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Analog Scott Give Up Pat D Is An Audio Politician

Analog Scott,

Give up you cannot win an arguement with Pat D. Not because he actual wins the debate or proves his point, but rather because he mis-directs, twists what you actually say to fit what he believes etc. while accusing you of doing the very same things!

Take for example where Pat D asked you "Just what are those "beliefs?" Please specify." One of your four responses was
"All cables sounding the same" to which Pat responded some cables do sound different under some circumstances. Now that comment from Pat would almost lead you to believe Pat actually believes that cables do indeed sound different, wouldn't it? However what Pat really means is that 99.9999999999999999999999999999999% of the time the differences in cables are inaudible. But being the audio Politician he is he won't come out and say that. In fact the closest I've ever seen Pat D honestly state his beliefs on wires is in this post where he's replying to regmac:

http://www.audioasylum.com/forums/prophead/messages/26124.html

In this post Pat D states: As I've been saying, we can't say cables make no difference under any circumstances since audible differences have been proven under some circumstances--only as you say, those circumstances aren't likely in an intelligently put together audiophile system. Which is exactly what I've been saying.

See how clever Pat D is? Debate Pat on wires and he'll make statements that lead you to believe he doesn't believe wires are audibly different. Call him on this and he'll demand proof where he ever said all wires sound the same. Yet he actually believes the circumstances where wires could sound different aren't likely in an intelligently put together audiophile system. Which is essentially all wires we would be speaking about!

So it's catch 22. Everytime you talk about the typical music lovers audio system, which will be an intelligently put together audiophile system Pat D won't believe there'll be audible differences in wires. Yet because it's been proven "scientifically" I guess that 20 or 30 ft wires cab audibly be different, Pat will claim he doesn't believe all wires wound the same. Yet in an intelligently put together audiophile system wires are inaudible, still it's been proven that 20 or 30 ft wires cab audibly be different, yet in an intelligently put together audiophile system wires are inaudible etc. A most clever audio politician, huh?

Keep enjoying the music -- Thetubeguy1954

It is impossible for a man to learn what he thinks he already knows. - Epictetus

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