In Reply to: Dear me! I thought this was an audio discussion forum devoted to technical matters. posted by Pat D on December 13, 2006 at 07:51:38:
Pat,
I feel sorry for you, I really do. Analog Scott & I were simply discussing why attempting to debate with you intelligently is a lesson in futility and you somehow you twist that into being attacked? Pat you are way to paranoid. No one is out to get you. We simply don't wish to waste our time attempting to discuss/debate with people who use double-standards or play audio politics. You turned what was a harmless post into one that's starting to get personal because YOU brought it down that path.Now as far as your comment of: You still haven't told us what "audio politics" is. With some embarrassment I feel it necessary to inform you I most certainly did! But unfortunately it was obviously over your head or you would have understood that I had done so. Sorry about that, I truly am. I explained it as simply as I can. Perhaps you could print out what I wrote and have your wife or co-worker explain in to you?
Now you are absolutely 100% correct when you said what Analog Scott and I were discussing doesn't have anything to do with furthering audio discussions on such things as: 1) is DBT methodology is unreliable? 2)can you and others can actually detect the sonic differences between interconnects, 10 foot speaker wires, and numerous other things? 3) can the golden ears can hear what they claim they do? But then again as I've told once and now for a second time, why would it when the topic of our discussion was the futility of attempting to have a technical debate with you intelligently due to your use of double standards and playing audio politics.
In fact these comments of yours is just another fine example of Pat D's audio politics at work. You're behaving exactly like when you got caught attacking your own opinion of your speakers. Blame others, Switch the topic & Claim being misunderstood or tricked if unable to outright deny something. That's similair to what you're doing here once again.
First: Take the limelight off yourself by switching the blame to someone else. In this case you start with the tactic of attributing to others your short comings i.e, Logic has never been your (Pat D's) strong point.
Second: Now switch the actual topic being discussed (why attempting to debate with you intelligently is a lesson in futility)to what you want to talk about instead: You guys propose some universal negative propositions which you maintain I somehow must hold. GOD Pat this is getting old it really is. You're always whining about be misquoted, quoted out of context, being misunderstood, attacked, deceived or tricked etc., oh poor Pat. So many people don't understand him...
Third: You make claims that just aren't true, i.e. "When I prove that I don't hold them." You certainly haven't proven that to my or most likely bjh or Analog Scotts satisfaction.
Forth: Return to placing your attributes on others, you whine. Pat if anyone is whinning here it's you about being attacked & misunderstood.
Fifth: Return back to switching the actual topic (why attempting to debate with you intelligently is a lesson in futility) to: None of which has anything to do with proving you can hear what you claim to be able to.
Seems like people are finally seeing you for who you really are. You're constantly placing your attributes on others, switching from the actual topic being discussed, whining and claiming to be either quoted out of context, misquoted, misunderstood or attacked. Finally when none of those work for you, you just ignore what the poster said and insult them.
Now as there's nothing more constructive to be said about this topic and IMHO it will only digress further & further (just like when I attempted discussing my opinion of your and my speakers with you) this will be my final post on the matter. Now Pat I'll leave you to have the last word which you so desperately crave and always seem to have.
Keep enjoying the music -- Thetubeguy1954
It is impossible for a man to learn what he thinks he already knows. - Epictetus
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Follow Ups
- Another Audio Politican Post (Analog Scott Read This) - thetubeguy1954 12:49:37 12/13/06 (25)
- Short questionnaire - Pat D 13:21:25 12/13/06 (24)
- I have already addressed the double standard - Analog Scott 20:32:43 12/13/06 (23)
- Analog Scott This Is Just More Pat D Audio Politics In Action. - thetubeguy1954 07:20:51 12/14/06 (7)
- Man! You'll do anything to avoid proving your audio claims! - Pat D 12:17:37 12/14/06 (6)
- It's Impossibel Prove Them To An Audio Politican Like You Pat - thetubeguy1954 06:58:10 12/15/06 (5)
- See what I mean? TG54 continues to not prove his claims! (nt) - Pat D 07:42:37 12/15/06 (4)
- See what I mean? Pat D-Cake Continues To Audio Politician !(nt) - thetubeguy1954 08:56:02 12/15/06 (3)
- If only someone could explain what "audio politician" means . . . - Pat D 13:25:09 12/15/06 (2)
- I gave you Bunburyist above - kerr 13:53:30 12/15/06 (1)
- Re: I gave you Bunburyist above - Pat D 15:42:41 12/15/06 (0)
- No, you haven't. You just made up a straw man 'belief' for me.. - Pat D 06:10:35 12/14/06 (14)
- Yes I have. nt - Analog Scott 00:08:07 12/16/06 (13)
- I'm glad to see you finally admit it. - Pat D 11:12:14 12/16/06 (12)
- That I have addressed any relevant questions about your double standards? I admitted that a long time ago - Analog Scott 19:07:05 12/16/06 (11)
- I have no obligation to defend positions I don't hold. (nt) - Pat D 21:01:12 12/16/06 (10)
- You do hold them though. - Analog Scott 12:03:00 12/17/06 (9)
- "can't deal " with what, my son? I certainly can deal with your false statements about me. - Pat D 18:31:54 12/17/06 (8)
- Such as? - Analog Scott 21:42:26 12/17/06 (7)
- You make a lot of false statement about what my opinions are but provide no evidence. See link. - Pat D 20:37:55 12/18/06 (3)
- Failure to support your ridiculous alegations noted a second time.. - Analog Scott 20:43:45 12/18/06 (2)
- Is "alegation" a sort of energy drink? (nt) - Pat D 20:57:19 12/18/06 (1)
- No just a spelling error. something anyone with any smarts would see - Analog Scott 21:32:32 12/18/06 (0)
- Failure to support your false alegations against me is duly noted. nt - Analog Scott 09:37:12 12/18/06 (2)
- I thought "alegation" was a kind of sports drink. (nt) - Pat D 20:42:38 12/18/06 (1)
- That makes sense givn what you think about audio and fair conversations. - Analog Scott 21:34:21 12/18/06 (0)