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Oh, You, me, and everyone else, doesn't live in a literal world....

""First of all, who is calling you a liar? No one here.""

Not true, according to RBNG, - anyone who asserts that wires sound different are liars. That's exactly what he either said directly or implied through his "logic."

""Second, who is questioning your preferences for this or that product? Certainly not me.""

As I clearly stated in my post, - there resides the implication that "naysayers" attach their own value judgments and preconceived notions to each test, - implying that anyone who simply uses listening tests to evaluate equipment, (and isn't using stricter testing procedures, is engaging in "belief" instead of testing, - even bad testing. The clear conclusion to be drawn is that listening evaluations yield bad results). Again, the deduction to be drawn from methodolgy different from the strictist, RBNG procedures is that one is foolish to purchase that $4k amp when it cannot be "proven" to his satisfaction that it's different, or different enough, from/than a $1K amp.

""Third, since you say you haven't proved there were audible differences, why should you object when someone else points that out?""

I've proved it to my satisfaction, - just not his, - or whomever's. I don't object to the claim that I haven't proved it to my satisfaction. I object to the claim that "naysayers" don't recognize that it's just their satisfaction, - and not a universalizable maxim. And, - that that this never ends with just pointing it out, - but it extending it to mean a conclusion that is not applicable. In that, RBNG makes claim that unless we are stricter testers, - and follow his tests, - and "prove" it to his requirements, than we will end up with the "wrong" product: as if there is a right or wrong, which implies that all testing methods that don't mean his "burden of proof," are invalid.

It is too difficult, and/or not possible to attach to rigid performance values to art, or artisan products. Unless we can agree on an universal set of definitions and performance values, - we cannot attach a "rightness" and "wrongness" to products beyond our own unique tastes, biases, and idiosyncracies. In effect, RBNG is telling me that I'm wrong to like that Manley amp because I can't prove why. He's essentially saying that I'm wrong to like Manet instead of Monet because Monet was better....

Did he or anyone else use those exact same words verbatim? Of course not... But that doesn't make them any less true....



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