
      - Goodness, Todd, the internet is NOT the end-all of human knowlege - real_jj 20:29:04 05/31/06 (2)
        
        But You Mentioned.... - Todd Krieger 20:49:39 05/31/06 (1)
        
        You won't do the work, but you will ask questions... - real_jj 21:06:01 05/31/06 (0)
Predicting in a DBT - redux - okiemax 11:47:45 05/31/06 (9)
- You're predicting way too much - mls-stl 14:52:15 05/31/06 (2)
  - Re: You're predicting way too much - okiemax 19:20:40 05/31/06 (1)
    - Re: You're predicting way too much - mls-stl 14:45:36 06/01/06 (0)
- This, in part, is what controls are for... - real_jj 13:16:11 05/31/06 (5)
  - Re: This, in part, is what controls are for... - okiemax 20:09:25 05/31/06 (0)
  - Doesn't a valid experimental design need to control both false positives and false negatives? - rditmars 14:47:12 05/31/06 (3)
    - No... - real_jj 14:52:53 05/31/06 (2)
      - Are these conditions applied to musical signals? - rditmars 15:08:41 05/31/06 (1)
        
        I think that the manufacturer gets to choose. - real_jj 19:42:32 05/31/06 (0)
Imagination. - May Belt 09:26:31 05/28/06 (256)
- It's already been explained to you - Analog Scott 09:46:13 05/28/06 (57)
  - I think that you need to consider also the effects of your beliefs - Norm 12:09:49 05/28/06 (55)
    - The same color stripe demands the same brush. nt - clarkjohnsen 13:01:08 05/28/06 (2)
      - A great philosophy if you are interested in stereotyping people instead of dealing with them. nt - Analog Scott 16:08:34 05/28/06 (1)
        
        Bingo. nt - Rick W 17:43:59 05/31/06 (0)
    - Re: I think that you need to consider also the effects of your beliefs - Analog Scott 16:02:21 05/28/06 (6)
      - I suspect that you assume that without a scientific explanation that you find plausible, you suspect fraud. Correct? - Norm 20:59:43 05/28/06 (5)
        
        No. I suspect you are not reading my posts with any care. - Analog Scott 08:21:01 05/29/06 (4)
        
        I can only conclude that you do not really understand what you say. - Norm 11:41:26 05/29/06 (3)
        
        Clearly you don't understand what I am saying. - Analog Scott 13:13:13 05/29/06 (2)
        
        As I said you want to be the judge and jury. Lots of luck. nt - Norm 15:07:37 05/29/06 (1)
        
        oh, *you* said it, must be true despite what I say about my intentions. nt - Analog Scott 16:33:13 05/29/06 (0)
    - A bundle of weak arguments - Jim Austin 16:59:24 05/28/06 (44)
      - One very weak response - Norm 20:44:33 05/28/06 (31)
        
        Re: One very weak response - Jim Austin 04:30:06 05/29/06 (15)
        
        One very weak response redux - Charles Hansen 05:28:07 05/29/06 (3)
        
        Re: One very weak response redux - Jim Austin 08:45:51 05/29/06 (2)
        
        Re: One very weak response redux - Charles Hansen 12:11:01 05/29/06 (1)
        
        Evidence? - hexenboden 15:18:42 05/31/06 (0)
        
        Of course, I am speaking for myself, as are you. - Norm 05:55:39 05/29/06 (10)
        
        Science? - John Atkinson 10:21:44 05/29/06 (9)
        
        Yes, who needs to please everybody.... - cheap-Jack 08:34:26 06/01/06 (0)
        
        You will seldom see scientist using such loaded words - Norm 11:47:43 05/29/06 (2)
        
        I was taught to say "weighted words", but yes -- the ol' appeal to the emotions usually wins the masses. nt - clarkjohnsen 09:20:46 05/30/06 (1)
        
        Maybe another regional difference nt - Norm 12:06:21 05/30/06 (0)
        
        "Well argued"? - Charles Hansen 12:25:32 05/29/06 (1)
        
        You still have that imaginary bridge huh? - bjh 12:40:13 05/29/06 (0)
        
        More examples - Charles Hansen 15:01:21 05/29/06 (2)
        
        Gravitons... - real_jj 13:21:34 05/31/06 (0)
        
        When audio engineers go bad - Jim Austin 16:30:04 05/29/06 (0)
        
        Are you against consumer protection against scams? - Analog Scott 08:42:09 05/29/06 (13)
        
        On AA, definitely! From government I want it. nt - Norm 11:34:51 05/29/06 (11)
        
        That makes no sense - Analog Scott 20:59:26 05/29/06 (10)
        
        It is just the case that it may only be your opinion - Norm 06:37:11 05/30/06 (9)
        
        Fraud isn't just a matter of opinion - Analog Scott 08:37:56 05/30/06 (8)
        
        It would be interesting to learn how this product fared if it is a real example. - Norm 12:04:33 05/30/06 (7)
        
        It is a real example - Analog Scott 15:19:18 05/30/06 (6)
        
        Or at least trying to do so. - Norm 16:21:15 05/30/06 (5)
        
        Well then we agree about fraud. - Analog Scott 19:40:43 05/30/06 (4)
        
        I would not go that far, but there is some fraud, not as much as you think, however, and not defined as you do. nt - Norm 20:22:46 05/30/06 (3)
        
        Please, stop with your assumptions about what i think. - Analog Scott 08:19:34 05/31/06 (2)
        
        Re: "the only example I've run across" - geoffkait 09:24:34 05/31/06 (1)
        
        That's ridiculous - Analog Scott 09:45:56 05/31/06 (0)
        
        Let me amend that to exclude the W. Bush administration. nt - Norm 11:36:06 05/29/06 (0)
        
        "You seem to think you are the scam police." No "seem" about it! - clarkjohnsen 09:23:44 05/30/06 (0)
      - A bundle of weak arguments redux - Charles Hansen 21:06:08 05/28/06 (1)
        
        Re: A bundle of weak arguments redux - Jim Austin 04:10:39 05/29/06 (0)
      - Re: A bundle of weak arguments - mls-stl 07:17:01 05/29/06 (0)
      - Why ???? - hexenboden 08:43:37 05/29/06 (8)
        
        Re: Why ???? - Jim Austin 08:52:58 05/29/06 (5)
        
        Conversion - hexenboden 09:16:42 05/29/06 (4)
        
        Skepticism about what science can tell us? - Norm 11:32:58 05/29/06 (1)
        
        When did I suggest that ??? (nt) - hexenboden 19:56:26 05/29/06 (0)
        
        Re: Conversion - Jim Austin 12:25:39 05/29/06 (1)
        
        Indeed (nt) - hexenboden 19:55:38 05/29/06 (0)
        
        Re: Why ???? - bjh 11:23:46 05/29/06 (1)
        
        Babble, babble, LOL (nt) - hexenboden 19:36:05 05/29/06 (0)
  - Re: It's already been explained to you - mls-stl 07:06:57 05/29/06 (0)
- Jeez, over & over, on & on. Are you related to George Louis? nt - Rick W 12:35:11 05/28/06 (0)
- I think you are missing... - Jim Austin 16:49:46 05/28/06 (0)
- Re: Imagination. - Charles Hansen 20:06:14 05/28/06 (100)
  - Mr. Hansen while there are things that to you "made no sense whatsoever" you should not be so presumptuous - bjh 09:11:41 05/29/06 (96)
    - When I was in graduate school... - Jim Austin 12:52:58 05/29/06 (95)
      - It is your belief that what you did with the Feynmann diagrams has anything to do with audio that infuriates others. - Norm 15:15:25 05/29/06 (69)
        
        Norm, I think you're missing the point. - Rick W 16:00:30 05/29/06 (68)
        
        Re: Norm, I think you're missing the point. - Jim Austin 16:07:01 05/29/06 (0)
        
        You are right. I just am offended by chips for chumps - Norm 16:39:17 05/29/06 (66)
        
        I did try the silly things and I can't think of a better title. - Dave Pogue 16:45:12 05/29/06 (0)
        
        Your anger is misplaced. - bjh 18:13:30 05/29/06 (64)
        
        Almost agree (surprise!) - Charles Hansen 19:01:13 05/29/06 (59)
        
        Re: Almost agree (surprise!) - John Atkinson 19:26:00 05/29/06 (48)
        
        Pls cancel my subscrtiption!!! - hexenboden 19:39:27 05/29/06 (0)
        
        I largely agree with Charles, and I think you are trying to draw the line for him and others - Norm 20:23:51 05/29/06 (1)
        
        "So was the X ray." And look at all the, ah, scientists who derided the concept. Just like anaesthesia. nt - clarkjohnsen 09:09:41 05/30/06 (0)
        
        Try the SPECTRA Dynamics Foculpods ... - bjh 20:59:27 05/29/06 (0)
        
        Wull, yahbut - Charles Hansen 04:45:52 05/30/06 (2)
        
        Stop making sense! nt - clarkjohnsen 09:10:24 05/30/06 (1)
        
        Am an attendant lord, one that will do (nt) - Jim Austin 10:11:53 05/30/06 (0)
        
        A matter of trust? - Charles Hansen 07:38:39 05/30/06 (10)
        
        "Steve Harris, Ken Kessler, John Curl, and Bobby Palkovic." Pish tish! Mere dabblers! nt - clarkjohnsen 09:13:22 05/30/06 (9)
        
        Re: "Steve Harris, Ken Kessler, John Curl, and Bobby Palkovic." Pish tish! Mere dabblers! nt - Charles Hansen 09:22:43 05/30/06 (7)
        
        Shows what I get for... - clarkjohnsen 09:36:35 05/30/06 (6)
        
        Yeah, Harvard is famous for its music appreciation courses. GMAB. nt - Rick W 09:49:11 05/30/06 (4)
        
        Actually . . . it is. nt - markrohr 08:37:45 05/31/06 (3)
        
        Is, and was since the 1800s, sporting the country's oldest continuing performing orchestra. nt - clarkjohnsen 08:45:11 05/31/06 (0)
        
        Plus -- that coarse and crass poster once again demonstrates his ignorance and presumption. nt - clarkjohnsen 08:48:04 05/31/06 (1)
        
        I gotta eat crow. - Rick W 19:10:58 05/31/06 (0)
        
        Shows that attempting to educate a block head is as futile as using a brick to absorb a spill? nt - bjh 10:09:38 05/30/06 (0)
        
        No, I'm not Prince Hamlet! (nt) - Jim Austin 10:11:26 05/30/06 (0)
        
        Words of wisdom from the past? - Charles Hansen 07:49:09 05/30/06 (29)
        
        Are you confused Mr. Hansen? - bjh 09:04:05 05/30/06 (2)
        
        Now we know why you and I rarely agree - Charles Hansen 09:21:30 05/30/06 (1)
        
        Not terribly bright are you? ... a quality concomitant with the need to be always right. nt - bjh 10:24:38 05/30/06 (0)
        
        Re: Words of wisdom from the past? - May Belt 10:20:50 05/30/06 (4)
        
        Re: Words of wisdom from the past? - bjh 13:56:27 05/31/06 (2)
        
        Re: Words of wisdom from the past? - May Belt 14:47:43 05/31/06 (1)
        
        Thank you. Quite a qualification I must say! - bjh 19:45:55 05/31/06 (0)
        
        "They think people should know"? But PEOPLE DON'T WANT TO KNOW! - clarkjohnsen 10:38:49 05/31/06 (0)
        
        Re: Words of wisdom from the past? - John Atkinson 11:15:33 05/30/06 (20)
        
        Wull, yahbut - Charles Hansen 12:04:36 05/30/06 (19)
        
        Aaah... - John Atkinson 14:19:59 05/30/06 (18)
        
        So I suppose that next Stereophile will start publishing Arny Krueger? - Charles Hansen 16:07:23 05/30/06 (3)
        
        Re: So I suppose that next Stereophile will start publishing Arny Krueger? - John Atkinson 22:25:15 05/31/06 (0)
        
        I think he'd have to learn to write first. nt - Analog Scott 16:25:04 05/30/06 (1)
        
        Actually, there is a debate between AK and JA on the Stereophile site. - Pat D 07:16:31 06/01/06 (0)
        
        As an editor I will agree with John - David W. Robinson 20:15:52 05/30/06 (6)
        
        Exactly Right - John Atkinson 22:22:09 05/31/06 (1)
        
        Please note... - Jim Austin 09:28:30 06/01/06 (0)
        
        As always, the devil is in the details - Charles Hansen 21:02:27 05/30/06 (3)
        
        Actually, the devil can be many places... - David W. Robinson 23:51:38 05/30/06 (2)
        
        You would have a different view if you read the article in question. - Charles Hansen 05:44:44 05/31/06 (1)
        
        One could further add that Austin *ceremoniously* trashed it. - clarkjohnsen 10:30:08 05/31/06 (0)
        
        The central fact remains... - Jim Austin 04:46:08 05/31/06 (6)
        
        Re: The central fact remains... - john curl 21:40:16 05/31/06 (1)
        
        Here's the thread I was referring to over the 'phone. - clarkjohnsen 07:39:37 06/05/06 (0)
        
        More bullshit appealing to emotions, without a shred of evidence. - Charles Hansen 05:49:22 05/31/06 (1)
        
        Tune in next week when we'll witness our hero, ... - bjh 07:10:25 05/31/06 (0)
        
        I must say ... - bjh 08:09:14 05/31/06 (0)
        
        "...and Charles Hansen gets richer." Now *that* is genuinely crude... and too late to delete! nt - clarkjohnsen 10:34:52 05/31/06 (0)
        
        Well, taking a page from the Hansen Method - How to Respond to a Conciliatory Entreaty ... - bjh 20:28:37 05/29/06 (6)
        
        You forgot "dink"! (nt) - Jim Austin 03:04:44 05/30/06 (1)
        
        Drink! - Charles Hansen 04:51:01 05/30/06 (0)
        
        Even though I was pretty sure what the content of this post would be like... - andy_c 09:19:06 05/30/06 (3)
        
        Re: Even though I was pretty sure what the content of this post would be like... - Charles Hansen 09:30:08 05/30/06 (2)
        
        Okay, I will try to look up info... - andy_c 18:47:01 05/30/06 (1)
        
        Re: Okay, I will try to look up info... - Charles Hansen 19:07:07 05/30/06 (0)
        
        A ROCK AND A HARD PLACE -- "Tell us how it works or I won't try it." "What you tell us about how it works... - clarkjohnsen 09:16:59 05/30/06 (1)
        
        Full of high sentence, but a bit obtuse; (nt) - Jim Austin 10:15:59 05/30/06 (0)
        
        An ordinary Joe Consumer's take on this - rbolaw 14:22:46 05/30/06 (0)
        
        Re: Ah, proving once again - geoffkait 09:49:28 05/30/06 (2)
        
        Let me guess ... your "comment" can only be explained with reference to Quantum Electro Dynamics? nt - bjh 09:55:17 05/30/06 (1)
        
        Actually explained by regnad kcin. nt. - Lynn 18:56:07 05/31/06 (0)
        
        Just trying to understand. - hexenboden 13:20:22 05/30/06 (0)
      - Re: Feynman - geoffkait 16:45:39 05/29/06 (17)
        
        You're lucky he's dead - Jim Austin 19:06:30 05/29/06 (15)
        
        Drink! - Charles Hansen 19:11:26 05/29/06 (1)
        
        Re: Drink! - john curl 00:51:43 05/30/06 (0)
        
        Re: More to the point - geoffkait 04:57:26 05/30/06 (12)
        
        Actually - Jim Austin 05:35:15 05/30/06 (11)
        
        Re: It's all right, I'm only bleeding - geoffkait 07:17:53 05/30/06 (10)
        
        "Invest in," indeed - Jim Austin 07:27:45 05/30/06 (0)
        
        By the way, did you write this... - Jim Austin 07:33:08 05/30/06 (7)
        
        Reminiscent of Dylan drivel. - regmac 07:42:11 05/30/06 (5)
        
        I got no problem with Dylan... - Jim Austin 07:50:28 05/30/06 (4)
        
        Drink! - Charles Hansen 07:51:25 05/30/06 (0)
        
        It's 11 a.m. - Jim Austin 07:54:06 05/30/06 (2)
        
        Re: It's 11 a.m. - Charles Hansen 09:28:22 05/30/06 (1)
        
        Re: Actually - geoffkait 09:33:12 05/30/06 (0)
        
        Reminds me of a scene from a movie... - Jim Austin 07:59:26 05/30/06 (0)
        
        fergit... - Wellfed 10:54:49 05/31/06 (0)
        
        unfortunately you chose an irrelevant quote - tunenut 19:17:04 05/29/06 (0)
      - Please don't take him seriously... - hexenboden 19:33:48 05/29/06 (0)
      - Re: When I was in graduate school... - john curl 21:25:28 05/30/06 (5)
        
        Allow me to elucidate ... - bjh 22:10:33 05/30/06 (0)
        
        Re: When I was in graduate school... - john curl 23:24:42 05/30/06 (1)
        
        the titlle of volume 4 is Quantum Electrodynamics - tunenut 09:10:33 05/31/06 (0)
        
        Pathetic - Jim Austin 03:26:29 05/31/06 (1)
        
        Re: Pathetic - john curl 09:13:56 05/31/06 (0)
  - Tried Snickers yet? - Rick W 11:21:30 05/29/06 (0)
  - You and I seem to share the privilege of being sniped at by the two 'holes below. 'Grats! - clarkjohnsen 09:00:39 05/30/06 (1)
    - LOL. "When a man behaves rudely it's a sure sign he knows deep down inside that he's lost. - Rick W 10:20:10 05/30/06 (0)
- No, it's the other way around - hexenboden 08:38:21 05/29/06 (23)
  - The question that you cause me to consider is why some are not affected by the placebo effect? - Norm 11:26:07 05/29/06 (20)
    - "presumably even were the listening done in a double blind circumstance" - bjh 11:41:08 05/29/06 (1)
      - LOL, here you have surpassed even yourself !? (nt) - hexenboden 18:28:48 05/29/06 (0)
    - very bad definitions iMO - tunenut 12:36:44 05/29/06 (1)
      - Your examples are not where the argument lies - Norm 14:49:28 05/29/06 (0)
    - Re: The question that you cause me to consider is why some are not affected by the placebo effect? - Analog Scott 13:01:27 05/29/06 (3)
      - Wrong root - hexenboden 18:27:17 05/29/06 (2)
        
        Re: Wrong root - Analog Scott 18:45:19 05/29/06 (1)
        
        Audio Science - hexenboden 19:26:41 05/29/06 (0)
    - The fly in my argument - hexenboden 18:22:40 05/29/06 (10)
      - I don't think I state my question clearly enough - Norm 19:58:38 05/29/06 (9)
        
        Science, cables and the body of knowledge - hexenboden 00:04:20 05/30/06 (8)
        
        "My advice is to listen to the music and not [let] hobbyists make its careful progress..." - clarkjohnsen 08:57:42 05/30/06 (7)
        
        Why do you rephrase my posts? - hexenboden 13:15:38 05/30/06 (6)
        
        It's just his thing, it's what he does. (nt) - Jim Austin 16:31:31 05/30/06 (2)
        
        And your thing is to rephrase journal articles, changing their results to support your worldview. [nt] - Charles Hansen 19:27:05 05/30/06 (1)
        
        It's what he does -- and gets paid for! nt - clarkjohnsen 09:33:00 05/31/06 (0)
        
        To fit on one line, and to make some sense out of them. Now about that word you claim I "added"... - clarkjohnsen 09:31:49 05/31/06 (2)
        
        Your definition of "research" and other matters - hexenboden 12:43:09 05/31/06 (1)
        
        Clark often ignores basic logic. - Pat D 18:56:16 05/31/06 (0)
    - "I have never seen any science evaluating this [placebo] question." Nor shall you. - clarkjohnsen 08:44:47 05/30/06 (0)
  - Re: No, it's the other way around - Soundmind 16:01:05 05/30/06 (1)
    - Virginia Slims - hexenboden 23:02:23 05/30/06 (0)
- the key phrase - tunenut 09:30:43 05/29/06 (1)
  - Maybe she uses morphic messages! - KlausR. 02:08:02 05/30/06 (0)
- You want to know if a tweak works ? - Lambda 14:02:18 05/29/06 (0)
- Denial - Feanor 17:21:49 05/29/06 (0)
- The sad fact about audio is how often audiophiles imagine hearing differences - Richard BassNut Greene 10:37:16 05/30/06 (41)
  - Thanks! I was needing my DBT Semon fix something awful ... another day and I'd have been deep into the DBT DTs. nt - bjh 11:06:32 05/30/06 (4)
    - I wouldn't touch that post with a ten-foot pole , although ... - Richard BassNut Greene 08:12:05 06/01/06 (0)
    - He meant "sermon" of course! Whew! - Bruce Kendall 12:52:42 05/30/06 (1)
      - I don't know.... - rditmars 13:55:23 05/30/06 (0)
    - What? (nt) - hexenboden 14:42:40 05/30/06 (0)
  - The sad fact about audio is how often audiophiles imagine they hear no differences - Norm 11:56:03 05/30/06 (2)
    - It could also be drugs...wink (nt) - hexenboden 14:47:27 05/30/06 (0)
    - Differences are imagined, small SPL differences, small channel balance differences, or real differences - Richard BassNut Greene 08:57:06 05/31/06 (0)
  - Re: The sad fact about audio is how often audiophiles imagine hearing differences - Awe-d-o-file 14:20:28 05/30/06 (9)
    - I am so tired of the following fallacious argument... - hexenboden 14:46:10 05/30/06 (7)
      - Re: I am so tired of the following fallacious argument... - Awe-d-o-file 16:47:23 05/30/06 (6)
        
        Re: I am so tired of the following fallacious argument... - hexenboden 18:21:41 05/30/06 (5)
        
        Re: I am so tired of the following fallacious argument... - Awe-d-o-file 18:40:00 05/30/06 (4)
        
        Hard time understanding - hexenboden 22:44:13 05/30/06 (1)
        
        Re: Hard time understanding - Awe-d-o-file 14:44:47 06/01/06 (0)
        
        "Take something that really matters like politics or the AIDS crisis." Now *that's* funny! nt - clarkjohnsen 09:03:31 05/31/06 (1)
        
        Re: "Take something that really matters like politics or the AIDS crisis." Now *that's* funny! nt -how so ? - Awe-d-o-file 14:49:34 06/01/06 (0)
    - "If you can't hear the difference you have no business telling people what they should or should not think." YES! nt - clarkjohnsen 09:05:14 05/31/06 (0)
  - You aren't imagining hearing a difference when... - Soundmind 14:29:46 05/30/06 (3)
    - Welcome back - hexenboden 14:50:03 05/30/06 (0)
    - From what seats in Symphony Hall - unclestu52 20:56:07 05/30/06 (1)
      - Any seat...in any hall - Soundmind 03:12:16 05/31/06 (0)
  - Re: The sad fact about audio is how often audiophiles imagine hearing differences - J-PMatt@Comcast.Net 16:14:58 05/30/06 (10)
    - Here's a suggestion - Soundmind 17:38:24 05/30/06 (2)
      - Solid idea - J-PMatt@Comcast.Net 19:10:07 05/30/06 (1)
        
        Small differences in FR in real world conditions, not bench tests, can make significant audible differences - Soundmind 04:09:07 05/31/06 (0)
    - Fantasia - hexenboden 18:27:10 05/30/06 (6)
      - Or reality.......... - J-PMatt@Comcast.Net 19:05:15 05/30/06 (5)
        
        Not necessarily clipping - hexenboden 22:27:34 05/30/06 (4)
        
        It's amazing to watch you jump to conclusions....... - J-PMatt@Comcast.Net 05:36:20 05/31/06 (3)
        
        You are confusing a lot of things about amplifiers - hexenboden 08:31:01 05/31/06 (2)
        
        Re: You are confusing a lot of things about amplifiers - J-PMatt@Comcast.Net 10:40:26 05/31/06 (1)
        
        You are confusing a lot of things about amplifiers - hexenboden 12:03:36 05/31/06 (0)
  - Or the sadness of living life with the mantra that only scientifically proven differences can be experienced-NT - lancelot 19:21:13 05/30/06 (2)
    - Happiness is learning how well you hear & targeting audio spending where it makes an audible difference to you - Richard BassNut Greene 08:22:06 05/31/06 (1)
      - Rational approach BUT - lancelot 10:28:46 05/31/06 (0)
  - irnoically it's the militant objectivists that live in denial. - Analog Scott 08:15:12 05/31/06 (3)
    - Objective audiophiles ONLY listen to the music because nothing else is needed to enjoy music or compare components - Richard BassNut Greene 08:37:25 05/31/06 (2)
      - Dude catch a clue. Blind doesn't mean literally blind. It means you don't know what's playing. nt. - Analog Scott 09:41:19 05/31/06 (1)
        
        Better to be silent and be thought a fool ... then to post here and remove all doubt ... - Richard BassNut Greene 08:30:45 06/01/06 (0)
  - Re: The sad fact about audio is how often audiophiles imagine hearing differences - thetubeguy1954 09:08:11 05/31/06 (0)
- Re: Imagination is the audio salesman's principle tool whether it's yourself or a showroom vulture. * - mr grits 15:49:26 05/30/06 (4)
  - Maybe where you shop....... - J-PMatt@Comcast.Net 16:21:36 05/30/06 (3)
    - What do you do to prevent imagination from being a factor - Analog Scott 17:05:30 05/30/06 (2)
      - I use experience - J-PMatt@Comcast.Net 18:39:49 05/30/06 (1)
        
        I hope Julian Hisch isn't really a role model - Analog Scott 08:12:45 05/31/06 (0)
- You hear what you hear - Frihed89 01:04:57 05/31/06 (19)
  - How do you know what you hear? - Soundmind 03:56:40 05/31/06 (18)
    - The usual cracks about the irrationality of the disbelievers. Nothing new here. - Norm 06:00:09 05/31/06 (14)
      - "Nothing new here." Science is still science...ad hype is still ad hype...religion is still "faith" nt - Soundmind 06:31:52 05/31/06 (12)
        
        Science? Where's the science in all this? - Analog Scott 08:10:00 05/31/06 (0)
        
        The only faith that scientists subscribe to is the scientific method. - Norm 08:30:54 05/31/06 (10)
        
        Most scientists can enjoy a ine meal without scientifically valid proof - Analog Scott 08:35:13 05/31/06 (7)
        
        Re: You must not have heard of - geoffkait 08:54:45 05/31/06 (6)
        
        Re: You must not have heard of - Analog Scott 09:37:12 05/31/06 (5)
        
        Re: Agree, but - geoffkait 10:00:16 05/31/06 (1)
        
        you mean comparing component s and tweaks is not about the enjoyment of music? - Analog Scott 10:07:02 05/31/06 (0)
        
        Agreed, life is too short. [nt] - Wellfed 10:41:15 05/31/06 (0)
        
        What? I entirely agree with you!! - Norm 12:37:11 05/31/06 (1)
        
        My opinions have not changed. nt - Analog Scott 18:58:18 05/31/06 (0)
        
        surely you know you've gone overboard - tunenut 09:23:19 05/31/06 (1)
        
        Perhaps I should have said the scientific method requires one faith, in it. I hardly believe I have gone overboard. - Norm 12:29:14 05/31/06 (0)
      - Norm, do you wear glasses? - Rick W 10:42:02 05/31/06 (0)
    - Is DBTing how you compare gear for your system? - Kloss 06:53:10 05/31/06 (0)
    - You may like testing equipment. I like sitting down and listening to music with it. - Analog Scott 08:07:44 05/31/06 (0)
    - Re: How do you know what you hear? - thetubeguy1954 08:50:35 05/31/06 (0)
Predicting in a DBT - redux - okiemax 11:47:45 05/31/06 (0)
May I borrow famous quotes to describe DBTs & the likes. - cheap-Jack 13:21:59 05/29/06 (85)
- Isn't my point crystal clear ? - cheap-Jack 13:31:58 05/30/06 (16)
  - No, it's not "crystal clear" - real_jj 14:41:05 05/30/06 (15)
    - Yes, cheap-Jack it's "crystal clear" - thetubeguy1954 06:57:10 05/31/06 (14)
      - Tubeguy lies again... - real_jj 09:55:30 05/31/06 (13)
        
        No, It's Real JJ who lies... - thetubeguy1954 11:58:48 05/31/06 (10)
        
        again, more lies, or is it utter incomprehension? - real_jj 12:03:18 05/31/06 (9)
        
        Real JJ again, more lies, or is it utter incomprehension? - thetubeguy1954 12:19:29 05/31/06 (8)
        
        You don't even quote yourself correctly! - Pat D 13:05:46 05/31/06 (4)
        
        Re: You don't even quote yourself correctly! - thetubeguy1954 05:44:35 06/01/06 (3)
        
        I understand quotations not long enough to indicate the meaning. - Pat D 07:31:23 06/01/06 (2)
        
        No, You're Just An Objectivist That Doesn't Want To Understand - thetubeguy1954 09:38:05 06/01/06 (1)
        
        Strange that you can't explain it if it's so "crystal clear" in its application to audio! - Pat D 13:05:53 06/01/06 (0)
        
        The decision is not binary... - real_jj 12:44:10 05/31/06 (2)
        
        U R Just WRONG - thetubeguy1954 06:53:53 06/01/06 (1)
        
        Then you'd better file that professional complaint - real_jj 09:51:10 06/01/06 (0)
        
        Can't anyone here spell "disingenuous"? - Dave Pogue 11:32:17 05/31/06 (1)
        
        I admit, my speling is atroshus. :) - real_jj 11:59:29 05/31/06 (0)
- Here's one more... - mkuller 10:14:10 05/30/06 (67)
  - Then you DO believe in science!?!? - real_jj 10:28:31 05/30/06 (66)
    - Science vs. Static Doctrine - Todd Krieger 12:39:26 05/30/06 (22)
      - Are we really discussing dogma? - Lynn 20:19:14 05/30/06 (2)
        
        Re: Are we really discussing dogma? - Todd Krieger 21:51:50 05/30/06 (1)
        
        There is no "clash" in the art... - real_jj 10:01:33 05/31/06 (0)
      - As usual, you choose to personalize the issue - real_jj 13:25:02 05/30/06 (18)
        
        "I'm not stating MY position, I'm stating the strongly held position of the scientific community." Wow, not hubris here. - Norm 06:16:06 05/31/06 (15)
        
        In stating the earth revolves about the the sun, I am stating the strongly held position of the scientific community! - Pat D 13:52:32 06/01/06 (0)
        
        If you doubt my statement, do the homework... - real_jj 09:57:07 05/31/06 (2)
        
        No, it is only your opinion - Norm 12:17:37 05/31/06 (1)
        
        No, it's not my "opinion" - real_jj 16:20:44 06/01/06 (0)
        
        Actually, it's quite a humble position. - Pat D 06:24:09 05/31/06 (10)
        
        Indeed..... - Todd Krieger 09:55:07 05/31/06 (5)
        
        Oh, and your link is misleadingly titled... - real_jj 10:03:35 05/31/06 (3)
        
        Why Of Course.... - Todd Krieger 10:11:51 05/31/06 (2)
        
        Right... - real_jj 10:29:23 05/31/06 (1)
        
        One Of Real JJ's Undiscovered Talents??? - thetubeguy1954 12:06:50 05/31/06 (0)
        
        If you think this is not the concensus, show your work - real_jj 09:59:32 05/31/06 (0)
        
        I do know that authority has no role in the scientific method, one must demonstrate ones understanding of the research. - Norm 08:40:07 05/31/06 (3)
        
        Is there some reason you bothered to say that? - real_jj 09:58:23 05/31/06 (2)
        
        Only that you claim authority. nt - Norm 12:11:07 05/31/06 (1)
        
        Bad form, Norm... - real_jj 14:13:14 05/31/06 (0)
        
        As I Was Saying..... - Todd Krieger 15:02:44 05/30/06 (1)
        
        As usual, you can not accept the facts, and would rather falsely personalize the issue - real_jj 17:40:27 05/30/06 (0)
    - Of course I believe in science... - mkuller 11:28:11 05/30/06 (42)
      - Pseudoscience - hexenboden 12:51:44 05/31/06 (1)
        
        No, it's not "science", just observation...(nt) - mkuller 13:22:40 05/31/06 (0)
      - "Absence of proof is not proof of absence," but then it's not proof of presence, either. - Pat D 17:39:44 05/30/06 (1)
        
        So exactly what is "our position" on amplifiers? (nt) - mkuller 11:09:53 05/31/06 (0)
      - Re: Nice try... - $orabji! 16:02:26 05/30/06 (0)
      - Re: Nice try... - $orabji! 16:01:37 05/30/06 (0)
      - Your claim to "underdetection"??? - real_jj 12:19:40 05/30/06 (34)
        
        Re: Your claim to "underdetection"??? - thetubeguy1954 07:09:38 05/31/06 (1)
        
        Perish the thought. nt - clarkjohnsen 11:23:10 05/31/06 (0)
        
        Re: Your claim to "underdetection"??? - Todd Krieger 12:54:52 05/30/06 (16)
        
        "underdetection"??? - mkuller 13:02:29 05/30/06 (15)
        
        Um, actually, I don't see anything like universal support for the 'amps are same' idea. - real_jj 13:24:12 05/30/06 (14)
        
        Hardly universal support for audio equipment DBTs either....(nt) - mkuller 13:48:00 05/30/06 (13)
        
        Really? Evidence? - real_jj 13:56:07 05/30/06 (12)
        
        Evidence? - mkuller 14:12:44 05/30/06 (11)
        
        Sorry, threads here are not evidence... - real_jj 14:39:20 05/30/06 (10)
        
        Threads here ARE evidence of ... - mkuller 10:25:40 05/31/06 (9)
        
        Agreed, "what audiophiles think"... - real_jj 10:30:25 05/31/06 (8)
        
        So why are DBTs germane to audiophiles? - mkuller 11:07:45 05/31/06 (7)
        
        This is PROP-HEAD - real_jj 12:06:38 05/31/06 (6)
        
        And that has nothing to do with *research protocol DBTs*...(nt) - mkuller 12:46:31 05/31/06 (5)
        
        Only in your imagination, sir - real_jj 13:17:46 05/31/06 (4)
        
        Then call for them on your research protocol newsgroup...(nt) - mkuller 13:23:58 05/31/06 (3)
        
        Get out of my ghetto, Mkuller. - real_jj 14:09:41 05/31/06 (2)
        
        Go back to *rec.audio* where you belong...(nt) - mkuller 14:55:29 05/31/06 (1)
        
        So, you speak for the Bored? - real_jj 09:52:00 06/01/06 (0)
        
        When you say "DBT", specifically what are you referring to? - mkuller 12:31:21 05/30/06 (14)
        
        DBT by itself means "Double-blind test" - real_jj 12:34:34 05/30/06 (13)
        
        Unfortunately, you don't say THAT very often...(nt) - mkuller 13:04:26 05/30/06 (7)
        
        Actually, I do say that more often than you think... - real_jj 13:26:13 05/30/06 (6)
        
        You certainly have said it quite often! - Pat D 17:44:15 05/30/06 (5)
        
        Down boy....(nt) - mkuller 10:26:41 05/31/06 (4)
        
        And you failed to do the requisite research. - Pat D 19:10:14 05/31/06 (1)
        
        He doesn't want to learn. He wants to preach, Hallelujah Brother! - real_jj 09:52:38 06/01/06 (0)
        
        How original, dehumanize the opposition - real_jj 10:31:05 05/31/06 (1)
        
        It's about all he CAN do! (nt) - Pat D 13:10:52 06/01/06 (0)
        
        A word of advice. - cheap-Jack 12:52:05 05/30/06 (4)
        
        What's your point? - real_jj 13:22:42 05/30/06 (3)
        
        Quoting Einstein makes one theoretically relative. (nt) - soulfood 08:57:40 05/31/06 (2)
        
        Generally Relative, maybe, even.... - real_jj 10:05:13 05/31/06 (1)
        
        'Proper' is elusive. Yes gravity, metaphorical name-dropping. (nt) - soulfood 17:00:56 05/31/06 (0)
      - Good point about "science". - cheap-Jack 11:42:23 05/30/06 (0)
Blinded by a coin toss - tomservo 12:19:04 05/28/06 (3)
- Re: Blinded by a coin toss - okiemax 14:13:39 05/28/06 (2)
  - Re: Blinded by a coin toss(an apology) - okiemax 14:46:27 05/28/06 (1)
    - Lithium and DBT's ....... :) .......... the truth is out there - hitsware 16:27:26 05/28/06 (0)
Predicting in a DBT - okiemax 20:38:21 05/27/06 (40)
- Re: Predicting in a DBT(correction) - okiemax 09:53:18 05/28/06 (5)
  - And test administrators... - real_jj 22:30:01 05/28/06 (4)
    - Re: And test administrators... - okiemax 08:46:08 05/29/06 (3)
      - There are a variety of tests one can do on the actual data - real_jj 10:55:19 05/29/06 (2)
        
        Re: There are a variety of tests one can do on the actual data - okiemax 11:42:47 05/30/06 (1)
        
        You'd be surprised what subjects do... :) - real_jj 12:22:08 05/30/06 (0)
- Re: Predicting in a DBT - Todd Krieger 22:48:05 05/27/06 (2)
  - Re: Predicting in a DBT - okiemax 00:37:40 05/28/06 (1)
    - "Imagination is MORE important than knowledge.." by Albert Einstein.(nt) - cheap-Jack 13:07:56 05/29/06 (0)
- Subject is unaware of any distribution - Caymus 21:05:02 05/27/06 (30)
  - Re: Subject is unaware of any distribution - okiemax 23:48:23 05/27/06 (15)
    - Re: Subject is unaware of any distribution - mls-stl 08:06:34 05/29/06 (0)
    - The point of blind testing is to eliminate prejudicial influences - Caymus 10:37:20 05/28/06 (8)
      - Re: The point of blind testing is to eliminate prejudicial influences - okiemax 12:08:05 05/28/06 (7)
        
        Re: This isn't a double blind test - mls-stl 08:14:10 05/29/06 (6)
        
        Re: Not double-blind? - okiemax 10:08:28 05/29/06 (5)
        
        Re: Not double-blind? - mls-stl 14:38:34 05/29/06 (4)
        
        Re: Not double-blind? - okiemax 19:28:34 05/29/06 (3)
        
        Re: Not double-blind? - mls-stl 19:59:02 05/30/06 (2)
        
        Re: P value threshold - okiemax 07:57:56 05/31/06 (1)
        
        Re: P value threshold - mls-stl 16:06:39 05/31/06 (0)
    - Re: Subject is unaware of any distribution - hitsware 08:01:41 05/28/06 (4)
      - Re: Unlikley - okiemax 08:42:10 05/28/06 (3)
        
        Re: Unlikley - mls-stl 08:20:50 05/29/06 (0)
        
        Re: Unlikley - Ted Smith 09:07:12 05/28/06 (1)
        
        Re: Thanks for the information - okiemax 09:22:03 05/28/06 (0)
  - Re: Subject is unaware of any distribution - Ted Smith 22:47:40 05/27/06 (2)
    - Re: Subject is unaware of any distribution - Caymus 23:11:50 05/27/06 (1)
      - That's what controls are for - real_jj 10:29:18 05/30/06 (0)
  - Re: Subject is unaware of any distribution - Todd Krieger 22:30:32 05/27/06 (10)
    - I agree - audiophile ego is the real issue - Caymus 23:06:14 05/27/06 (9)
      - Humans are strategic thinkers. Your comments are grossly unscientific prejudgments. nt - Norm 08:37:27 05/28/06 (8)
        
        The original post said the subject was "predicting" the correct answers - Caymus 09:46:40 05/28/06 (7)
        
        You are naive if you expect subjects are not guessing your intent - Norm 10:12:01 05/28/06 (3)
        
        Then you agree expectations can involuntarily influence what we hear! - Caymus 10:51:49 05/28/06 (2)
        
        No, you need to expect that you are being gamed in an experiment. - Norm 11:27:48 05/28/06 (1)
        
        Uh uh... - real_jj 09:54:24 06/01/06 (0)
        
        When taking a test I often think of other things than the sound itself - Ted Smith 09:54:56 05/28/06 (2)
        
        In same/different tests, I get flummoxed and neglect to relax and enjoy the music - Norm 11:41:57 05/28/06 (1)
        
        First step in a test, get comfortable... - real_jj 10:32:29 05/31/06 (0)
anyone know of an adequate freeware/shareware 'alegraic solver'? _ (nt) - Mart 13:18:30 05/27/06 (0)
MY ANTI-OBJECTIVIST BIAS – PART 2 - okiemax 15:37:16 05/26/06 (3)
- Re: MY ANTI-OBJECTIVIST BIAS – PART 2 - mls-stl 09:42:10 05/29/06 (1)
  - I agree - okiemax 20:28:57 05/29/06 (0)
- Well it shouldn't - Robert Hamel 17:53:57 05/26/06 (0)
Couldn't Objectivists Possibly Be Wrong? - thetubeguy1954 09:05:54 05/26/06 (59)
- It's all probabilities, Tom. Have said it often. Next question? - Pat D 14:35:14 05/27/06 (0)
- You a subjectivist? Give me a break! - Don T 12:45:59 05/26/06 (0)
- I don’t understand this polarization - Caymus 12:37:22 05/26/06 (0)
- That Isn't Even the Issue.... - Todd Krieger 12:29:20 05/26/06 (36)
  - The REAL issue.... - mkuller 13:24:07 05/26/06 (32)
    - Science as no "lock on the truth" in a very real sense - real_jj 13:25:02 05/26/06 (31)
      - Now that is a truth ! - E-Stat 14:04:04 05/26/06 (30)
        
        Here's some more truth........... - Dan Banquer 17:23:43 05/26/06 (1)
        
        That would be *fantasies*, Dan - E-Stat 07:53:37 05/27/06 (0)
        
        "observationalist " - Isn't that subjective? - Caymus 14:40:33 05/26/06 (27)
        
        Subjective implies preference - E-Stat 14:56:22 05/26/06 (26)
        
        Photointerpreters are quite highly regarded within the intelligence community... - clarkjohnsen 08:20:20 05/27/06 (1)
        
        Big difference - they actually PROVE the accuracy and reliability of their skill every day - Caymus 15:33:29 05/27/06 (0)
        
        Didn’t Harry Pearson start calling himself an "observationalist" later... - Caymus 15:37:07 05/26/06 (0)
        
        No, subjective does not imply preference... - real_jj 15:35:16 05/26/06 (22)
        
        Sure it does - E-Stat 19:35:40 05/26/06 (21)
        
        Don't apply Webster definitions to technical terms. - real_jj 22:16:37 05/26/06 (20)
        
        He is right that lay language often clouds concepts, but you are right about his self-provided definitions. - Norm 08:43:09 05/28/06 (0)
        
        Words and ideas and arguments mean what jj says they mean - Dave Pogue 05:21:11 05/28/06 (18)
        
        Spare us all! - Pat D 08:53:26 05/30/06 (10)
        
        Spare us ... all? - Dave Pogue 09:05:54 05/30/06 (9)
        
        Re: Spare us ... all? - Pat D 17:47:24 05/30/06 (8)
        
        Take a look, folks (nt) - Dave Pogue 17:54:47 05/30/06 (7)
        
        Some of us definitely did :) But what can you say? - Ted Smith 22:13:51 05/30/06 (6)
        
        Perhaps in your dreams . . . - Pat D 04:11:51 06/01/06 (5)
        
        Why the tone? - Ted Smith 09:20:43 06/01/06 (4)
        
        What tone? - Pat D 15:35:26 06/01/06 (3)
        
        Re: What tone? - Ted Smith 18:00:53 06/01/06 (2)
        
        Re: What tone? - Pat D 20:02:43 06/02/06 (1)
        
        Re: What tone? - Ted Smith 20:09:21 06/02/06 (0)
        
        Do you have anything to add, or are you just playing to Clark and Todt? - real_jj 22:31:03 05/28/06 (5)
        
        Oh pardon me, your highness - Dave Pogue 04:31:43 05/29/06 (4)
        
        So, going to cite webster as to what "Warm" and "Transparent" mean, eh? - real_jj 10:56:43 05/29/06 (3)
        
        It is malicious and disingenious to use lay words completely at odds with their normal meaning. But you know that. nt - Norm 12:28:06 05/29/06 (2)
        
        Norm, you win the monthly prize! - E-Stat 15:19:48 05/29/06 (0)
        
        You are ordered to retract your professional accusastion immediately - real_jj 13:38:51 05/29/06 (0)
        
        He the Man! nt - clarkjohnsen 13:06:38 05/28/06 (0)
  - That's not the issue either... - real_jj 12:31:51 05/26/06 (2)
    - Re: That's not the issue either... - Todd Krieger 12:38:14 05/26/06 (1)
      - Line? If somebody likes it, they like it... end of discussion - real_jj 13:22:01 05/26/06 (0)
- dinosaurs were big, lumbering, brutes, yet now scientists say dinosaurs were large, swift, intelligent hunters! - Robert Hamel 10:02:21 05/26/06 (3)
  - Re: dinosaurs were big, lumbering, brutes, yet now scientists say dinosaurs were large, swift, intelligent hunters! - thetubeguy1954 13:31:02 05/26/06 (1)
    - We are poles apart on some of this - Robert Hamel 16:56:17 05/26/06 (0)
  - You don't do group testing.... - real_jj 10:09:16 05/26/06 (0)
- It seems to me that divisiveness is wrong - Ted Smith 09:57:40 05/26/06 (1)
  - I don't think it is those who are disinterested in DBTing that are devisive, but I weary of the debate. nt - Norm 12:30:29 05/26/06 (0)
- If Objectivists were always wrong.............. - Dan Banquer 09:40:13 05/26/06 (11)
  - Taking too much credit. Being an 'Objectivist' is not the same as being a scientist. - Norm 12:25:29 05/26/06 (10)
    - LOL – So you believe scientists use their FEELINGS for proof? - Caymus 13:27:38 05/26/06 (1)
      - No, I think that many subjectivists appreciate the limits of scientific knowledge - Norm 14:51:29 05/26/06 (0)
    - Know any real scientists that aren't objective? nt. - Dan Banquer 12:36:34 05/26/06 (7)
      - I know many who aren't about their wines, guitars, cars, music, violins, and sailboats. - Norm 14:57:24 05/26/06 (6)
        
        Re: I know many who are about their wines, guitars, cars, music, violins, and sailboats. - Dan Banquer 17:13:22 05/26/06 (5)
        
        I have tried many components and many tweaks that don't work. - Norm 20:02:18 05/26/06 (4)
        
        Re: I have tried many components and many tweaks that don't work. - Dan Banquer 05:02:26 05/27/06 (3)
        
        It would be refreshing were there to be posts here that dealt with technical and scientific discussions - Norm 06:34:10 05/27/06 (2)
        
        Re: It would be refreshing were there to be posts here that dealt with technical and scientific discussions - Dan Banquer 06:44:51 05/27/06 (1)
        
        I think you are swimming upstream in a capitalist society to expect no marketing - Norm 08:26:00 05/27/06 (0)
- Did you bother to read anything? - real_jj 09:14:56 05/26/06 (0)
Unproven claim... - mkuller 13:25:53 05/25/06 (62)
- It's really a shame this forum - E-Stat 18:27:46 05/25/06 (52)
  - I agree... - mkuller 11:47:30 05/26/06 (9)
    - Still stalking, I see... - real_jj 12:09:37 05/26/06 (8)
      - Still wallowing, I see... - mkuller 13:27:30 05/26/06 (7)
        
        Re: "Music gives biologists fits." (Just as audio gives physicists fits?) - $orabji! 14:49:09 05/26/06 (3)
        
        Nice try... - mkuller 19:05:02 05/26/06 (2)
        
        Re: Nice try... - $orabji! 22:29:03 05/26/06 (0)
        
        Paranoid much??? - real_jj 22:19:10 05/26/06 (0)
        
        Stop throwing the mud, and it will wash off the rest of us... - real_jj 14:17:22 05/26/06 (2)
        
        Prop Head Quiz #1... - mkuller 20:42:10 05/26/06 (1)
        
        Stalk, stalk, stalk... - real_jj 11:22:49 05/27/06 (0)
  - Re: It's really a shame this forum - kerr 04:39:14 05/26/06 (1)
    - I hope you are young. nt - jneutron 06:34:27 05/26/06 (0)
  - Re: It's really a shame this forum - Dan Banquer 02:28:18 05/26/06 (18)
    - Ever the bitter ex-manufacturer (nt) - E-Stat 03:41:14 05/26/06 (17)
      - Ever the pseudo intellectual - Dan Banquer 04:32:28 05/26/06 (16)
        
        Say, Mr. Personality - E-Stat 12:51:28 05/26/06 (15)
        
        Rather incomplete don't you think? - Dan Banquer 12:59:47 05/26/06 (14)
        
        That is the concept in my own words - E-Stat 13:11:49 05/26/06 (13)
        
        So you don't want to answer the questions I posed to you? - Dan Banquer 13:16:10 05/26/06 (12)
        
        Already have - E-Stat 13:23:55 05/26/06 (11)
        
        When the going gets tough............. - Dan Banquer 17:17:40 05/26/06 (10)
        
        I sounds like he understands negative feedback just fine. [nt] - Ted Smith 17:43:01 05/26/06 (9)
        
        Conceptually, it is similar - E-Stat 20:53:08 05/26/06 (7)
        
        Err. No. - real_jj 22:17:28 05/26/06 (6)
        
        I am referring to the fact that corrective feedback is used in both cases - E-Stat 05:24:59 05/27/06 (5)
        
        Re: I am referring to the fact that corrective feedback is used in both cases - Dan Banquer 07:54:47 05/27/06 (4)
        
        The problem with speed reading - E-Stat 08:10:05 05/27/06 (3)
        
        The problem is the superficiality of your responses. - Dan Banquer 08:33:03 05/27/06 (2)
        
        Well, you forgot to make me aware of that ! - E-Stat 08:44:36 05/27/06 (1)
        
        It was announced in AA. nt - Dan Banquer 08:56:28 05/27/06 (0)
        
        In English yes - Dan Banquer 17:52:01 05/26/06 (0)
  - Re: It's really a shame this forum - Todd Krieger 20:39:35 05/25/06 (0)
  - Re: It's really a shame this forum - Ted Smith 20:20:31 05/25/06 (16)
    - Gah... - real_jj 09:06:18 05/26/06 (4)
      - You said it. - Ted Smith 09:11:46 05/26/06 (3)
        
        ejected, rejected, unselected... - real_jj 09:17:22 05/26/06 (2)
        
        It's even hard to explain over detection to people. - Ted Smith 09:32:22 05/26/06 (1)
        
        GAH^2 - real_jj 10:01:31 05/26/06 (0)
    - Whenever a DBT reveals a sonic difference, the harpies will gather to criticize the protocol, or adjust it. nt - clarkjohnsen 08:44:42 05/26/06 (1)
      - That's been my experience - Ted Smith 08:51:13 05/26/06 (0)
    - Re: It's really a shame this forum - Pat D 21:42:07 05/25/06 (8)
      - Re: It's really a shame this forum - Ted Smith 22:13:14 05/25/06 (7)
        
        Re: It's really a shame this forum - Pat D 08:03:23 05/26/06 (6)
        
        Please don't tell me what my point is. - Ted Smith 08:23:15 05/26/06 (5)
        
        Sorry, but I was telling you what my point was. - Pat D 12:27:56 05/26/06 (4)
        
        I never said anything about amps, etc. - Ted Smith 14:54:36 05/26/06 (3)
        
        It's the same principle. - Pat D 17:38:00 05/26/06 (2)
        
        Re: It's the same principle. - Ted Smith 17:59:18 05/26/06 (1)
        
        Halleluia brother ! -t - E-Stat 05:30:58 05/27/06 (0)
  - I agree completely - Robert Hamel 18:46:54 05/25/06 (2)
    - Re: I agree completely - real_jj 19:15:27 05/25/06 (1)
      - Re: I agree completely - Dan Banquer 04:37:50 05/26/06 (0)
- Once again, you have already seen the evidence - real_jj 13:57:34 05/25/06 (8)
  - Restriction to a single or time limited set of comparative experience(s) cannot fully exercise human differentiation.. - Tom Dawson 19:37:44 05/25/06 (1)
    - Yes, and this matters how? - real_jj 08:53:29 05/26/06 (0)
  - So you finally admit they're unvalidated...(nt) - mkuller 15:38:14 05/25/06 (1)
    - Stop lying.... - real_jj 15:39:22 05/25/06 (0)
  - Re: Once again, you have already seen the evidence - okiemax 15:33:08 05/25/06 (3)
    - The "net" is hardly definitive. - real_jj 15:38:19 05/25/06 (2)
      - Re: The "net" is hardly definitive. - john curl 16:06:01 05/25/06 (1)
        
        Of course, John, you'll never be impressed by a DBT - real_jj 17:13:40 05/25/06 (0)
Unproven Audiophile Claims - real_jj 12:11:14 05/25/06 (36)
- The wise (e.g., Solomonaic) way to resolve this is for you and Geoffkait to go halfies on funding. - Tom Dawson 18:40:12 05/25/06 (1)
  - argumentum ad populum - real_jj 19:21:55 05/25/06 (0)
- Point of Information, jj. - Pat D 14:23:56 05/25/06 (1)
  - "cognate" - real_jj 14:33:07 05/25/06 (0)
- Where and who exactly stated that? (nt) - mkuller 13:18:56 05/25/06 (5)
  - You can't be serious. - real_jj 14:07:00 05/25/06 (4)
    - Go for it. .. - mkuller 15:23:46 05/25/06 (3)
      - Another lie... - real_jj 15:30:04 05/25/06 (2)
        
        You're the liar - show the evidence...(nt) - mkuller 15:36:34 05/25/06 (1)
        
        Been there, done that. - real_jj 15:40:43 05/25/06 (0)
- Why Real JJ No Longer Says Trust, But Rather Proof With DBT's - thetubeguy1954 12:53:14 05/25/06 (13)
  - You're a bad mindreader... - real_jj 12:56:26 05/25/06 (12)
    - Re: You're a bad mindreader... - thetubeguy1954 13:57:09 05/25/06 (11)
      - Apparently you haven't read my CV - real_jj 14:00:49 05/25/06 (10)
        
        He'll be glad to link his CV... - mkuller 15:26:00 05/25/06 (0)
        
        Re: Apparently you haven't read my CV - thetubeguy1954 14:13:29 05/25/06 (8)
        
        How much history do you actually know? - Pat D 14:32:22 05/25/06 (5)
        
        Good point, Pat... - real_jj 14:34:50 05/25/06 (4)
        
        "Good boy", now get down... (patting head) (nt) - mkuller 15:31:09 05/25/06 (3)
        
        I do have my own areas of knowledge, Mike. Don't need jj for them. - Pat D 15:55:35 05/25/06 (0)
        
        What's your problem, stalker? - real_jj 15:34:11 05/25/06 (1)
        
        Yeah, he stalks me sometimes, too. - Pat D 15:47:26 05/25/06 (0)
        
        Here we go, appeal to ignorance, failure to understand the basics of science... - real_jj 14:32:14 05/25/06 (1)
        
        I'm sorry, Tubeguy, I should have warned you that jj will eat you alive! (nt) - Pat D 15:49:56 05/25/06 (0)
- So They're Unproven..... BFD!!!! - Todd Krieger 12:27:27 05/25/06 (11)
  - No evidence, I see? - real_jj 12:40:56 05/25/06 (10)
    - Re: No evidence, I see? - Todd Krieger 12:59:05 05/25/06 (9)
      - Don't lie. - real_jj 13:01:15 05/25/06 (8)
        
        Re: Don't lie. - Todd Krieger 13:16:32 05/25/06 (7)
        
        Now, you change the subject... - real_jj 14:01:53 05/25/06 (0)
        
        Re: Don't lie. - thetubeguy1954 14:00:33 05/25/06 (5)
        
        And that's another lie from you. - real_jj 14:04:01 05/25/06 (4)
        
        Re: And that's another lie from you. - thetubeguy1954 14:18:03 05/25/06 (3)
        
        What a childish response! - Pat D 21:06:24 05/25/06 (1)
        
        Re: What a childish response! - thetubeguy1954 07:35:54 05/31/06 (0)
        
        I never asked you for a cent. - real_jj 14:35:42 05/25/06 (0)
Yep, it's clear, the "subjectivists" here do not trust ONLY their ears... - real_jj 09:11:08 05/25/06 (30)
- Re: Yep, it's clear, the "subjectivists" here do not trust ONLY their ears... - thetubeguy1954 11:39:37 05/25/06 (1)
  - Who's dismissing what? - real_jj 12:00:17 05/25/06 (0)
- Prop Head has been hijacked and turned into jj's soapbox...(nt) - mkuller 10:12:17 05/25/06 (19)
  - As If That's a Problem.... - Todd Krieger 11:27:48 05/25/06 (0)
  - Re: Prop Head has been hijacked and turned into jj's soapbox...(nt) - Dan Banquer 10:21:15 05/25/06 (17)
    - Re: Prop Head has been hijacked and turned into jj's soapbox...(nt) - Todd Krieger 14:25:00 05/25/06 (14)
      - ATTENTION TODD KRIEGER - real_jj 09:07:21 05/26/06 (0)
      - Prop Head has been hijacked and pseudo-science is the problem...... - Rod M 20:03:04 05/25/06 (0)
      - I wouldn't say jj is a fraud... - mkuller 15:22:33 05/25/06 (8)
        
        You just implied as much... - real_jj 15:43:49 05/25/06 (5)
        
        That changes nothing - "most of your work was lossy codecs"...(nt) - mkuller 11:31:40 05/26/06 (4)
        
        So, a list of things that are "lossy codecs" according to you: - real_jj 12:23:03 05/26/06 (3)
        
        "Blind hatred"? - mkuller 13:33:42 05/26/06 (2)
        
        Well, you go out of your way to follow me around... - real_jj 14:18:56 05/26/06 (1)
        
        Who's following who? - mkuller 11:05:24 05/27/06 (0)
        
        It's Only a Matter of Time..... - Todd Krieger 15:43:26 05/25/06 (1)
        
        retract your defamation immediately - real_jj 15:46:00 05/25/06 (0)
      - You are, then, filing that professional complaint? - real_jj 14:37:07 05/25/06 (2)
        
        Re: You are, then, filing that professional complaint? - Todd Krieger 14:50:41 05/25/06 (1)
        
        I require your complete retraction... - real_jj 15:12:44 05/25/06 (0)
    - And your company and contributions? (nt) - mkuller 13:17:12 05/25/06 (1)
      - Re: And your company and contributions? (nt) - Dan Banquer 13:25:43 05/25/06 (0)
- Hee-Hee-Hee-Hee-Hee-Heeeeee!!!!! - Todd Krieger 09:45:20 05/25/06 (3)
  - Why haven't you reported this "BS" then? - real_jj 10:21:50 05/25/06 (2)
    - Because It's Obvious..... - Todd Krieger 11:25:09 05/25/06 (1)
      - S**t or get off the pot, sonny-boy - real_jj 11:55:33 05/25/06 (0)
- Let me paraphrase - Norm 09:31:28 05/25/06 (3)
  - Hey, Norm, ready to formalize that accusation? - real_jj 09:36:07 05/25/06 (2)
    - There you go again Mr. MS executive. nt - Norm 09:53:41 05/25/06 (1)
      - Not an executive, fella... - real_jj 10:20:40 05/25/06 (0)
Err, why does anything you say matter in the context of DBT's and their applications? - thetubeguy1954 08:52:15 05/25/06 (34)
- Is there any reason to believe Real JJ is anything but a flake? - Norm 09:14:44 05/25/06 (8)
  - Many, if not most of us, know JJ - Ted Smith 09:57:04 05/25/06 (5)
    - Well,, few people call me a fraud to my face, - real_jj 10:16:41 05/25/06 (3)
      - Re: Well,, few people call me a fraud to my face, - Todd Krieger 13:18:06 05/25/06 (1)
        
        Don't lie. - real_jj 14:05:37 05/25/06 (0)
      - I entirely agree. nt - Norm 12:15:39 05/25/06 (0)
    - I will take your word for it, Ted nt - Norm 09:59:42 05/25/06 (0)
  - Lame, Norm, you just admitted to some truly astonishing negligence. - real_jj 09:33:37 05/25/06 (1)
    - Thank God nt - Norm 09:56:22 05/25/06 (0)
- Are you on pain medication, by any chance... - real_jj 09:08:16 05/25/06 (24)
  - Does anyone know what this means or why anyone would say it? - Norm 09:21:44 05/25/06 (23)
    - You surely don't... - real_jj 09:30:59 05/25/06 (22)
      - Re: You surely don't... - thetubeguy1954 11:37:46 05/25/06 (1)
        
        I wonder if you're even reading what I write... - real_jj 11:57:24 05/25/06 (0)
      - Logic isn't a strong point here! (nt) - Pat D 09:52:16 05/25/06 (0)
      - Still no logic to this. - Norm 09:52:05 05/25/06 (18)
        
        Re: Still no logic to this. - andy19191 12:10:03 05/25/06 (6)
        
        I know how experimental psychology uses this methodology - Norm 12:27:06 05/25/06 (5)
        
        Re: I know how experimental psychology uses this methodology - andy19191 15:15:28 05/25/06 (3)
        
        I assume the hypothesis is always which component sounds better - Norm 16:04:57 05/25/06 (2)
        
        Re: I assume the hypothesis is always which component sounds better - andy19191 23:12:14 05/25/06 (0)
        
        There can be different kinds of hypotheses - real_jj 17:15:28 05/25/06 (0)
        
        Well, actually, Norm, there is lots of evidence as to what DBT's capture - real_jj 12:45:20 05/25/06 (0)
        
        Norm says "invalid methodology" - real_jj 10:17:24 05/25/06 (2)
        
        This will be my last posting in response to you as the discussion is entirely unproductive of learning anything - Norm 12:33:09 05/25/06 (1)
        
        "prove this without using logic" - real_jj 12:59:11 05/25/06 (0)
        
        Ever read anything about basic logic? - Pat D 09:55:18 05/25/06 (7)
        
        I used to teach logic nt - Norm 09:58:12 05/25/06 (6)
        
        It doesn't show! (nt) - Pat D 14:07:14 05/25/06 (0)
        
        Really? - real_jj 10:23:04 05/25/06 (4)
        
        Of course I am judging your logic. nt - Norm 12:18:33 05/25/06 (3)
        
        Then you'd better file that professional complaint... - real_jj 12:46:10 05/25/06 (2)
        
        I would rather just ignore you as demented. nt - Norm 16:07:51 05/25/06 (1)
        
        Sorry, not an option, really... - real_jj 17:16:22 05/25/06 (0)
Minireview - Good Night and Good Luck - jbmcb 22:20:01 05/24/06 (0)
Standing waves in speaker enclosures - KlausR. 01:25:22 05/24/06 (9)
- Re: Standing waves in speaker enclosures - chris_w 12:47:32 05/25/06 (0)
- Long Reply - Jon Risch 21:53:41 05/24/06 (0)
- It all depends on design. - cheap-Jack 08:50:33 05/24/06 (0)
- Internal standing waves - real_jj 07:47:12 05/24/06 (0)
- Do you know how to determine the panel resonances?? - Robert Hamel 07:21:59 05/24/06 (4)
  - Re: Do you know how to determine the panel resonances?? - jneutron 13:08:21 05/24/06 (2)
    - Is the cabinet spiked on the concrete floor? - cheap-Jack 13:53:01 05/24/06 (1)
      - No. It was on casters - jneutron 06:16:37 05/25/06 (0)
  - Consider - real_jj 07:45:59 05/24/06 (0)
Proposal for Machina Dynamica Clever Little Clock - musman 14:27:44 05/23/06 (6)
- Yes, I went through a clock fantasy ... - cheap-Jack 08:17:55 05/24/06 (0)
- Re: I'll save you guys the trouble and expense; here's what's inside - geoffkait 04:19:58 05/24/06 (1)
  - Please! We do not want to see personal photos of yourself - musman 08:09:29 05/24/06 (0)
- Re: Proposal for Machina Dynamica Clever Little Clock - May Belt 02:19:00 05/24/06 (1)
  - Not quite - jbmcb 07:24:41 05/24/06 (0)
- Better idea, fund your own fantasies. - soulfood 15:23:44 05/23/06 (0)
For anyone interested in the DBT protocol jj uses - E-Stat 07:53:22 05/23/06 (42)
- Perhaps you should read it a bit more, eh? - real_jj 09:27:31 05/23/06 (41)
  - Why should we be bothered by so called "science". - cheap-Jack 09:27:33 05/24/06 (1)
    - Could you restate that in a fashion that is a bit more comprehensible? - real_jj 14:32:39 05/24/06 (0)
  - Oops, that didn't work - E-Stat 10:37:55 05/23/06 (38)
    - Interesting... - real_jj 10:46:33 05/23/06 (37)
      - Re: Interesting... - Todd Krieger 11:25:39 05/23/06 (5)
        
        Don't lie... - real_jj 20:17:45 05/23/06 (4)
        
        Your "Professionalism" Isn't Sacred..... - Todd Krieger 22:19:07 05/23/06 (3)
        
        And for you, neither is the truth, apparently... - real_jj 07:39:43 05/24/06 (2)
        
        Actions Speak Louder Than Words..... - Todd Krieger 12:39:03 05/24/06 (1)
        
        Indeed, actions do, and I refuse to violate a copyright - real_jj 13:37:44 05/24/06 (0)
      - Well... - E-Stat 11:06:10 05/23/06 (30)
        
        Obviously... - mkuller 14:15:00 05/23/06 (22)
        
        Show your evidence, mkuller - real_jj 20:32:38 05/23/06 (6)
        
        Then show us evidence... - mkuller 09:29:04 05/24/06 (5)
        
        Done already. Do not lie about the past. - real_jj 09:53:38 05/24/06 (4)
        
        No evidence - same as before...(nt) - mkuller 11:17:27 05/24/06 (3)
        
        Already do, do not lie about the past - real_jj 08:49:17 05/25/06 (2)
        
        Once and for all - show your evidence... - mkuller 10:16:55 05/25/06 (1)
        
        Been there, done that. - real_jj 10:19:17 05/25/06 (0)
        
        I don't think the motivation is that sinister... - E-Stat 14:28:01 05/23/06 (14)
        
        For your information... - real_jj 20:09:39 05/23/06 (10)
        
        Thank you - E-Stat 05:25:40 05/24/06 (9)
        
        Um, the java sound library isn't a DAC - real_jj 07:40:49 05/24/06 (8)
        
        Duh - E-Stat 08:23:43 05/24/06 (7)
        
        Use what you like... - real_jj 09:56:12 05/24/06 (6)
        
        Perhaps you misunderstand - E-Stat 10:08:36 05/24/06 (5)
        
        You are aware that there are external DAC's for computers, yes? - real_jj 13:39:01 05/24/06 (4)
        
        I was not, but... - E-Stat 14:02:10 05/24/06 (3)
        
        Lots of choices - Ted Smith 23:13:24 05/24/06 (0)
        
        It occurs to me, I know of one published configuration I can talk about... - real_jj 14:35:53 05/24/06 (0)
        
        Hard to say... - real_jj 14:10:55 05/24/06 (0)
        
        Crazy is more like it... - mkuller 14:41:00 05/23/06 (2)
        
        Again, you ask that I violate copyright - real_jj 20:07:54 05/23/06 (1)
        
        Talk about perverse... - mkuller 09:33:22 05/24/06 (0)
        
        There are NO nonstandards references left in it? - real_jj 11:49:53 05/23/06 (6)
        
        I just emailed you the docs from the ITU - E-Stat 12:19:06 05/23/06 (5)
        
        Unh... - real_jj 12:54:25 05/23/06 (4)
        
        Well, bollocks... - real_jj 13:05:41 05/23/06 (1)
        
        at www.aes.org in the electronic library - real_jj 13:15:15 05/23/06 (0)
        
        Didn't you say you collaborated on the darn thing? (nt) - E-Stat 12:56:44 05/23/06 (1)
        
        Yeah, but it doesn't mean I can copy it at will... - real_jj 13:06:21 05/23/06 (0)
Question On Surge Protectors And Such - Lynn 19:21:43 05/22/06 (4)
- Complicated issue - real_jj 09:35:25 05/23/06 (1)
  - Great info as usual. Thanks JJ. - Lynn 19:01:10 05/23/06 (0)
- Re: Question On Surge Protectors And Such - J.Rankin 08:16:29 05/23/06 (0)
- last two points - clifff 08:01:14 05/23/06 (0)
Pennypinching audiophiles and professional accusations... - real_jj 09:54:41 05/22/06 (69)
- I think the "pay for it" issue is a red herring. - Norm 06:21:21 05/23/06 (13)
  - No, that's not what I said, liar... - real_jj 09:21:29 05/23/06 (12)
    - Sorry, Charlie, you are wrong - Norm 11:05:59 05/23/06 (11)
      - Then I guess you'd better file that formal accusation. - real_jj 11:53:02 05/23/06 (10)
        
        There you go again, honey. - Norm 13:01:55 05/23/06 (9)
        
        Indeed, which is not what you accused me of, either... - real_jj 13:07:21 05/23/06 (8)
        
        What is the filing crap that you are babbling about? - Norm 20:24:09 05/23/06 (7)
        
        You accused me of professional misconduct - real_jj 20:33:48 05/23/06 (6)
        
        I am accusing you of needing professional attention. nt - Norm 05:55:18 05/24/06 (5)
        
        Please show your expertise in such matters, then... - real_jj 09:56:58 05/24/06 (4)
        
        I think you would have to seek a psychiatrist for that, not me. nt - Norm 11:49:06 05/24/06 (3)
        
        Yet you make a diagnosis. You are a quack... - real_jj 13:39:49 05/24/06 (2)
        
        I think that you have said enough that everyone knows the diagnosis. nt - Norm 16:17:43 05/24/06 (1)
        
        appeal ad-argumentum, now, eh? - real_jj 20:29:57 05/24/06 (0)
- So what? - Don T 21:57:55 05/22/06 (15)
  - What? - soulfood 13:14:41 05/23/06 (14)
    - Not quite - Don T 17:11:55 05/23/06 (13)
      - Fresh spin. - soulfood 19:58:57 05/23/06 (12)
        
        Re: Fresh spin. - Don T 21:34:40 05/23/06 (11)
        
        Re: Fresh spin. - soulfood 09:09:54 05/24/06 (10)
        
        That's not what I said. - Don T 20:04:52 05/24/06 (9)
        
        In retrospect, I shouldn't have expected you to man up to it. - soulfood 08:04:38 05/25/06 (8)
        
        Seems to me that Don_T is saying something reasonable - real_jj 08:51:15 05/25/06 (7)
        
        Stereo is here to stay! - soulfood 11:40:44 05/25/06 (6)
        
        You did read the discussion that's now on the second page, didn't you? - real_jj 12:47:26 05/25/06 (5)
        
        Can't say for sure. Did I inadvertently challenge your credentials? (nt) - soulfood 13:39:24 05/25/06 (4)
        
        I guess you don't want to talk about real audio issues... - real_jj 15:35:21 05/25/06 (3)
        
        The presumption being, you embody "real audio issues". - soulfood 17:18:53 05/25/06 (2)
        
        No, it was to point out that you were willfully preventing audio discussions.... - real_jj 19:17:37 05/25/06 (1)
        
        You're reaffirming my previous post. (nt) - soulfood 19:47:56 05/25/06 (0)
- Never thought I'd miss Silver Eared John - Dave Pogue 17:20:13 05/22/06 (11)
  - Whatever happened to Mr. Ears? - Bruce Kendall 18:21:27 05/22/06 (10)
    - Now you've done it! - E-Stat 11:24:16 05/23/06 (3)
      - Well, shucks, there, stats... - Silver Eared John 13:38:21 05/23/06 (2)
        
        Come back, SEJ--you're more fun than jj. (nt) - Pat D 15:45:38 05/25/06 (1)
        
        Well, gollleeeeee - Silver Eared John 19:18:54 05/25/06 (0)
    - ah shore think he got done tuckered out - tunenut 09:22:36 05/23/06 (1)
      - Well, shucks, y'all. - Silver Eared John 09:36:37 05/23/06 (0)
    - Re: Whatever happened to Mr. Ears? - Dave Pogue 04:11:41 05/23/06 (0)
    - You have something constructive to say, then? - real_jj 20:50:15 05/22/06 (2)
      - Are you always this cheerful? - Bruce Kendall 11:09:35 05/23/06 (1)
        
        Well, actually, I'm usually a lot more cheerful - real_jj 11:54:14 05/23/06 (0)
- Say, Mr. Science - E-Stat 16:48:37 05/22/06 (4)
  - Did the term ITU pass you by? - real_jj 20:37:25 05/22/06 (0)
  - Hence the"BS" preface? - Bruce Kendall 18:22:51 05/22/06 (2)
    - Now you can stop those kinds of criminal accusations NOW - real_jj 20:45:58 05/22/06 (1)
      - Don't haul off and get your DBT - Bruce Kendall 10:32:44 05/23/06 (0)
- LOL...unprofessional accusations.. - mkuller 12:55:48 05/22/06 (16)
  - Re: LOL...unprofessional accusations.. - thetubeguy1954 14:11:45 05/22/06 (1)
    - Err, why does anything you say matter in the context of DBT's and their applications? - real_jj 14:38:56 05/22/06 (0)
  - Then I suggest you file a formal complaint - real_jj 13:56:44 05/22/06 (6)
    - Hypocrisy..... - Todd Krieger 21:50:27 05/22/06 (5)
      - Stuff and nonsense... You can join the written complaint... - real_jj 09:19:30 05/23/06 (4)
        
        Nah, Don't Need To.... - Todd Krieger 09:31:18 05/23/06 (3)
        
        Well, then, get writing... you need all you can get - real_jj 10:02:44 05/23/06 (2)
        
        "You Made the Accusation...." - Todd Krieger 10:30:45 05/23/06 (1)
        
        Then you had better file the formal complaint... - real_jj 10:47:39 05/23/06 (0)
  - Ask a simple question... - E-Stat 13:10:49 05/22/06 (6)
    - See my reply to mkuller. - real_jj 13:57:13 05/22/06 (5)
      - Filing a complaint? :) - E-Stat 14:10:56 05/22/06 (4)
        
        You made the claim - real_jj 14:36:04 05/22/06 (3)
        
        I'm just dying to know - E-Stat 14:50:35 05/22/06 (2)
        
        Read your own words... - real_jj 15:44:50 05/22/06 (1)
        
        Ditto - E-Stat 16:04:44 05/22/06 (0)
- Re: Pennypinching audiophiles and professional accusations... - Dan Banquer 11:21:17 05/22/06 (0)
- Pennypinching audiophiles and professional accusations... - thetubeguy1954 10:36:11 05/22/06 (3)
  - Try again... - real_jj 11:17:43 05/22/06 (2)
    - I Disagree - thetubeguy1954 12:27:37 05/22/06 (1)
      - So, you demand that I violate the ITU's copyright. - real_jj 14:40:13 05/22/06 (0)
It is now firmly established. "Subjectivists" (here) do not trust only their ears. - real_jj 08:01:52 05/22/06 (23)
- What a laugher! - Don T 00:00:45 05/23/06 (2)
  - Um, don, you don't need to use them... - real_jj 10:06:50 05/23/06 (1)
    - How can knowing the result of a DBT be useful unless you participated in it? - Don T 17:20:31 05/23/06 (0)
- It is now firmly established. "Objectivists" do not trust their ears. - thetubeguy1954 10:09:14 05/22/06 (9)
  - Ok, you accuse me of puffery, etc... - real_jj 11:15:14 05/22/06 (2)
    - Re: Ok, you accuse me of puffery, etc... - thetubeguy1954 13:24:35 05/22/06 (1)
      - So, you have nothing, you just shoot off your mouth - real_jj 15:52:14 05/22/06 (0)
  - trust, differences........What happened to the music in all this? - Tre' 11:10:12 05/22/06 (3)
    - Re: trust, differences........What happened to the music in all this? - Dan Banquer 12:11:52 05/22/06 (0)
    - Good question... - real_jj 11:18:36 05/22/06 (1)
      - Re: Good question... - Tre' 11:58:38 05/22/06 (0)
  - real_jj was simply pointing out that DBT's remove extraneous factors... - Wellfed 10:36:24 05/22/06 (1)
    - This is precisely correct... - real_jj 10:03:24 05/23/06 (0)
- Re: It is now firmly established. "Subjectivists" (here) do not trust only their ears. - okiemax 09:40:10 05/22/06 (3)
  - (s)He who makes the claim gets to prove it - real_jj 09:58:11 05/22/06 (2)
    - Re: (s)He who makes the claim gets to prove it - okiemax 10:52:47 05/22/06 (1)
      - Indeed.... - real_jj 09:30:44 05/23/06 (0)
- Unfortunately the name calling comes from both camps... - Wellfed 09:03:53 05/22/06 (5)
  - Well, Wellfed, you know.... - real_jj 09:13:22 05/22/06 (4)
    - Yes, the rabid should be held to a higher standard... - Wellfed 09:36:16 05/22/06 (3)
      - )*(_)*( good question, that. - real_jj 09:56:21 05/22/06 (2)
        
        It's an interesting world out there... - Wellfed 10:28:22 05/22/06 (1)
        
        Agreed... - real_jj 11:22:55 05/22/06 (0)
Is there the counterpart to DBTesting on video postings? If not, why not? - Norm 11:00:41 05/21/06 (11)
- Yes, actually... - real_jj 12:52:54 05/21/06 (5)
  - Why stills? Is this done by any of the mags? nt - Norm 13:35:39 05/21/06 (4)
    - who mentioned magazines? - real_jj 19:18:19 05/21/06 (3)
      - I am not arguing, but if the postings and magazines in video don't have this division, I wonder why? nt - Norm 20:28:48 05/21/06 (2)
        
        A better analogy are Nutritional and Alternative Medicine discussions - Caymus 19:52:16 05/22/06 (0)
        
        That's a good question... - real_jj 07:58:55 05/22/06 (0)
- Video measurements... - mkuller 11:27:06 05/21/06 (4)
  - also do you not get the argument that "I can see no difference, therefore the more expensive is a scam?" nt - Norm 13:45:17 05/21/06 (1)
    - Two dimensional images on a flat panel is a revered scam of acceptance. (nt) - soulfood 20:22:50 05/21/06 (0)
  - Again we have the idea of whether measurements correlate with what we subjectively hear. - Norm 13:43:11 05/21/06 (1)
    - Well... - real_jj 19:21:27 05/21/06 (0)
MY ANTI-OBJECTIVISTS BIAS, PART 1 - okiemax 07:25:54 05/21/06 (12)
- ANTI-OBJECTIVISTS BIAS? - Don T 00:12:37 05/23/06 (2)
  - Re: ANTI-OBJECTIVISTS BIAS? - okiemax 11:52:45 05/24/06 (1)
    - I think the pure objectivist exists simply because some people aspire to be hemorroids - Don T 20:25:26 05/24/06 (0)
- Never Had a Real Problem with Stereo Review..... - Todd Krieger 00:31:15 05/22/06 (0)
- more of the picture - tomservo 13:08:45 05/21/06 (0)
- The audio dialectic - Al Sekela 11:10:47 05/21/06 (0)
- AKA, a subjectivist's crusade? - soulfood 10:45:25 05/21/06 (0)
- You haven't been mislead - Lambda 08:04:51 05/21/06 (4)
  - three serious questions - Tre' 18:04:35 05/21/06 (3)
    - Re: three serious questions - Lambda 06:13:23 05/22/06 (2)
      - Re: three serious questions - Tre' 09:50:03 05/22/06 (1)
        
        Re: three serious questions - Lambda 12:16:58 05/22/06 (0)
Pictures in the freezer, one question - KlausR. 08:41:59 05/20/06 (3)
- Re: Pictures in the freezer, one question - May Belt 09:17:11 05/22/06 (2)
  - Re: Pictures in the freezer, one question - KlausR. 10:43:34 05/22/06 (1)
    - Re: Pictures in the freezer, one question - May Belt 11:55:17 05/22/06 (0)
A DBT at 55 MPH - tomservo 14:31:36 05/19/06 (9)
- If your human perception is different from the actual measured speed... - Caymus 11:06:27 05/20/06 (3)
  - But speed is only a mathematical model - Russ57 12:47:23 05/20/06 (2)
    - Traffic cops don’t need radar measurements to give speeding tickets - Caymus 15:25:34 05/20/06 (1)
      - Now there's a good application of science. [nt] - Wellfed 10:38:40 05/22/06 (0)
- Covering up the speedometer masks small differences that we know to be perceptible (NT) - andy_c 15:25:55 05/19/06 (4)
  - By jove, I think he's got it...(nt) - mkuller 11:44:47 05/20/06 (2)
    - Excuses, excuses... - real_jj 19:25:12 05/21/06 (1)
      - He was just joining in with the humor I think - andy_c 15:12:43 05/22/06 (0)
  - ROFL (nt) - Pat D 15:51:48 05/19/06 (0)
For Pat D - thetubeguy1954 12:12:54 05/19/06 (0)
Helpful Hints for Debunkers - geoffkait 05:44:41 05/19/06 (34)
- Helpful Hints for non-Debunkers - tunenut 09:06:22 05/22/06 (0)
- figures.... - real_jj 13:01:03 05/21/06 (12)
  - Re: UFOs? - geoffkait 03:05:04 05/22/06 (11)
    - How mature of you... - real_jj 09:37:16 05/22/06 (10)
      - Re: I never claimed to be mature - geoffkait 09:54:51 05/22/06 (9)
        
        Let's see your evidence, then... - real_jj 10:00:25 05/22/06 (8)
        
        Re: More bluster from - geoffkait 15:52:02 05/22/06 (7)
        
        So, you don't trust your ears, is that it? - real_jj 15:53:41 05/22/06 (6)
        
        Re: So, when did you stop beating your wife? nt - geoffkait 16:46:57 05/22/06 (5)
        
        Where's the evidence for your claim of how the IC works? - real_jj 20:48:45 05/22/06 (4)
        
        Re: zzzzzzzzzzzzzz .... - geoffkait 03:04:21 05/23/06 (3)
        
        Ok, you don't have any, then? - real_jj 09:25:06 05/23/06 (2)
        
        Re: Prove it. nt - geoffkait 10:18:19 05/23/06 (1)
        
        I don't have to prove anything, you do... - real_jj 11:55:55 05/23/06 (0)
- Hey - aren't you the guy selling $100 magic rocks and mysterious time-traveling clocks? - Caymus 12:26:55 05/19/06 (11)
  - Read before you write. nt - Norm 12:36:43 05/19/06 (10)
    - Think when you read. nt. - Lynn 18:45:46 05/19/06 (9)
      - Re: Watch out, it's the - geoffkait 06:14:34 05/20/06 (8)
        
        Are you referring to this? - Caymus 09:25:13 05/20/06 (7)
        
        Re: Glad to see - geoffkait 12:10:41 05/20/06 (6)
        
        Re: Glad to see - morricab 17:10:07 05/20/06 (1)
        
        Re: Hey, this game looks familiar - geoffkait 18:22:04 05/20/06 (0)
        
        How do you debunk that Nigerian Prince’s $6.5M offer as a scam? - Caymus 13:09:16 05/20/06 (3)
        
        Re: That's easy - geoffkait 14:28:24 05/20/06 (2)
        
        "Strawman" – is that your nickname? - Caymus 14:58:50 05/20/06 (1)
        
        Re: Good one. Is this one yours?... - geoffkait 09:27:40 05/21/06 (0)
- Always a good read. nt - clarkjohnsen 08:56:48 05/19/06 (0)
- LOL! So that's where you get your tactics! (nt) - Pat D 07:18:43 05/19/06 (2)
  - Re: My suggestion is - geoffkait 11:30:45 05/19/06 (1)
    - Re: My suggestion is - Pat D 13:36:24 05/19/06 (0)
- Thanks Geoff but... - KlausR. 06:32:19 05/19/06 (3)
  - "...there's now a chip that doesn't lose its magic power after X "treatments"." There goes the profit margin. - Tom Dawson 11:10:08 05/19/06 (2)
    - Darn, and I was getting ready to market my chip recharger. nt. - Lynn 18:44:53 05/19/06 (1)
      - Careful I will have you for Patent Violation -nt - chris_w 06:52:44 05/20/06 (0)
The Problem With DBT's, ABX's & "Measured Performance" - thetubeguy1954 08:05:36 05/18/06 (51)
- Some things are easily measured. Some things are not. - Presto 22:36:52 05/19/06 (0)
- Sorry, dude, study the auditory system... - real_jj 00:46:40 05/19/06 (6)
  - Re: Sorry, dude, study the auditory system... - okiemax 22:09:19 05/20/06 (4)
    - Here's an example how sight clearly overrides what you hear - Caymus 12:42:31 05/21/06 (1)
      - Re: Here's an example how sight clearly overrides what you hear - okiemax 22:37:16 05/21/06 (0)
    - Speech wouldn’t work if your brain didn’t have that amazing ability to invent sounds - Caymus 12:26:42 05/21/06 (1)
      - Re: Speech wouldn’t work if your brain didn’t have that amazing ability to invent sounds - okiemax 23:50:01 05/21/06 (0)
  - Re: Sorry, dude, study the auditory system... - thetubeguy1954 08:11:01 05/19/06 (0)
- There's Nothing Wrong with DBTs, ABXs, and Measured Performance...... - Todd Krieger 16:45:59 05/18/06 (19)
  - And they *still* haven't provided funding for the tests they *demand*. nt - clarkjohnsen 08:59:02 05/19/06 (18)
    - More misunderstanding . . . - Pat D 10:24:36 05/19/06 (17)
      - Re: More misunderstanding . . . - Todd Krieger 15:36:16 05/19/06 (15)
        
        And more denial . - real_jj 07:42:52 05/22/06 (4)
        
        Re: And more denial . - Todd Krieger 13:09:47 05/22/06 (3)
        
        They why did you insinuate that they were? - real_jj 14:41:19 05/22/06 (2)
        
        I Didn't Insinuate That...... - Todd Krieger 18:27:04 05/22/06 (1)
        
        Oh, you deny you said those words in that context, then? - real_jj 20:49:37 05/22/06 (0)
        
        Asynchronous upsampling - real_jj 07:41:45 05/22/06 (5)
        
        Re: Asynchronous upsampling - Todd Krieger 12:55:03 05/22/06 (4)
        
        No problem at all, done right. - real_jj 14:42:35 05/22/06 (3)
        
        But... - Ted Smith 21:49:50 05/23/06 (2)
        
        Actually, no... - real_jj 19:20:23 05/25/06 (1)
        
        Read their specs more closely and then see if you agree with me - Ted Smith 19:47:57 05/25/06 (0)
        
        Re: More misunderstanding . . . - andy_c 15:06:29 05/21/06 (0)
        
        Hallelujah! - kerr 15:20:29 05/20/06 (0)
        
        Yeah! That's givin' it to the DBT prigs. nt - clarkjohnsen 09:23:22 05/20/06 (0)
        
        Re: More misunderstanding . . . - Pat D 15:43:20 05/19/06 (0)
      - Back to my point -- would you prefer to wire the funds, or send a check? Remember, it's all for you. nt - clarkjohnsen 10:32:10 05/19/06 (0)
- Re: The Problem With DBT's, ABX's & "Measured Performance" - tomservo 09:01:27 05/18/06 (2)
  - "You often have an agenda." Right! Myself, I always want the cheaper stuff to win. nt - clarkjohnsen 12:31:16 05/18/06 (1)
    - According to the DBTers - it does win in a tie...(nt) - mkuller 14:36:12 05/18/06 (0)
- Wrong problem - KlausR. 08:32:44 05/18/06 (19)
  - It must be galling - Norm 17:49:23 05/18/06 (2)
    - Galling, not quite! - KlausR. 21:35:35 05/18/06 (1)
      - I had a few know-it-all colleagues myself - Dave Pogue 04:37:16 05/19/06 (0)
  - Same Problem Different Words - thetubeguy1954 08:54:12 05/18/06 (15)
    - Same Problem Different Words: NO - KlausR. 09:35:15 05/18/06 (0)
    - Re: Same Problem Different Words - Pat D 09:20:56 05/18/06 (13)
      - Re: Same Problem Different Words - thetubeguy1954 11:07:29 05/18/06 (12)
        
        Re: Same Problem Different Words - Pat D 13:14:46 05/18/06 (11)
        
        Re: Same Problem Different Words - thetubeguy1954 14:26:02 05/18/06 (10)
        
        "I know that NOTHING I do will ever be sufficient for you." Yep. They keep... - clarkjohnsen 09:01:27 05/19/06 (0)
        
        Re: Same Problem Different Words - Pat D 14:53:29 05/18/06 (8)
        
        Re: Same Problem Different Words - thetubeguy1954 06:13:03 05/19/06 (7)
        
        Unfair! They have no such proof and you know it. nt - clarkjohnsen 09:02:57 05/19/06 (6)
        
        We want proof of differences . . . - Pat D 10:27:07 05/19/06 (5)
        
        Re: We want proof of differences . . . - thetubeguy1954 12:55:39 05/19/06 (4)
        
        It's all been said here before. - Pat D 15:40:10 05/19/06 (3)
        
        It's all been said here before and refuted. - thetubeguy1954 08:08:22 05/22/06 (2)
        
        Sorry, if you're going to claim something, you're obliged to study the subject first - real_jj 10:00:10 05/24/06 (0)
        
        Answers aren't always refutations. - Pat D 07:28:20 05/23/06 (0)
How important is the range below, say, 40 Hz? - KlausR. 02:45:55 05/18/06 (16)
- 40Hz, 41Hz, or whatever it takes. - tomservo 10:37:55 05/18/06 (1)
  - Lowest note on a grand piano is 37Hz -- and I like your analysis. nt - clarkjohnsen 12:29:21 05/18/06 (0)
- If sub frequencies are important to you, I respect that. - soulfood 08:46:45 05/18/06 (5)
  - This is not an issue of perosnal preference. - cheap-Jack 13:38:32 05/18/06 (0)
  - What does hifi and automobiles have in common? - KlausR. 09:59:49 05/18/06 (3)
    - Consumer goods built to a price for various markets. - soulfood 15:19:03 05/18/06 (2)
      - Re: Consumer goods built to a price for various markets. - KlausR. 21:26:12 05/18/06 (1)
        
        "Requirements of faithfulness", is taking vague to new heights. - soulfood 07:57:15 05/19/06 (0)
- There is very little signal down there... - real_jj 03:07:55 05/18/06 (7)
  - Are you sure? - cheap-Jack 09:04:19 05/18/06 (6)
    - Quite... - real_jj 01:02:39 05/19/06 (5)
      - Re: "Music gives biologists fits." (Just as audio gives physicists fits?) - $orabji! 02:35:19 05/19/06 (4)
        
        Hmm... - real_jj 03:16:50 05/19/06 (3)
        
        Re: "Music gives biologists fits." (Just as audio gives physicists fits?) - $orabji! 04:03:47 05/19/06 (2)
        
        Oh, cool... - real_jj 04:47:52 05/19/06 (1)
        
        Re: "Music gives biologists fits." (Just as audio gives physicists fits?) - $orabji! 15:35:31 05/19/06 (0)
ONLY THOSE WHO USE DBT'S TRULY TRUST THEIR EARS - real_jj 03:18:52 05/17/06 (168)
- The problem is your ears are attached to a brain. - tomservo 08:59:38 05/18/06 (4)
  - Excellent post. Thank you. nt. - Lynn 19:37:53 05/18/06 (0)
  - Right. So the only defensible DBT would have solitary subjects - Al Sekela 14:38:27 05/18/06 (1)
    - Absolutely! - real_jj 00:49:54 05/19/06 (0)
  - Some are...some only have EARS...(nt) - mkuller 11:21:35 05/18/06 (0)
- Re: ONLY THOSE WHO USE DBT'S TRULY TRUST THEIR EARS - Paulhoff 05:53:13 05/18/06 (25)
  - Re: ONLY THOSE WHO USE DBT'S TRULY TRUST THEIR EARS - kerr 07:07:13 05/18/06 (24)
    - Re: ONLY THOSE WHO USE DBT'S TRULY TRUST THEIR EARS - Paulhoff 12:42:03 05/18/06 (23)
      - Re: ONLY THOSE WHO USE DBT'S TRULY TRUST THEIR EARS - kerr 14:30:39 05/18/06 (14)
        
        Re: ONLY THOSE WHO USE DBT'S TRULY TRUST THEIR EARS - andy19191 00:50:34 05/19/06 (13)
        
        Re: ONLY THOSE WHO USE DBT'S TRULY TRUST THEIR EARS - Paulhoff 06:16:36 05/19/06 (1)
        
        Re: ONLY THOSE WHO USE DBT'S TRULY TRUST THEIR EARS - andy19191 07:06:41 05/19/06 (0)
        
        Re: ONLY THOSE WHO USE DBT'S TRULY TRUST THEIR EARS - kerr 04:50:51 05/19/06 (10)
        
        Re: ONLY THOSE WHO USE DBT'S TRULY TRUST THEIR EARS - andy19191 06:03:19 05/19/06 (9)
        
        Re: ONLY THOSE WHO USE DBT'S TRULY TRUST THEIR EARS - kerr 09:14:56 05/19/06 (8)
        
        Re: ONLY THOSE WHO USE DBT'S TRULY TRUST THEIR EARS - andy19191 12:52:53 05/19/06 (7)
        
        Why that could be. - kerr 13:45:09 05/19/06 (6)
        
        Re: Why that could be. - andy19191 01:00:20 05/20/06 (5)
        
        Re: Why that could be. - kerr 07:09:51 05/20/06 (3)
        
        Re: Why that could be. - andy19191 02:48:44 05/21/06 (2)
        
        Re: Why that could be. - kerr 06:02:00 05/21/06 (1)
        
        Re: Why that could be. - andy19191 04:41:13 05/22/06 (0)
        
        Re: Excellent, someone has taken Zen - geoffkait 02:43:13 05/20/06 (0)
      - Re: ONLY THOSE WHO USE DBT'S TRULY TRUST THEIR EARS - andy19191 13:16:09 05/18/06 (7)
        
        Re: ONLY THOSE WHO USE DBT'S TRULY TRUST THEIR EARS - Paulhoff 16:54:57 05/18/06 (5)
        
        Re: ONLY THOSE WHO USE DBT'S TRULY TRUST THEIR EARS - andy19191 00:30:26 05/19/06 (4)
        
        Re: ONLY THOSE WHO USE DBT'S TRULY TRUST THEIR EARS - kerr 04:53:46 05/19/06 (3)
        
        Re: ONLY THOSE WHO USE DBT'S TRULY TRUST THEIR EARS - andy19191 06:57:45 05/19/06 (1)
        
        Re: ONLY THOSE WHO USE DBT'S TRULY TRUST THEIR EARS - kerr 09:11:13 05/19/06 (0)
        
        Re: ONLY THOSE WHO USE DBT'S TRULY TRUST THEIR EARS - Paulhoff 06:20:17 05/19/06 (0)
        
        Sorry - I should have just let you respond (nt) - kerr 14:31:46 05/18/06 (0)
- Funny! - kerr 17:13:43 05/17/06 (0)
- Would you care to share your DBT methodology with us? - E-Stat 16:43:42 05/17/06 (51)
  - Google BS1116.1 - real_jj 00:30:37 05/18/06 (18)
    - Description easy to find - E-Stat 05:27:45 05/18/06 (17)
      - I know an english version exists, I've read it. - real_jj 00:51:56 05/19/06 (16)
        
        For a "nominal fee" of course :) (nt) - E-Stat 07:14:17 05/19/06 (15)
        
        Maybe after he reveals his secret German DBT methodology... - mkuller 13:04:18 05/20/06 (14)
        
        Inquiring minds want to know! (nt) - E-Stat 17:00:56 05/20/06 (13)
        
        Pathetic, both of you - real_jj 13:03:10 05/21/06 (12)
        
        My mistake - E-Stat 20:28:22 05/21/06 (11)
        
        Please show evidence for your professional accusation - real_jj 07:46:05 05/22/06 (10)
        
        Oh brother... - E-Stat 10:30:41 05/22/06 (7)
        
        You going to file your accusation or not? - real_jj 09:26:02 05/23/06 (6)
        
        "Filing accusations" is your thing, not mine - E-Stat 10:02:28 05/23/06 (5)
        
        Your accusation follows. - real_jj 11:58:29 05/23/06 (4)
        
        Let's say someone asks you - E-Stat 12:12:49 05/23/06 (3)
        
        I'm not a professional chef... - real_jj 07:43:55 05/24/06 (2)
        
        Well, had you followed my instructions - E-Stat 08:27:13 05/24/06 (1)
        
        Re: Well, had you followed my instructions - real_jj 16:07:42 05/24/06 (0)
        
        If you're a real expert... - mkuller 09:26:41 05/22/06 (1)
        
        Re: If you're a real expert... - real_jj 09:44:09 05/22/06 (0)
  - Curious, if you reject blind methods, what’s your methodology? - Caymus 17:56:47 05/17/06 (31)
    - Expectation biases go both ways - E-Stat 09:05:15 05/18/06 (3)
      - Perhaps, but that's not all there is to it. - Pat D 06:39:39 05/19/06 (2)
        
        You would be right... - E-Stat 17:02:07 05/20/06 (1)
        
        You really can be vicious . . . - Pat D 20:53:09 05/25/06 (0)
    - Safeguards Against Expectation Biases Aren't Needed - thetubeguy1954 05:50:10 05/18/06 (9)
      - Re: Safeguards Against Expectation Biases Aren't Needed - real_jj 13:04:01 05/21/06 (0)
      - Re: Safeguards Against Expectation Biases Aren't Needed - mls-stl 16:22:17 05/18/06 (0)
      - So you believe you are a superior being above normal human frailties? - Caymus 10:11:16 05/18/06 (0)
      - What do you have to lose? - Lynn 06:53:32 05/18/06 (5)
        
        Re: What do you have to lose? - thetubeguy1954 08:37:04 05/18/06 (4)
        
        Re: "Music gives biologists fits." (Just as audio gives physicists fits?) - $orabji! 14:53:32 05/21/06 (0)
        
        For the record... - Lynn 19:18:55 05/18/06 (2)
        
        Re: For the record... - Pat D 21:20:08 05/25/06 (0)
        
        I rarely listen to my system alone - Caymus 11:28:24 05/19/06 (0)
    - Listening? Heaven forbid! nt - Norm 20:39:21 05/17/06 (16)
      - DBT -) Listening... Sighted test -) listening, seeing, guessing, imagining... - real_jj 00:31:55 05/18/06 (15)
        
        SO YOU SAY, BUT WHO CARES WHAT YOU SAY? nt - Norm 06:23:48 05/18/06 (14)
        
        Nothing can beat malignant ignorance, Norm - real_jj 00:52:50 05/19/06 (2)
        
        What is malignant ignorance? - Norm 07:16:07 05/19/06 (1)
        
        "I DON'T CARE" - real_jj 07:44:45 05/24/06 (0)
        
        Actually quite a few of us do, and JJ makes a lot more sense than faith based audio fanatics. nt. - Lynn 06:55:36 05/18/06 (10)
        
        And quite a few of us don't - Dave Pogue 07:36:01 05/18/06 (9)
        
        Apparently you do since you are replying to this thread. nt. - Lynn 20:27:23 05/18/06 (0)
        
        Re: And quite a few of us don't - Pat D 07:48:26 05/18/06 (7)
        
        Yes, Pat, we know - Dave Pogue 08:23:43 05/18/06 (6)
        
        Ping: WELLFED! Here's another one! - Pat D 09:25:16 05/18/06 (5)
        
        Like I said, Pat - Dave Pogue 09:41:18 05/18/06 (4)
        
        Re: Like I said, Pat - Pat D 13:20:42 05/18/06 (3)
        
        Again, we don't have to prove them. We are disinterested in proving them. nt - Norm 17:41:59 05/18/06 (2)
        
        Then don’t whine when people don’t believe your amazing hearing boasts (nt) - Caymus 18:41:14 05/18/06 (1)
        
        When have I whined and since when have I boasted? Still delusional? nt - Norm 18:51:33 05/18/06 (0)
- I suspect this is REALLY a troll, and it worked. nt - Norm 14:30:21 05/17/06 (1)
  - How "republican" (present-day) of you... - real_jj 00:29:57 05/18/06 (0)
- Call the Police..... Call 9-1-1.... Call the Pentagon.... - Todd Krieger 13:32:04 05/17/06 (5)
  - Interpol! The Ascended Masters! nt - clarkjohnsen 13:47:02 05/17/06 (4)
    - Or all the sea fishermen you know - that's quite a lot of chum...(nt) - mkuller 14:30:34 05/17/06 (3)
      - I see the conspiaracy theorists are at it again... - real_jj 00:42:23 05/18/06 (2)
        
        No, We're Doing the Conspiring..... - Todd Krieger 11:44:05 05/18/06 (1)
        
        Since you admit it, it's not a conspiracy... - real_jj 01:05:56 05/19/06 (0)
- Most every audiophile who has tried them has found them useless...(nt) - mkuller 10:54:41 05/17/06 (8)
  - Please do not speak for 'most' audiophiles. nt. - Lynn 20:57:56 05/17/06 (4)
    - Au contrere... - mkuller 11:25:42 05/18/06 (3)
      - I suggest.... - Lynn 19:26:22 05/18/06 (0)
      - Re: Au contrere... - andy19191 13:24:07 05/18/06 (1)
        
        By Jove! I think you've got it. - Pat D 06:43:40 05/19/06 (0)
  - Most pro folks who are trained to use it correctly value them highly nt) - Dan Banquer 11:11:23 05/17/06 (2)
    - I'm just a regular Joe and DBT have changed the way I listen to audio (nt) - Lambda 11:30:13 05/17/06 (1)
      - Perhaps, an exception can be made for trained regular Joes. (nt) - soulfood 08:24:09 05/18/06 (0)
- It's hard to find a way to scoff at this ... - Dave Pogue 08:51:43 05/17/06 (17)
  - Re: Make that 13 angry men - geoffkait 10:17:32 05/17/06 (16)
    - No, Geoff, it's impossible to get "steamed" over nothing - Dave Pogue 11:40:04 05/17/06 (15)
      - Re: Ouch! Nothing like getting chastised by - geoffkait 15:11:29 05/17/06 (2)
        
        Ooh, what a stinging retort! - Dave Pogue 17:03:39 05/17/06 (1)
        
        Re: I suppose I should feel... - geoffkait 03:50:18 05/18/06 (0)
      - Re: No, Geoff, it's impossible to get "steamed" over nothing - musman 12:01:03 05/17/06 (11)
        
        Re: sounds like a personal problem... - geoffkait 14:09:03 05/17/06 (10)
        
        geoffkait Im not to stupid I never purchased any of your crap. - musman 05:02:20 05/18/06 (7)
        
        Re: uh, oh, somebody's channeling - geoffkait 06:29:17 05/18/06 (6)
        
        Where's your medical license, Kait? - real_jj 00:55:47 05/19/06 (5)
        
        Re: I have a bit of experience as - geoffkait 05:29:16 05/19/06 (4)
        
        Re: *I have a bit of experience as a stand-up comic* - musman 13:09:53 05/19/06 (3)
        
        Re: Let me see, I'm guessing... - geoffkait 15:18:07 05/19/06 (2)
        
        Argument from intimidation - musman 16:21:54 05/19/06 (1)
        
        Re: Argument? Is that what this is? - geoffkait 10:16:56 05/20/06 (0)
        
        I wasn't gonna say it! nt - clarkjohnsen 14:38:55 05/17/06 (1)
        
        Then don't. nt - Dan Banquer 17:27:44 05/17/06 (0)
- Re: ONLY THOSE WHO USE DBT'S TRULY TRUST THEIR EARS - Lynn 07:52:17 05/17/06 (19)
  - ONLY THOSE WHO DON'T TRUST THIER EARS USE DBT'S. - thetubeguy1954 09:49:49 05/17/06 (12)
    - Re: ONLY THOSE WHO DON'T TRUST THIER EARS USE DBT'S. - mls-stl 18:00:36 05/17/06 (1)
      - Great post! - kerr 04:51:40 05/18/06 (0)
    - What contradictory nonsense! - Pat D 16:55:15 05/17/06 (4)
      - Re: What contradictory nonsense! - thetubeguy1954 10:15:52 05/19/06 (1)
        
        Don't you remember what you wrote, Tom? - Pat D 15:16:56 05/19/06 (0)
      - Re: What contradictory nonsense! - thetubeguy1954 05:58:26 05/18/06 (1)
        
        So, .... - Lynn 06:36:01 05/18/06 (0)
    - I keep telling those guys, give me funding to do the tests you demand, and I'll happily comply. But their money is... - clarkjohnsen 10:13:07 05/17/06 (4)
      - Re: I keep telling those guys, give me funding to do the tests you demand, and I'll happily comply. But their money is.. - thetubeguy1954 12:23:11 05/17/06 (3)
        
        "This seems so simple." Indeed, which is why it eludes most "objectivists." Who, when you think about it... - clarkjohnsen 13:18:20 05/17/06 (2)
        
        Re: "This seems so simple." Indeed, which is why it eludes most "objectivists." Who, when you think about it... - thetubeguy1954 10:18:58 05/19/06 (1)
        
        Excellent point... it had eluded me. nt - clarkjohnsen 10:33:10 05/19/06 (0)
  - Re: ONLY THOSE WHO USE DBT'S TRULY TRUST THEIR EARS - andy19191 09:19:04 05/17/06 (0)
  - It's a nice idea, Lynn.but - jneutron 08:37:42 05/17/06 (0)
  - Sighted listening dosn't have to be "pre-conceived" with biases. - cheap-Jack 08:18:18 05/17/06 (3)
    - So? - Pat D 15:30:18 05/17/06 (2)
      - Pls explain "we are built to percieve differences". (nt) - cheap-Jack 13:22:39 05/18/06 (1)
        
        Re: Pls explain "we are built to percieve differences". (nt) - Pat D 14:17:27 05/18/06 (0)
- Not to mention, chicks really dig guys who are into DBT (nt) - Bersani 07:45:33 05/17/06 (0)
- A simple question. - cheap-Jack 07:36:59 05/17/06 (7)
  - A classic mistake - real_jj 00:23:13 05/18/06 (4)
    - Whose mistake of what? - cheap-Jack 12:16:37 05/18/06 (3)
      - Re: Whose mistake of what? - Paulhoff 13:04:00 05/18/06 (2)
        
        They both supplement each other. (nt) - cheap-Jack 13:17:40 05/18/06 (1)
        
        Two suggestions - real_jj 01:09:02 05/19/06 (0)
  - An Even Better Question.... - Todd Krieger 13:20:04 05/17/06 (1)
    - An even worse question... - real_jj 00:24:17 05/18/06 (0)
- Re: So, you've resorted... - geoffkait 04:23:47 05/17/06 (19)
  - Have you anything to contribute??? - real_jj 04:39:08 05/17/06 (18)
    - Re: 12 Angry Men - geoffkait 07:03:43 05/17/06 (17)
      - The classic (and shortest) line is, "That can't be!" It's been shouted at the pioneers of discovery... - clarkjohnsen 10:09:37 05/17/06 (15)
        
        The ungracious antagonists below seem to have been responding to a different post. That's called a straw man argument. n - clarkjohnsen 07:36:25 05/18/06 (1)
        
        Where's the proof, Clark? - real_jj 05:09:17 05/19/06 (0)
        
        You ready to prove that , Clark? - real_jj 00:35:37 05/18/06 (0)
        
        Proven vs. unproven science - Caymus 16:18:45 05/17/06 (0)
        
        How many pioneers have refused to put their theory to the test ? - Lambda 12:00:28 05/17/06 (10)
        
        That evades the point. There are the genius discoverers, then there are the... - clarkjohnsen 12:23:47 05/17/06 (9)
        
        Please... Einstein didn't take the picture... - Lambda 13:05:31 05/17/06 (8)
        
        You miss the point entirely. - clarkjohnsen 13:11:44 05/17/06 (7)
        
        Perhaps the point should be missed. - Lynn 21:08:14 05/17/06 (6)
        
        Re: Perhaps the point should be missed. - mls-stl 11:43:24 05/18/06 (5)
        
        I agree with your post, but it does not support Clark's position that researchers do not test for themselves. nt. - Lynn 19:33:04 05/18/06 (0)
        
        Precisely the point. Plus, the naysayers will *still* bray, usually until they take their final breath. nt - clarkjohnsen 12:44:05 05/18/06 (0)
        
        That's why real scientisis publish their discoveries for peer review - con artists don't - Caymus 12:09:06 05/18/06 (2)
        
        Re: That's why real scientisis publish their discoveries for peer review - con artists don't - Paulhoff 11:49:58 05/22/06 (0)
        
        Exactly. nt. - Lynn 19:30:47 05/18/06 (0)
      - Just show me the evidence... - real_jj 07:07:03 05/17/06 (0)
An answer to three people - Klaus, Pat D, and thetubeguy 1954 at one go 16./05/06 - May Belt 12:30:56 05/16/06 (28)
- As for, "Hearing is not simply a mechanical procedure": IT IS TOO! - clarkjohnsen 13:34:56 05/17/06 (1)
  - No, Clark, that's not what textbooks say. - real_jj 00:38:55 05/18/06 (0)
- "'Investigation of the precedence effect in budgerigars.'" LOL! Yes, why does Herr Klaus ignore *that* one? - clarkjohnsen 13:27:03 05/17/06 (0)
- Dear Mrs. Belt - KlausR. 04:06:40 05/17/06 (2)
  - Re: Dear Mrs. Belt - May Belt 07:19:40 05/17/06 (1)
    - How comes that I knew that you would decline? - KlausR. 09:35:04 05/17/06 (0)
- You confuse intelligence with confidence. And, how does one do a DBT with listening? - Pat D 15:27:42 05/16/06 (21)
  - Re: You confuse intelligence with confidence. And, how does one do a DBT with listening? - May Belt 07:16:49 05/17/06 (20)
    - So, you can guarantee that you haven't changed? - Pat D 15:32:57 05/17/06 (17)
      - Re: So, you can guarantee that you haven't changed? - May Belt 12:09:23 05/18/06 (16)
        
        Dear Mrs. Belt - KlausR. 21:42:48 05/19/06 (4)
        
        Re: Dear Mrs. Belt - May Belt 06:55:31 05/20/06 (3)
        
        Re: Dear Mrs. Belt - KlausR. 08:25:18 05/20/06 (2)
        
        Re: Dear Mrs. Belt - May Belt 10:38:23 05/20/06 (1)
        
        Now that was a short answer... - KlausR. 11:37:51 05/20/06 (0)
        
        3 questions - tunenut 19:32:32 05/18/06 (9)
        
        Re: 3 questions - May Belt 10:26:34 05/20/06 (7)
        
        thank you for your answer - tunenut 11:01:27 05/20/06 (6)
        
        You may have noticed... - KlausR. 05:30:27 05/22/06 (5)
        
        Re: You may have noticed... - May Belt 12:02:44 05/22/06 (4)
        
        the problem with COULDs - tunenut 09:17:12 05/23/06 (2)
        
        Re: the problem with COULDs - May Belt 07:09:06 05/24/06 (1)
        
        "A truism does not take the discussion any further" - tunenut 10:54:54 05/24/06 (0)
        
        A concept's a concept's'a concept... - KlausR. 23:47:09 05/22/06 (0)
        
        Maybe she'll think about this, too, instead of coming up with data. - Pat D 07:15:06 05/19/06 (0)
        
        Re: So, you can guarantee that you haven't changed? - Pat D 13:35:30 05/18/06 (0)
    - "A 'truism' only leads to a full stop!!" Excellent point! But, isn't that why they're employed? - clarkjohnsen 13:45:41 05/17/06 (1)
      - I'm really amazed you can make sense out of her posting. - Pat D 15:35:53 05/17/06 (0)
Well I'll be on my way now ... - bjh 17:35:36 05/15/06 (0)
PropHead Dialog - "wear white sheets" - real_jj 03:42:50 05/15/06 (21)
- Re: PropHead Dialog - "wear white sheets" Islamic or KKK? - Tom Dawson 08:22:27 05/16/06 (0)
- Re: PropHead Dialog - "wear white sheets" - jneutron 06:50:53 05/16/06 (0)
- N.B. The 'white sheet" accusations have been removed - real_jj 00:41:19 05/16/06 (0)
- "defenders of the bizarre" - Caymus 16:04:12 05/15/06 (0)
- Did you measure your response? - soulfood 11:09:43 05/15/06 (12)
  - How typical - real_jj 00:32:38 05/16/06 (11)
    - You're inferring, your blanket indictment (presumption) is accurate. - soulfood 05:04:22 05/16/06 (10)
      - So, what do regard a request for equity as, then? - real_jj 03:10:28 05/17/06 (7)
        
        Frankly, I found your rally for the objective side short-sighted. - soulfood 10:59:59 05/17/06 (6)
        
        Soulfood implies that disagreeing with him equates to mental illness - real_jj 00:41:15 05/18/06 (5)
        
        Portraying yourself and like-thinkers as victims is one thing... - soulfood 07:56:46 05/18/06 (4)
        
        Listen up, fella... Listen good... - real_jj 00:59:36 05/19/06 (3)
        
        My buddies? - soulfood 04:22:36 05/19/06 (2)
        
        Hey, you hang out with them, don't blame me.... - real_jj 04:51:29 05/19/06 (1)
        
        Oh snap, I thought we were hanging out. - soulfood 08:11:59 05/19/06 (0)
      - Re: You're inferring, your blanket indictment (presumption) is accurate. - jneutron 10:57:02 05/16/06 (1)
        
        Re: You're inferring, your blanket indictment (presumption) is accurate. - soulfood 14:05:41 05/16/06 (0)
- Agreed.nt - Dan Banquer 08:00:58 05/15/06 (0)
- Re: PropHead Dialog - "wear white sheets" - andy19191 05:40:30 05/15/06 (2)
  - Re: PropHead Dialog - "wear white sheets" - Pat D 08:58:17 05/15/06 (1)
    - Re: PropHead Dialog - "wear white sheets" - kerr 10:10:29 05/15/06 (0)
RFI & Interconnects - Lynn 19:26:42 05/13/06 (8)
- We got to fix RFI which is everywhere. (loooong) - cheap-Jack 12:31:25 05/15/06 (0)
- Re: RFI & Interconnects - chris_w 13:53:30 05/14/06 (1)
  - forgot to mention - chris_w 13:59:34 05/14/06 (0)
- Turn off the computer and listen. - Al Sekela 13:36:24 05/14/06 (2)
  - I wish I could, but the computer is the source! nt. - Lynn 14:29:50 05/14/06 (1)
    - OK, the next-cheapest experiment - Al Sekela 16:00:25 05/15/06 (0)
- Re: RFI & Interconnects - Dan Banquer 11:13:53 05/14/06 (0)
- Probably not. - rick_m 22:55:43 05/13/06 (0)
How Does One Prove You Can Hear Different Cables - thetubeguy1954 08:15:33 05/12/06 (200)
- I for one do believe that you are hearing differences but that's not the real point! - KlausR. 05:45:21 05/16/06 (2)
  - Re: I for one do believe that you are hearing differences but that's not the real point! - Caymus 10:51:26 05/16/06 (1)
    - Floyd Toole : Hearing is believing vs believing is hearing - KlausR. 23:58:01 05/16/06 (0)
- Isn't there a cable asylum for these posts? - real_jj 00:55:14 05/15/06 (35)
  - It was originally posted in Cables... - Jon Risch 20:59:28 05/15/06 (32)
    - Because, Jon, DBT's are not allowed in the cable asylum... - real_jj 00:38:07 05/16/06 (31)
      - Re: Because, Jon, DBT's are not allowed in the cable asylum... - Jon Risch 10:38:47 05/16/06 (30)
        
        An amateur DBT is still more accurate than an amateur impressionable (sighted) test - Caymus 11:07:54 05/16/06 (29)
        
        Re: An amateur DBT is still more accurate than an amateur impressionable (sighted) test - thetubeguy1954 10:18:55 05/17/06 (4)
        
        So far not a single human has proven they can differentiate silver from copper wire by listening - Caymus 13:00:47 05/17/06 (3)
        
        Differentiating between copper and silver wire, that's an easy one! - KlausR. 10:36:12 05/18/06 (2)
        
        I can hear the difference between RED and BLACK insulation! - Caymus 11:16:19 05/18/06 (1)
        
        Oh yeah! I can hear red and black interconnects when they're IN THE ROOM! (nt) - Pat D 22:09:14 05/18/06 (0)
        
        And there's the whole problem - Jon Risch 21:03:59 05/16/06 (23)
        
        How is a "flawed DBT" worse than a sighted test? - real_jj 03:16:42 05/17/06 (2)
        
        Re: How is a "flawed DBT" worse than a sighted test? - Jon Risch 21:33:28 05/17/06 (1)
        
        Stuff and nonsense - real_jj 03:11:45 05/18/06 (0)
        
        Re: And there's the whole problem - KlausR. 00:07:51 05/17/06 (16)
        
        Re: And there's the whole problem - Jon Risch 15:51:02 05/17/06 (15)
        
        Straw men burning left and right! Call the pompiers! - real_jj 04:58:05 05/19/06 (0)
        
        Often I have volunteered to do the execution, if they provide the funding. nt - clarkjohnsen 12:47:18 05/18/06 (0)
        
        Re: And there's the whole problem - KlausR. 00:04:28 05/18/06 (12)
        
        Klaus, I believe you are incorrect. - jneutron 07:30:42 05/18/06 (11)
        
        Yes, it was a pre-print... - KlausR. 07:56:52 05/18/06 (10)
        
        Absolutely. - jneutron 08:35:00 05/18/06 (9)
        
        Breaking radio silence to inquire .... - bjh 09:54:34 05/18/06 (8)
        
        AES CONVENTION preprints - real_jj 05:06:06 05/19/06 (0)
        
        Re: Breaking radio silence to inquire .... - jneutron 10:35:40 05/18/06 (5)
        
        Pathetic! nt - bjh 10:56:02 05/18/06 (4)
        
        What a silly statement. Kinda like my kids saying "oh yah!!" - jneutron 11:23:48 05/18/06 (3)
        
        And so's yer old man! nt - clarkjohnsen 12:50:41 05/18/06 (2)
        
        ???nt - jneutron 13:06:19 05/18/06 (1)
        
        Just an echo. nt - clarkjohnsen 13:24:15 05/18/06 (0)
        
        AES Papers - Jon Risch 10:18:18 05/18/06 (0)
        
        Why is minimizing preconceived expectations "extra difficulties"? - Caymus 23:26:59 05/16/06 (2)
        
        The usual ASSumption - Jon Risch 16:53:16 05/17/06 (1)
        
        Re: The usual ASSumption - real_jj 03:14:04 05/18/06 (0)
  - Re: Isn't there a cable asylum for these posts? - thetubeguy1954 06:45:27 05/15/06 (1)
    - How does your concern affect a DBT? - real_jj 00:36:37 05/16/06 (0)
- one thing i have noticed is - zuki 15:14:21 05/13/06 (0)
- Re: How Does One Prove You Can Hear Different Cables - Dan Banquer 14:28:01 05/13/06 (63)
  - "reactive enough " - Caymus 16:12:00 05/13/06 (62)
    - A friend of mine once replaced his generic IC cabling with low capacitance coax that I recommended and... - Tom Dawson 20:41:22 05/14/06 (20)
      - "Skin effect for 20 awg wire starts to significantly decrease its conductivity above 20 khz " says who? - Tre' 20:17:42 05/15/06 (16)
        
        Sez this Microwave Encyclopedia web site - Tom Dawson 07:12:37 05/16/06 (15)
        
        Re: Sez this Microwave Encyclopedia web site - Tre' 10:54:07 05/16/06 (7)
        
        Re: Sez this Microwave Encyclopedia web site - jneutron 11:23:42 05/16/06 (6)
        
        Re: Sez this Microwave Encyclopedia web site - Tre' 11:37:31 05/16/06 (5)
        
        Re: Sez this Microwave Encyclopedia web site - jneutron 11:52:37 05/16/06 (4)
        
        Re: Sez this Microwave Encyclopedia web site - Tre' 14:20:09 05/16/06 (3)
        
        Re: Sez this Microwave Encyclopedia web site - Tom Dawson 14:56:41 05/16/06 (2)
        
        Re: Sez this Microwave Encyclopedia web site - Tre' 16:19:27 05/16/06 (1)
        
        Re: Sez this Microwave Encyclopedia web site - Tom Dawson 18:22:51 05/16/06 (0)
        
        Ah, thanks. - jneutron 07:35:24 05/16/06 (6)
        
        Re: Ah, thanks. - Tom Dawson 07:48:16 05/16/06 (5)
        
        Re: Ah, thanks. - jneutron 08:39:28 05/16/06 (4)
        
        Re: Ah, thanks. - Tom Dawson 09:04:36 05/16/06 (3)
        
        Re: Ah, thanks. - jneutron 09:23:14 05/16/06 (2)
        
        Re: Ah, thanks. - Tom Dawson 09:37:54 05/16/06 (1)
        
        Re: Ah, thanks. - jneutron 10:00:20 05/16/06 (0)
      - Then how does video and digital work if wire can’t even pass 20 KHz? - Caymus 19:10:34 05/15/06 (2)
        
        The ICs in question were the garden variety types supplied with most mass market audio equipment. - Tom Dawson 07:17:36 05/16/06 (0)
        
        I suspect his friend had a passive pre - andy_c 20:16:09 05/15/06 (0)
    - Re: "reactive enough " - Dan Banquer 06:42:13 05/14/06 (40)
      - So what frequencies are these resonances caused by quality cables? - Caymus 11:00:29 05/14/06 (29)
        
        Re: So what frequencies are these resonances caused by quality cables? - Dan Banquer 11:10:51 05/14/06 (28)
        
        Then what is the frequency response of wire? - Caymus 13:27:38 05/14/06 (27)
        
        Re: Then what is the frequency response of wire? - andy_c 17:51:40 05/14/06 (23)
        
        So what are the typical 1M interconnect cable values? - Caymus 18:43:53 05/14/06 (22)
        
        Re: why don't audiophile cable manufacturers (Kimber, MIT, etc) ever publish these figures? - Dave Kingsland 06:35:38 05/15/06 (15)
        
        0.5db at 8MHz! - Caymus 16:27:47 05/15/06 (14)
        
        Re: 0.5db at 8MHz! - Tom Dawson 08:33:03 05/16/06 (0)
        
        Good time to lend a hand to one of your cohorts! - bjh 17:00:05 05/15/06 (12)
        
        Re: Good time to lend a hand to one of your cohorts! - andy19191 00:16:16 05/16/06 (11)
        
        Re: Good time to lend a hand to one of your cohorts! - thetubeguy1954 08:39:56 05/16/06 (10)
        
        One More Response For Andy - thetubeguy1954 09:17:26 05/16/06 (9)
        
        "I know you desperately needed to believe that." And him, an "objectivist". Very funny! nt - clarkjohnsen 13:56:21 05/17/06 (0)
        
        Re: One More Response For Andy - andy19191 14:25:30 05/16/06 (7)
        
        Re: One More Response For Andy - thetubeguy1954 08:12:30 05/17/06 (6)
        
        "I don't believe you to be a foolish man." There you go again with your damn belief systems. ;-) nt - clarkjohnsen 13:58:53 05/17/06 (0)
        
        Re: One More Response For Andy - geoffkait 08:28:21 05/17/06 (4)
        
        '"tried and true" tactics: appeal to common sense, appeal to education, appeal to science, etc.' - Lynn 07:10:45 05/18/06 (1)
        
        Re: Yes, I'm quite - geoffkait 08:20:59 05/18/06 (0)
        
        Not to forget Appeal to Authority... nt - clarkjohnsen 13:59:55 05/17/06 (1)
        
        Re: Excellent, excellent... nt - geoffkait 14:25:09 05/17/06 (0)
        
        Maybe it is not to their advantage... - Lynn 19:56:55 05/14/06 (4)
        
        "Also, some boutique cables have a deliberate sonic signature ... - bjh 20:23:58 05/14/06 (3)
        
        Re: "Also, some boutique cables have a deliberate sonic signature ... - Caymus 16:45:33 05/15/06 (1)
        
        You'd swear that in the question of the - bjh 16:57:17 05/15/06 (0)
        
        Re: "Also, some boutique cables have a deliberate sonic signature ... - Lynn 05:51:38 05/15/06 (0)
        
        Heavily dependent on output impedance of the source - andy_c 19:06:29 05/14/06 (0)
        
        Re: Then what is the frequency response of wire? - Dan Banquer 15:14:32 05/14/06 (2)
        
        Take this hint: Condescending and evasive replies usually means you don’t know - Caymus 16:30:59 05/14/06 (1)
        
        Re: Take this hint: Condescending and evasive replies usually means you don’t know - Dan Banquer 18:13:14 05/14/06 (0)
      - "Why anyone thinks this is better, or worth more money is beyond me." - Lynn 09:04:14 05/14/06 (9)
        
        Strange indeed! - kerr 14:36:45 05/14/06 (3)
        
        Strange things do happen... - Lynn 15:11:57 05/14/06 (2)
        
        All the time! - kerr 17:47:55 05/14/06 (1)
        
        Stranger still... - Lynn 19:40:07 05/14/06 (0)
        
        Agreed - chris_w 13:33:09 05/14/06 (0)
        
        Just curious - E-Stat 10:16:51 05/14/06 (1)
        
        Hmmm... - Lynn 13:21:05 05/14/06 (0)
        
        Re: "Why anyone thinks this is better, or worth more money is beyond me." - Dan Banquer 09:58:11 05/14/06 (0)
        
        You might be mistaking - bjh 09:39:46 05/14/06 (0)
- Re: How Does One Prove You Can Hear Different Cables - andy19191 10:20:58 05/13/06 (6)
  - Re: How Does One Prove You Can Hear Different Cables - thetubeguy1954 13:56:48 05/14/06 (5)
    - Re: How Does One Prove You Can Hear Different Cables - andy19191 22:43:30 05/14/06 (4)
      - Answer My Specific Question. - thetubeguy1954 06:52:19 05/15/06 (3)
        
        Re: Answer My Specific Question. - andy19191 08:03:12 05/15/06 (2)
        
        Re: Answer My Specific Question. - thetubeguy1954 10:56:07 05/15/06 (1)
        
        Re: Answer My Specific Question. - andy19191 14:01:31 05/15/06 (0)
- Prove, to whom, exactly? The numerous recalcitrants here? Forget it! nt - clarkjohnsen 10:09:20 05/13/06 (5)
  - Re: Prove, to whom, exactly? The numerous recalcitrants here? Forget it! nt - Todd Krieger 12:22:50 05/14/06 (0)
  - To whom? How about your readers! - Caymus 13:57:57 05/13/06 (0)
  - Agreed. Why even bother? Why care? - Bruce Kendall 11:32:30 05/13/06 (2)
    - Ah, but there are souls to be saved. nt - markrohr 17:14:41 05/14/06 (0)
    - Eggs Ackley... - mkuller 12:06:36 05/13/06 (0)
- Why bother? - kerr 09:58:08 05/13/06 (0)
- Re: How Does One Prove You Can Hear Different Cables - McAttack 09:09:00 05/12/06 (35)
  - Then why do audiophiles need sound level meters just to position their speakers? - Caymus 17:17:18 05/13/06 (0)
  - Errr . . . when someone participates in a blind test, whose ears to they trust? - Pat D 09:39:13 05/13/06 (33)
    - Re: Errr . . . when someone participates in a blind test, whose ears to they trust? - bjh 12:53:18 05/13/06 (32)
      - Re: Errr . . . when someone participates in a blind test, whose ears to they trust? - Pat D 13:39:39 05/13/06 (31)
        
        Pat, the poster didn't wtite ... - bjh 13:53:48 05/13/06 (30)
        
        Actually McAttack said we don't trust our ears . . . - Pat D 14:30:33 05/13/06 (29)
        
        Answer This Pat - thetubeguy1954 14:07:02 05/14/06 (22)
        
        Again, you confuse things. - Pat D 18:00:28 05/14/06 (19)
        
        Pat Once Again DON"T Answer My Specific Question. - thetubeguy1954 06:06:39 05/15/06 (10)
        
        He pointed to a post that answers your question completely - real_jj 04:28:42 05/17/06 (0)
        
        And you ignore the point! Buridan's Donkey - Pat D 07:48:21 05/15/06 (8)
        
        Re: And you ignore the point! Buridan's Donkey - thetubeguy1954 08:13:05 05/15/06 (7)
        
        You won't read the answer, yet you complain you don't get one? - real_jj 04:36:46 05/17/06 (3)
        
        Re: You won't read the answer, yet you complain you don't get one? - thetubeguy1954 10:50:29 05/17/06 (2)
        
        Re: You won't read the answer, yet you complain you don't get one? - Pat D 07:41:05 05/18/06 (0)
        
        RTFM - real_jj 04:50:42 05/18/06 (0)
        
        Let's see if you change your tune when you do a proper blind test. - Pat D 08:41:32 05/15/06 (2)
        
        Re: Let's see if you change your tune when you do a proper blind test. - thetubeguy1954 11:02:03 05/15/06 (1)
        
        Re: Let's see if you change your tune when you do a proper blind test. - Pat D 13:33:25 05/15/06 (0)
        
        "Sighted tests are unreliable for small audible differences, period." 1st article of Faith in Pat's religion. LOL - bjh 19:35:51 05/14/06 (7)
        
        You do understand science, don't you, bjh? - real_jj 04:42:18 05/17/06 (0)
        
        You obviously haven't begun to look into this. - Pat D 20:00:48 05/14/06 (5)
        
        Poor simple Pat, the absence of unanimity of opinion - bjh 20:12:23 05/14/06 (4)
        
        Deliberate misrepresentation? - Pat D 20:22:03 05/14/06 (3)
        
        As you are exhibiting manifestly transparent intellectual dishonestly there is no need to continue. Adieu I-Child. nt - bjh 20:27:41 05/14/06 (2)
        
        You misstate Pat's position and then accuse him of dishonesty? - real_jj 04:46:05 05/17/06 (0)
        
        I proved my case. You can't prove yours. (nt) - Pat D 20:44:22 05/14/06 (0)
        
        Re: Answer This Pat - theaudiohobby 16:35:17 05/14/06 (1)
        
        Re: Answer This Pat - thetubeguy1954 07:26:52 05/15/06 (0)
        
        Pat, should anyone suggest you *not* use blind testing, or object to - bjh 14:48:23 05/13/06 (5)
        
        "If your friends can not trust their own hearing or care to listen" - Pat D 18:05:06 05/14/06 (4)
        
        Pat, you are a complete I-Child! That explains your confusion as to why I don't take your foolish queries seriously. - bjh 20:01:54 05/14/06 (3)
        
        McAttack said the nonsense. - Pat D 20:10:06 05/14/06 (2)
        
        More nonsense ... Adieu I-Child. nt - bjh 20:29:15 05/14/06 (1)
        
        Back to ad hominems again. If you can't take the heat, stay out of the kitchen. (nt) - Pat D 20:54:50 05/14/06 (0)
- Re: How Does One Prove You Can Hear Different Cables - tomservo 09:09:21 05/12/06 (0)
- You'll never prove it to the satisfaction of folks like this - Dave Pogue 10:49:47 05/12/06 (13)
  - Re: You'll never prove it to the satisfaction of folks like this - ernstr@xs4all.nl 17:29:19 05/13/06 (0)
  - Re: You'll never prove it to the satisfaction of folks like this - thetubeguy1954 11:47:48 05/12/06 (11)
    - Re: You'll never prove it to the satisfaction of folks like this - andy19191 03:01:34 05/14/06 (10)
      - Re: You'll never prove it to the satisfaction of folks like this - thetubeguy1954 14:15:19 05/14/06 (6)
        
        Re: You'll never prove it to the satisfaction of folks like this - andy19191 23:27:03 05/14/06 (5)
        
        Re: You'll never prove it to the satisfaction of folks like this - thetubeguy1954 07:59:33 05/15/06 (4)
        
        Re: You'll never prove it to the satisfaction of folks like this - andy19191 08:46:09 05/15/06 (0)
        
        Re: You'll never prove it to the satisfaction of folks like this - bjh 08:44:51 05/15/06 (2)
        
        Re: You'll never prove it to the satisfaction of folks like this - thetubeguy1954 14:08:42 05/15/06 (1)
        
        Unless you are grossly misrepresenting your prior position - bjh 15:03:15 05/15/06 (0)
      - There's absolutely no point in trying to be "constructive" - Dave Pogue 13:29:11 05/14/06 (0)
      - Re: You'll never prove it to the satisfaction of folks like this - May Belt 11:01:29 05/14/06 (1)
        
        Re: You'll never prove it to the satisfaction of folks like this - andy19191 12:43:49 05/14/06 (0)
- Re: How Does One Prove You Can Hear Different Cables - May Belt 11:12:43 05/12/06 (3)
  - re: Our ears are the most sophisticated and most sensitive "test" devices on the planet. - KlausR. 23:14:33 05/13/06 (0)
  - "The people you refer to want to deny you your intelligence." And there you have it. nt - clarkjohnsen 10:04:43 05/13/06 (1)
    - What does intelligence have to do with hearing? (nt) - Pat D 14:31:39 05/13/06 (0)
- You can't! --- I believe I can always hear - kavakidd 12:18:31 05/12/06 (15)
  - Scientific method says listening is only an "observation" - NOT proof - Caymus 14:49:11 05/12/06 (14)
    - You don't get thetubeguy1954's point (read again). nt - Duster 14:52:19 05/12/06 (8)
      - "How Does One *Prove* You Can Hear Different Cables" - Caymus 15:10:01 05/12/06 (7)
        
        And just because you THINK you DON'T hear it, - Dave Pogue 06:37:24 05/14/06 (0)
        
        Re: "How Does One *Prove* You Can Hear Different Cables" - ernstr@xs4all.nl 18:09:17 05/13/06 (4)
        
        So you solve scientific problems "by definition!" ROFL - Pat D 20:14:49 05/14/06 (0)
        
        Re: "How Does One *Prove* You Can Hear Different Cables" - andy19191 00:04:44 05/14/06 (2)
        
        Bad choice! This is not a power of suggestion/bias demonstration, - bjh 16:35:54 05/15/06 (1)
        
        Re: Bad choice! This is not a power of suggestion/bias demonstration, - andy19191 23:49:08 05/15/06 (0)
        
        The poster asked a rhetorical question... - Duster 15:28:41 05/12/06 (0)
    - Here's something from a recent post by John Atkinson (Stereophile): - bjh 15:46:12 05/12/06 (3)
      - I don’t think there’s any controversy about hearing ground loops! - Caymus 17:51:31 05/12/06 (2)
        
        Ground loop? - Duster 18:22:06 05/12/06 (1)
        
        Sorry, no insult was intended - Caymus 22:13:47 05/12/06 (0)
    - Didn't I say you CAN'T???? - kavakidd 21:31:00 05/12/06 (0)
- Empirical proof (observation) is all that's needed. - Duster 12:35:18 05/12/06 (0)
- Were you to seek a professional journal publication, you would have to deal with the reviewers' mindsets. - Norm 13:58:26 05/12/06 (0)
- Re: How Does One Prove You Can Hear Different Cables - Ted Smith 15:06:28 05/12/06 (0)
- " But these two don't want to accept the results or know the truth." - musetap 15:17:22 05/12/06 (0)
- No thanks, I'll let you break the Rules. - Pat D 17:01:26 05/12/06 (6)
  - Hmm…maybe you’re allowed to *bash and reject* scientific listening methods here - Caymus 17:19:48 05/12/06 (2)
    - LOL. We'll see ! (nt) - Pat D 18:14:50 05/12/06 (0)
    - Cable Asylum Mission Statement - Duster 18:43:13 05/12/06 (0)
  - I would suggest that the rules here work in your favor ... - bjh 18:36:41 05/12/06 (0)
  - My Apologies Pat.... - thetubeguy1954 06:41:09 05/13/06 (1)
    - Re: My Apologies Pat.... - Pat D 09:22:00 05/13/06 (0)
jj, you asked for evidence, now here is evidence, POWERFUL evidence!!! - KlausR. 03:08:31 05/13/06 (17)
- They’re clearly not in it for the glory and fame - Caymus 16:48:50 05/13/06 (16)
  - Re: Quantum dots and cancer research - geoffkait 17:26:16 05/13/06 (15)
    - How do they feel about your citing them, I wonder? - real_jj 03:31:33 05/15/06 (3)
      - Re: Promise or threat? - geoffkait 05:34:39 05/17/06 (2)
        
        You cited them, right???? - real_jj 07:04:50 05/17/06 (1)
        
        Re: Yes, I cited them... - geoffkait 07:55:26 05/17/06 (0)
    - Sorry, I didn't see YOUR name referenced anywhere - Caymus 17:58:27 05/13/06 (10)
      - Re: What's wrong with niche audiophiles? - geoffkait 07:06:21 05/14/06 (7)
        
        "computer optics"? - real_jj 03:34:02 05/15/06 (6)
        
        *Of course, your question is bogus* - musman 05:30:54 05/15/06 (5)
        
        Which Machina Dynamica product(s) did you find ineffective? [nt] - Wellfed 13:28:54 05/16/06 (4)
        
        Nevermind I see you drink the Kool-Aid - musman 14:23:10 05/16/06 (1)
        
        Will it transport me to another realm? [nt] - Wellfed 15:08:33 05/16/06 (0)
        
        Re: Which Machina Dynamica product(s) did you find ineffective? [nt] - musman 14:18:40 05/16/06 (1)
        
        I see... - Wellfed 14:59:54 05/16/06 (0)
      - Actually, the jar of rocks is small potatoes since.... - Lynn 18:44:02 05/13/06 (1)
        
        *clever clock is actually a time machine* LMAO - musman 10:49:26 05/15/06 (0)
JJ: Followup On High Fidelity - Lynn 07:15:44 05/12/06 (5)
- Well, let's see. - real_jj 03:29:19 05/15/06 (0)
- Ambiophonics - csero 15:28:02 05/14/06 (1)
  - Re: Ambiophonics - Lynn 17:33:00 05/14/06 (0)
- Re: JJ: Followup On High Fidelity - real_jj 02:31:02 05/14/06 (1)
  - Thanks JJ. nt. - Lynn 19:41:24 05/14/06 (0)
This one's for E-Stat, Mkuller, geoffkait - Dan Banquer 05:43:01 05/12/06 (32)
- Re: This one's for E-Stat, Mkuller, geoffkait - morricab 03:36:42 05/14/06 (7)
  - Once again you don't have full command of the basics - Dan Banquer 08:56:34 05/14/06 (6)
    - Re: Once again you don't have full command of the basics - morricab 09:54:38 05/14/06 (5)
      - Keep in mind this guy says Nelson Pass' designs - E-Stat 17:02:47 05/14/06 (1)
        
        Great Marketing! nt. - Dan Banquer 19:06:24 05/14/06 (0)
      - Re: Once again you don't have full command of the basics - Dan Banquer 10:18:54 05/14/06 (2)
        
        Re: Once again you don't have full command of the basics - morricab 16:54:06 05/14/06 (1)
        
        Re: Take a Hint - Dan Banquer 19:01:49 05/14/06 (0)
- technical enough? - jcox 18:55:36 05/12/06 (1)
  - Yep. nt - Dan Banquer 11:04:33 05/14/06 (0)
- I find Nelson Pass' solution elegant - E-Stat 11:58:45 05/12/06 (12)
  - After a quick read through................ - Dan Banquer 12:04:57 05/12/06 (11)
    - Believe what you will - E-Stat 12:24:43 05/12/06 (5)
      - Are you ever going to get to ............ - Dan Banquer 12:29:31 05/12/06 (4)
        
        I comment on that which interests me - E-Stat 12:39:09 05/12/06 (3)
        
        Your comments are a leap of faith. - Dan Banquer 12:44:08 05/12/06 (2)
        
        Need to redouble your efforts on reading retention (nt) - E-Stat 12:46:21 05/12/06 (1)
        
        Re: Need to redouble your efforts on basic electronics comprehension (nt) - Dan Banquer 15:16:59 05/14/06 (0)
    - And in addition................ - Dan Banquer 12:14:28 05/12/06 (4)
      - Read his papers on the Stasis and XA designs (nt) - E-Stat 12:26:04 05/12/06 (3)
        
        Read the textbooks on how to use negative feedaback - Dan Banquer 12:32:24 05/12/06 (2)
        
        I'm sure Mr. Pass would just smile at your response - E-Stat 08:28:17 05/14/06 (1)
        
        And he is entitled to so. nt - Dan Banquer 15:18:45 05/14/06 (0)
- Mostly confusion ... - bjh 10:10:58 05/12/06 (5)
  - Re: Mostly confusion ... - Dan Banquer 10:25:13 05/12/06 (4)
    - Well thanks Dan, I'm sure that link will be helpful, - bjh 10:44:54 05/12/06 (3)
      - Re: Well thanks Dan, I'm sure that link will be helpful, - Dan Banquer 10:53:42 05/12/06 (2)
        
        Well Dan, as I was trying to demonstrate, context is important. - bjh 12:23:23 05/12/06 (1)
        
        Re: Well Dan, as I was trying to demonstrate, context is important. - Dan Banquer 12:35:22 05/12/06 (0)
- Hi Dan - jneutron 07:10:46 05/12/06 (2)
  - Re: Hi Dan - Lynn 07:29:23 05/12/06 (0)
  - Re: Hi Dan - Todd Krieger 07:20:16 05/12/06 (0)
Summary of "Most Technical" discussion on PHP in recent memory ... - bjh 19:58:35 05/10/06 (42)
- Give us a break, please. - cheap-Jack 06:44:12 05/11/06 (23)
  - "more sensible discussions" are not welcome - real_jj 10:12:20 05/11/06 (22)
    - Don't worry. Many wrongs don't make it right. - cheap-Jack 13:28:27 05/11/06 (0)
    - Indeed - E-Stat 10:51:12 05/11/06 (20)
      - So, do you have something constructive to say? - real_jj 11:47:40 05/11/06 (19)
        
        Funny - that was my reaction to your comments :) - E-Stat 14:21:16 05/11/06 (18)
        
        So, where in the "high fidelity" discussion did this start? - real_jj 15:36:30 05/11/06 (17)
        
        There's a far more diplomatic way to point out falsehodos - E-Stat 15:49:24 05/11/06 (16)
        
        But why bother, at least here? - real_jj 16:51:38 05/11/06 (15)
        
        Sir, you've become a source of amusement, not information - E-Stat 16:56:04 05/11/06 (14)
        
        In Anibus Fidemus! - real_jj 18:19:08 05/11/06 (4)
        
        You're too predictable - E-Stat 18:35:47 05/11/06 (3)
        
        This just gets far too amusing - E-Stat 19:00:44 05/11/06 (2)
        
        Do you have anything constructive to say? - real_jj 19:10:52 05/11/06 (1)
        
        Actually, that's wrong. - real_jj 19:14:31 05/11/06 (0)
        
        If you're not smart enough.................. - Dan Banquer 17:12:47 05/11/06 (8)
        
        It's not the *rare* information, but... - E-Stat 17:26:34 05/11/06 (7)
        
        You have already confirmed your ignorance - Dan Banquer 17:41:14 05/11/06 (6)
        
        Now there's an informative post ! - E-Stat 17:43:09 05/11/06 (5)
        
        More information in................ - Dan Banquer 17:46:03 05/11/06 (4)
        
        Tell me how much informative information is found in your posts? - E-Stat 17:55:21 05/11/06 (3)
        
        Once again................. - Dan Banquer 04:57:34 05/12/06 (2)
        
        More specifically - E-Stat 06:40:34 05/12/06 (1)
        
        Nonsense! - Dan Banquer 06:52:25 05/12/06 (0)
- Are you stalking me? - morricab 05:48:25 05/11/06 (17)
  - LMAO! (nt) - kerr 13:10:05 05/11/06 (16)
    - Hey! Are you laughing at me? - bjh 13:37:25 05/11/06 (15)
      - Wait, I'm the expert here... - mkuller 14:29:06 05/11/06 (14)
        
        Nope. You're just the stalker ! :) -t - E-Stat 15:04:26 05/11/06 (13)
        
        Yup.... the inbreeding continues. - real_jj 16:37:17 05/11/06 (12)
        
        What I'm doing? - E-Stat 17:00:47 05/11/06 (11)
        
        Technical Issues - Dan Banquer 17:55:00 05/11/06 (10)
        
        Technical issues? What techical issues? - E-Stat 17:59:06 05/11/06 (9)
        
        Plenty of posts; you just ignore them. - Dan Banquer 05:01:37 05/12/06 (8)
        
        Yo Dan - E-Stat 06:43:04 05/12/06 (7)
        
        Re: Yo E-Stat - Dan Banquer 06:48:55 05/12/06 (6)
        
        Since when... - mkuller 12:10:54 05/12/06 (5)
        
        Put up or shut up, - real_jj 00:57:52 05/15/06 (0)
        
        Here's why - E-Stat 14:45:47 05/12/06 (2)
        
        Fools Rush In - Dan Banquer 15:47:21 05/12/06 (1)
        
        I can certainly see why - E-Stat 16:22:17 05/12/06 (0)
        
        There's a technical post with your name on it., deal with it. nt. - Dan Banquer 13:06:26 05/12/06 (0)
Anybody have specific details about the techniques behind Holophonic recording? - Bersani 12:45:27 05/10/06 (0)
Placeholder for "jneutron"'s theory of localization - real_jj 13:46:55 05/08/06 (94)
- My, how condescending and unprofessional. - jneutron 08:28:41 05/09/06 (82)
  - Re: My, how condescending and unprofessional. - Pat D 19:33:57 05/11/06 (3)
    - (I think) you have mail..not sure, but hopefully..nt - jneutron 13:55:12 05/12/06 (2)
      - Not yet. You could try me at AR. That might work. (nt) - Pat D 18:34:12 05/12/06 (1)
        
        willdo. nt - jneutron 07:52:54 05/13/06 (0)
  - As I told you months ago... - Mudcat 06:10:56 05/10/06 (1)
    - Hey there. - jneutron 06:13:10 05/10/06 (0)
  - Addressing your speculations - real_jj 12:04:15 05/09/06 (51)
    - Re: Addressing your speculations - Tom Dawson 18:14:00 05/10/06 (0)
    - Re: Addressing your speculations - jneutron 12:23:24 05/09/06 (49)
      - Continuing. - real_jj 12:44:40 05/09/06 (48)
        
        Re: I will certainly never ever attempt such a discussion here again" - geoffkait 06:10:41 05/10/06 (44)
        
        Yes. - real_jj 10:50:33 05/10/06 (43)
        
        Re: Proceed - geoffkait 11:35:58 05/10/06 (42)
        
        Proceed as thou wilt.... - real_jj 12:28:37 05/10/06 (41)
        
        Re: Prove it - geoffkait 13:12:03 05/10/06 (40)
        
        Not my job... - real_jj 14:49:12 05/10/06 (39)
        
        Re: rec.audio & Randi's - geoffkait 15:44:25 05/10/06 (38)
        
        You meant 'aspersions'. Dispersion is what is symptomatic of a person's mental faculties if they buy into the IC mythos - Tom Dawson 18:23:47 05/10/06 (4)
        
        Re: I'm impressed... - geoffkait 03:01:50 05/11/06 (3)
        
        I didn't 'almost' design my DC coupled OTL amp and tube Sonic Hologram, btw. - Tom Dawson 20:18:00 05/12/06 (2)
        
        Re: Everybody's got - geoffkait 08:07:25 05/13/06 (1)
        
        Hey, Geoff, where's the evidence? - real_jj 01:00:36 05/15/06 (0)
        
        Where's your evidence? - real_jj 16:23:02 05/10/06 (32)
        
        Re: is there an echo in here? - geoffkait 17:01:21 05/10/06 (31)
        
        Open Mouth Insert Foot! - Mudcat 09:14:01 05/11/06 (3)
        
        Re: Well, yeah ... - geoffkait 09:54:58 05/11/06 (2)
        
        Re: Well, yeah ... - Mudcat 04:15:23 05/12/06 (1)
        
        Re: Poo-poo, ca-ca - geoffkait 05:16:21 05/12/06 (0)
        
        You made the claim, you show the evidence - real_jj 18:27:42 05/10/06 (26)
        
        Re: "I don't deny them, but I don't accept them." - geoffkait 02:59:00 05/11/06 (25)
        
        You're not blinding me with science, for sure. - real_jj 10:08:09 05/11/06 (15)
        
        Re: It's the same ol' song - geoffkait 10:43:57 05/11/06 (14)
        
        So, where's the evidence? - real_jj 11:43:27 05/11/06 (13)
        
        Re: Evidence - geoffkait 12:16:27 05/11/06 (12)
        
        Yeah, evidence, can you produce it or not? - real_jj 13:01:09 05/11/06 (11)
        
        Re: Yeah, evidence, can you produce it or not? - geoffkait 14:17:33 05/11/06 (9)
        
        zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz - real_jj 14:20:57 05/11/06 (8)
        
        Re: An indecent proposal - geoffkait 14:47:43 05/11/06 (7)
        
        Yeah, yeah, you have no evidence, I get it. - real_jj 15:41:38 05/11/06 (6)
        
        Re: I'm positive you don't get it - geoffkait 16:11:15 05/11/06 (5)
        
        Oh, I get it, you have no evidence... - real_jj 16:35:18 05/11/06 (4)
        
        Re: evidence - geoffkait 17:30:59 05/11/06 (3)
        
        Was that a flock of mallards I heard? - real_jj 18:17:22 05/11/06 (2)
        
        Re: Most likely twas the sound of butterfly nets - geoffkait 18:37:41 05/11/06 (1)
        
        Nope, evidence is all I want... - real_jj 19:12:58 05/11/06 (0)
        
        Sheesh! - kerr 13:12:10 05/11/06 (0)
        
        Re: "I don't deny them, but I don't accept them." - morricab 05:44:24 05/11/06 (8)
        
        Re: Don't shoot me, I'm just the piano player - geoffkait 06:21:27 05/11/06 (7)
        
        Who provided the mechanism on the site? - real_jj 10:14:27 05/11/06 (6)
        
        Re: "The scientists who haven't quite left the building yet" - geoffkait 11:04:48 05/11/06 (5)
        
        Who wrote the mechanism for how the IC works? - real_jj 11:42:08 05/11/06 (4)
        
        jj..I believe he wrote the "definitive explanation" - jneutron 07:16:27 05/12/06 (3)
        
        Re: "a month or two" - geoffkait 07:51:24 05/12/06 (2)
        
        Re: "a month or two" - jneutron 08:07:50 05/12/06 (1)
        
        Re: "a month or two" - geoffkait 09:33:36 05/12/06 (0)
        
        Re: Continuing. - jneutron 13:09:31 05/09/06 (2)
        
        To clarify a few points. - real_jj 13:29:36 05/09/06 (1)
        
        Re: To clarify a few points. - jneutron 13:45:49 05/09/06 (0)
  - Your title is unfortunate, and now you will have to deliver on your claim. - real_jj 11:49:08 05/09/06 (23)
    - Did, dude.. - jneutron 12:05:12 05/09/06 (22)
      - Your contact information, please. - real_jj 12:12:59 05/09/06 (21)
        
        Re: Your contact information, please. - jneutron 12:32:47 05/09/06 (20)
        
        He tends to get his panties all in a wad (nt) - E-Stat 20:28:40 05/09/06 (7)
        
        Perhaps - jneutron 06:09:53 05/10/06 (6)
        
        Re: Perhaps - mkuller 12:30:08 05/10/06 (4)
        
        hmm - jneutron 12:35:50 05/10/06 (0)
        
        Still stalking, I see. - real_jj 12:31:48 05/10/06 (2)
        
        Who's stalking who? - mkuller 13:17:34 05/10/06 (1)
        
        You're stalking me. It's plain as day. - real_jj 14:50:55 05/10/06 (0)
        
        Giving Too Much Credit..... - Todd Krieger 10:58:11 05/10/06 (0)
        
        John, John, John ... If I were a betting man I'd - bjh 12:45:07 05/09/06 (10)
        
        Re: John, John, John ... If I were a betting man I'd - Todd Krieger 18:20:19 05/09/06 (7)
        
        What's your point, Krieger? - real_jj 19:02:26 05/09/06 (6)
        
        Re: What's your point, Krieger? - Todd Krieger 19:29:04 05/09/06 (5)
        
        Interesting... - real_jj 10:23:57 05/11/06 (4)
        
        Revisiting Your Explanation..... And Making It a Lot Clearer... - Todd Krieger 16:15:33 05/11/06 (3)
        
        Thing is, that's not how it was created.... - real_jj 16:49:38 05/11/06 (0)
        
        Correction..... - Todd Krieger 16:45:22 05/11/06 (1)
        
        Understood that's what you meant... - real_jj 16:52:48 05/11/06 (0)
        
        Re: John, John, John ... If I were a betting man I'd - jneutron 13:25:31 05/09/06 (0)
        
        Re: John, John, John ... If I were a betting man I'd - real_jj 12:47:00 05/09/06 (0)
        
        Your contact information, please. - real_jj 12:33:37 05/09/06 (0)
- Kind of like Hardy's take on psuedo contentestualism.... - Don T 21:21:55 05/08/06 (0)
- I Have To Admit..... - Todd Krieger 16:25:01 05/08/06 (1)
  - Well, you see - real_jj 16:56:42 05/08/06 (0)
- Allow me ... - bjh 14:50:42 05/08/06 (6)
  - Now now... Be good. - real_jj 15:50:04 05/08/06 (5)
    - Well, after John's last salvo (above) - bjh 10:40:04 05/09/06 (4)
      - Congrats..another meaningless post.. - jneutron 10:49:33 05/09/06 (3)
        
        Same reason you're hear, it appears - real_jj 11:50:43 05/09/06 (0)
        
        Jeez Dude, small thanks ... sheesh! BTW, there was another guy run outta town for Funny Talk ... You've been warned! nt - bjh 11:22:55 05/09/06 (1)
        
        Wait a minute. - jneutron 11:26:09 05/09/06 (0)
- no prob. - jneutron 14:04:09 05/08/06 (0)
Right ? - hitsware 20:29:32 05/04/06 (13)
- No....... - Todd Krieger 13:11:23 05/05/06 (11)
  - YES according to Audio Note. - cheap-Jack 09:15:16 05/06/06 (8)
    - Re: YES according to Audio Note. - Tom Dawson 21:49:45 05/07/06 (7)
      - Are you nitpicking or what? - cheap-Jack 09:07:35 05/08/06 (6)
        
        Or what, of course. - Tom Dawson 09:31:50 05/08/06 (5)
        
        Re: Or what, of course. - real_jj 11:25:33 05/08/06 (4)
        
        Re: Or what, of course. - hitsware 10:28:00 05/09/06 (3)
        
        Iron pipe - real_jj 12:06:40 05/09/06 (1)
        
        I mean a small pipe............or in this case a woofer frame..... - hitsware 13:33:37 05/10/06 (0)
        
        Re: Or what, of course. - Tom Dawson 11:23:25 05/09/06 (0)
  - Re: No....... - hitsware 03:07:31 05/06/06 (1)
    - Re: No....... - Todd Krieger 21:32:06 05/06/06 (0)
- Err, no.... - real_jj 10:41:15 05/05/06 (0)
Based on the discussion below of what constitutes "high fidelity"... - mkuller 10:42:51 05/03/06 (5)
- MP3 can be more true to source than an old walkman..depends upon compression ratio. nt. - Lynn 20:03:32 05/06/06 (0)
- Re: Based on the discussion below of what constitutes "high fidelity"... - gymwear5@hotmail.com 19:01:34 05/06/06 (1)
  - Re: Based on the discussion below of what constitutes "high fidelity"... - Tom Dawson 21:30:14 05/07/06 (0)
- Re: Based on the discussion below of what constitutes "high fidelity"... - Tom Dawson 16:32:25 05/03/06 (0)
- none of the above - real_jj 10:53:03 05/03/06 (0)
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