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>Your problem is holding audiophile beliefs that are incorrect about matters that lie in the scientific domain. That is, it is aspects of your objective view of sound, sound perception and audio equipment that is at fault and not your subjective view.<

Care to expound further?

> Why do you want to find common ground? Aren't you confident you are right? <

I am confident that I'm right about certain components measuring the same and sounding different. What I want to know is how that can occur.

>"Preferences are not beliefs. Beliefs refer to things audiophiles consider to be true even though there is no evidence to support them and, in many instances, are in conflict with what has been established by science. Examples are things like a belief that the ear can hear things that cannot be measured, audiophiles have discovered things about sound and sound perception that science cannot yet explain, the brain plays no role in modifying/interpreting sound, distorting a signal makes it more accurate, high levels of distortion are not audible, minute levels of distortion are audible, blinding is fundamentally flawed, A->D->A conversion produces all sorts of (unmeasurable) problems, a realistic soundfield at a live event can be extracted from a 2 channel signal, etc..."<

Ok, good! Thank you. Change your second sentence to read "...things audiophiles believe to be possible..." and you've got me to a T. As I said, I've had plenty of audiophile-type experiences but I'm not sure I've picked up many beliefs as a result, other than the belief that things science doesn't yet know are possible.

>there are certainly recognisable degrees of "audiophileness".<

Ahhhh! Ok.

>Why cann't objectivist be 100% correct about objective matters and subjectivists 100% correct about subjective matters (subject to preference variations) and you be both an objectivist and subjectivist?<

Most people are indeed subjectivist and objectivist whether they know it or not. There are exceptions, of course. But to answer your question, let me first get some clarification. Are you asking why audiophiles can't trust our subjective opinions without trying to explain them through science? Such as the cable explanation of something like "cryo and modern cold fusion theory is what makes our cables sound so good"? Please expound on this because I think I'm following you but I'm not sure. Your last couple of paragraphs helped but I'm still not quite getting it.

>Although I would admit to an interest in knowing more about what triggers the collapse of audiophile beliefs when it occurs.<

If it ever happens to me, I'll be sure to let you know!



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