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This Is A PERFECT Example Of "Audio Politics?"

Pat this is a PERFECT example of you playing Audio Politician. As I stated previously you never actually win a debate or prove your point, but rather you mis-direct and twist what's been actually said to fit what you believe. Menwhile you're accusing others of doing the very same things! So someone who behaves like you do is guilty of playing "audio politics!" So there's your explinantion.

Another example of your "audio politics" is the catch 22 you set up about the audibilty of wires. Everytime you debate anyone about the typical music lovers audio system, which will be an intelligently put together audiophile system, you, Pat D don't believe there'll be audible differences in wires. Yet because it's been proven "scientifically" (or so I assume, because you always want science to verify what's heard) that 20 or 30 ft wires can audibly be different, you'll now claim this proves you doesn't believe all wires sound the same. That allows you to ride both sides of the fence, which is what politicians do Pat. In all actuality you believe an intelligently put together system won't have audible differences in wires, which is essentially ALL audio systems or 99.99999999999999999999999999% of what we'll be debating about here in Prop Head Forum all the time! So when a proponent or subjectivist states that you believe all wires sound the same you'll pull the obscure 20-30ft wires can sound audibly different trick out of your hat. This in turn allows you to play a little Catch-22 game while debating the proponents of audible differences in wires. i.e. in an intelligently put together audiophile system wires are inaudible, still it's been proven that 20 or 30 ft wires can audibly be different so see I don't believe ALL wires sound the same, yet in an intelligently put together audiophile system which is essentially all systems, wires are inaudible, still it's been proven that 20 or 30 ft wires can audibly be different so see I don't believe ALL wires sound the same, yet in an intelligently put together audiophile system which is essentially all systems, wires are inaudible, etc. As I've said before you're a most clever audio politician.

You're even playing audio politican here. Why? Because Analog Scott and I were talking about you and how it's impossible to actually debate you because you use "double-standards" as Analog Scott said and play "audio-politics" as I said. Your being an audio politicain is displayed when you responded by changing the topic being discussed into:

How does catching me in a careless statement among numerous postings do anything of the following:

1) show DBT methodology is unreliable?
2) show that you, Tom, and others can actually detect the sonice differences between interconnects, 10 foot speaker wires, and numerous other things?
3) show that the golden ears can hear what they claim they do?

This is a classic example of you first mis-directing and then twisting the topic to be what you want to talk about. Neither Analog Scott nor I claimed that what you did had anything to do with the 3 questions you asked. What Analog Scott and I were actually discussing was the futility of debating one such as yourself who uses "double-standards" and plays "audio-politics." So now Pat please tell us how raising the 3 questions you did in any way, shape or form addresses the topic Analog Scott and I were discussing! It doesn't and you know it doesn't.

What it proves is you play audio politician. What you're doing now is exactly the same thing you did when you got caught attacking your own opinion of your speakers. Just like that time you're now attempting to redirect the entire issue Analog Scott and I were discussing. The issue is no longer about the double-standards & audio politics of Pat D. Oh no, now the issue is about how Pat wants to know, How does catching him in a careless statement among numerous postings do anything of the following: 1) show DBT methodology is unreliable? 2) show that you, Tom, and others can actually detect the sonice differences between interconnects, 10 foot speaker wires, and numerous other things? 3) show that the golden ears can hear what they claim they do?

It's just one more fine example of Pat D's audio politics in action via mis-directing and twisting what's been actually said to fit what you believe or in this case actually want to talk about. Face Pat it appears others are finally catching on to your tactics. Heck even bjh told you Enough BS ... consider yourself ignored. I think kerr summed you up pretty well when he said "When I demand something and no one drops it at my feet (most of the time), I go find it myself. You prefer to wait until someone drops it at your feet, all the while demanding someone do so." That's you in a nutshell Pat. You're always demanding, never giving, assuming without ever asking a question and when people don't respond to your demands you act as if their unable or incompetent with comments like Can't understand the issues, eh? or something else derogatory like that. It seems that people are finally seeing you for who you really are.

Keep enjoying the music -- Thetubeguy1954

It is impossible for a man to learn what he thinks he already knows. - Epictetus

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