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In Reply to: Sorry, dude, study the auditory system... posted by real_jj on May 19, 2006 at 00:46:40:
Real JJ,I like to read and have read many of the articles Objectivists refer to. I am quite aware that the human ear/brain process will often fill in missing data. I have no problem accepting that.
I guess I should have been more clear when I said "It's not likely that everyone's fooling themselves." As I stated before I accept the fact of the human ear/brain process filling in missing data. In light of that I'd rephrase my comment to "It's not likely that everyone's fooling themselves, the same way at the same time."
What I don't accept as probable is that two individuals, both being different, having different biases and different preferences would IMAGINE things that are similar or the same! I find it even more difficult to accept two different individuals ear/brain combo in the same situation, gave them similar descriptions to describe what they had experienced. That is "IF" this was all only imagined as you suggest.
In fact I find it ludicrous that Objectivists who claim to be the proponents of scientific proof, would attempt to have me believe two different individuals heard a song and then with their different biases and preferences, both their ear/brain combos decided the same data was missing, hence they imagined soundstage got deeper and wider. Next when these same two individuals listened to another song, their two different ear/brain combos decided yet again to imagine the same data was missing, and BINGO the bass became more extended!
Had these two different individuals heard a song, then with all the missing data to choose from in a recording, with their different biases and preferences, had both their ear/brain combos decided to fill in different missing data, which in turn would have them imagine different things improved i.e. one said the soundstage is wider and deeper and the other said the frequency extremes were expanded, I'd agree with your assessment and believe this was what was actually happening.
So Real JJ although I agree completely with your statement about the ear/brain combo filling in missing data and to that extent we are all fooling ourselves. I don't believe that's what's happening in the example I cited.
As I've said many times in the past I cannot speak for other Subjectivists. Nor do I know what other Subjectivists believe as a bottom line. Truth be told I believe that the claims of Subjectivists should be able to proven via repeatable scientific tests. Where problem lies is either: 1) Objectivist are deliberately using tests they know cannot verify Subjectivist's claims or 2) Objectivists are unable at this time to determine what tests they should use to measure the critera that IS indicative of: A) How the human ear measures differences in sound and B) How the brain interpets what the ear hears to decide what sounds real and what dosen't.
I'll be honest, I'm not sure what the solution is. I know this much, in the end when it's been proven who is correct both sides will benefit. But in the meantime, how is it hurting anyone for Subjectivsts to believe what they do? Provided of course, they aren't trying to sell products they know don't work.
Thetubeguy1954
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