In Reply to: Sorry you didn't understand the point posted by Analog Scott on December 13, 2006 at 17:25:27:
No one knows what you perceive internally, but whether you actually are detecting differences in the sound can be determined. Often this perception is distinguished from hearing to talk about this. People often perceive differences when there are none: it's not imagination, it's simply the way perception works. And that is a scientific issue.Nor do you need any particular technical knowledge to prove that there is an audible difference--only how to do a controlled DBT or SBT. You will need technical knowledge to determine what the difference is.
You should do a search under jj.
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- Perception isn't the issue, but detection. - Pat D 19:26:01 12/13/06 (62)
- No perception is the issue. What else is there in the end in audio? nt - Analog Scott 20:07:53 12/13/06 (61)
- But how do you establish what you perceive is due to the equipment? - Pat D 05:51:12 12/14/06 (60)
- Why do I need to establish what I perceive is due to the equipment? - Analog Scott 00:05:06 12/16/06 (24)
- You don't! Ah, so many confusions . . . - Pat D 09:27:03 12/16/06 (23)
- You do seem to be quite confused - Analog Scott 10:22:37 12/16/06 (22)
- Ahh, here's the guy who set out to "expose" me! Reduced to muttering epigrams . . . - Pat D 10:59:12 12/16/06 (21)
- You have been exposed even if you don't see it... - Analog Scott 16:37:19 12/16/06 (20)
- In your dreams, maybe . . . - Pat D 18:45:43 12/16/06 (19)
- No, it is clear to anyone who wants to read this thread - Analog Scott 19:04:33 12/16/06 (18)
- I have no obligation to defend things you make up for me. (nt) - Pat D 21:09:42 12/16/06 (17)
- prove that I am making things up? - Analog Scott 12:00:28 12/17/06 (16)
- Child's play, my son. - Pat D 18:26:39 12/17/06 (15)
- And yet you fail to do so - Analog Scott 21:39:06 12/17/06 (14)
- The "failure" is your failure to provide evidence for your allegations. (nt) - Pat D 06:57:30 12/18/06 (13)
- Wrong again. You are the one failing to provide any evidence for your assertions - Analog Scott 09:34:06 12/18/06 (12)
- John Clease is a comedian, isn't he? - Pat D 17:54:56 12/18/06 (11)
- You are just catching on? - Analog Scott 20:41:03 12/18/06 (10)
- I have known for some time you haven't been interested in carrying on an honest discussion. - Pat D 20:53:04 12/18/06 (9)
- Only when it became clear you were not interested in an honest discussion - Analog Scott 21:28:46 12/18/06 (8)
- Did you ever meet Echo? (nt) - Pat D 05:38:34 12/19/06 (7)
- Thank you for finally conceding my point. - Analog Scott 22:33:47 12/19/06 (6)
- You had a point? And how are you and Echo getting along? (nt) - Pat D 23:09:10 12/19/06 (5)
- Sorry you lack the smarts to understand what is being said - Analog Scott 22:12:48 12/20/06 (4)
- I do have the smarts to realize one can't prove the null hypothesis. - Pat D 07:08:54 12/21/06 (3)
- You don't have the smarts to understnad what is being said though. So how - Analog Scott 15:15:13 12/22/06 (2)
- Are you trying to see how far off the screen we can get this thread to go? (nt) - Pat D 18:02:49 12/23/06 (1)
- No. Are you? - Analog Scott 09:04:08 12/24/06 (0)
- Bowing At The JJ Alter Pat? - thetubeguy1954 07:57:01 12/14/06 (34)
- jj is a world-class expert in audio DBTs. - Pat D 08:55:44 12/14/06 (33)
- He also doesn't insist that audiophiles do DBTs nt - Analog Scott 00:06:21 12/16/06 (24)
- Neither do I. - Pat D 09:58:16 12/16/06 (23)
- LOL - Analog Scott 11:47:11 12/16/06 (22)
- I have no obligation to defend figments of your imagination. (nt) - Pat D 21:05:43 12/16/06 (21)
- You are the one imagining things - Analog Scott 12:01:43 12/17/06 (20)
- I'm not imagining this post full of false statements about me. - Pat D 18:35:47 12/17/06 (19)
- You are imagining a great deal. - Analog Scott 21:40:46 12/17/06 (18)
- Have you no shame, sir? - Pat D 06:10:44 12/18/06 (17)
- Have you no shame? You can't even cite one quote where I say anything untrue about you - Analog Scott 09:35:30 12/18/06 (16)
- Where have I said you quoted me? Come on laddie! - Pat D 17:48:46 12/18/06 (9)
- why are you asking yet another irrelevant question? - Analog Scott 20:42:26 12/18/06 (8)
- You brought up the suject of quotations my son. So you now admit bringing up irrelevancies. (nt) - Pat D 20:49:35 12/18/06 (7)
- No I did not bring up the topic of quotations per se - Analog Scott 21:30:49 12/18/06 (6)
- Ah yes, more examples of good old Honest Analog Scott! - Pat D 05:41:21 12/19/06 (5)
- Thank you for finally admitting I was the honest one. nt - Analog Scott 22:35:10 12/19/06 (4)
- Irony is lost on you. (nt) - Pat D 23:11:10 12/19/06 (3)
- If that were true you wouldn't be so amusing to me - Analog Scott 22:14:01 12/20/06 (2)
- Yeah, I know. To amuse yourself you are willing to say anything, true or untrue. (nt) - Pat D 18:04:52 12/21/06 (1)
- Wrong again - Analog Scott 15:16:26 12/22/06 (0)
- Re: Have you no shame? You can't even cite one quote where I say anything untrue about you - thetubeguy1954 13:59:59 12/18/06 (5)
- I'm glad to see you are starting to admit your shortcomings, Tom. - Pat D 17:52:07 12/18/06 (4)
- You Keep Proving I'm Correct About You Pat - thetubeguy1954 07:35:58 12/19/06 (3)
- Is this like where you tell us what you *would* hear in a DBT if you actually did one? - Pat D 07:52:56 12/19/06 (2)
- No This Is Where You Change The Topic As Usual - thetubeguy1954 14:09:36 12/19/06 (1)
- No, you just make empty promises. 9nt) - Pat D 14:59:56 12/19/06 (0)
- In Your OPINION That Is... - thetubeguy1954 08:52:33 12/15/06 (2)
- And oh yeah...jj is a Fellow of the AES. - Pat D 10:52:15 12/15/06 (0)
- You really must learn about 'some' and 'every' . . . - Pat D 10:49:18 12/15/06 (0)
- JJ, the guy who had a penchant for demanding apologies (seemed like every other post), - bjh 04:37:20 12/15/06 (4)
- Were you one of those attacking his professional qualifications, and then refusing to apologize? - Pat D 07:22:22 12/15/06 (3)
- "Felony"! Woah!, talk about drama! Oh I guess a little sympathy is called for, after all ... - bjh 07:47:09 12/15/06 (2)
- You might look up the word "metaphor." - Pat D 07:57:48 12/15/06 (1)
- Pest _nt - bjh 09:34:41 12/15/06 (0)