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In Reply to: Pat, Pat, Pat... posted by thetubeguy1954 on December 6, 2006 at 06:35:18:
You seem to consistently fail to realize that it doesn't matter to the subject matter whether an ad hominem is true or not."I use a person's own words against them to talk about the subject matter."
Do you even realize how silly that statement is? You just said "against them" and then propose this is somehow to talk about "the subject matter." You have again illustrated what I said.
Then, you go on again against me, rather than saying something about audio:
"I was speaking about exchanging Quad ESL-63's which many consider to be a world-class speaker for Paradigm Signature S2s which outside of Stereophile, many consider to be upper mid-fi or lower hi-fi at best."
So? Incompetent, irrelevant, and immaterial. What my system is or whether I have a system at all doesn't prove anything either way about the audibility of wires, audible differences among amps, or how good various products are. And since that's the sole reason you have brought up your opinions of my system (and morricab, who is much nicer than you, also uses this invalid argument), it really is a circumstantial ad hominem--not that you seem to be above using straight ad hominems, which morricab tends to avoid, I think.
One could just as easily say that "many" didn't like the Quad ESL-63 so well and that "many" think the Paradigm Signature speakers are top drawer superb--including the folks at Soundstage and AIG, who, like Stereophile, also do fairly extensive measurements. It might interest you to know that the late Richard C. Heyser did his usual set of measurements and developed some special ones for the Quad ESL-63, and was not all that impressed with them overall, including in his listening. I happen to like them a lot. It's bad enough to use an ad hominem, and even worse when it's false!
I am again wondering whether you have actually heard the Quad ESL-63 (you don't say you have) or are just relying on third party reports.
"Now Pat when I consider that you've made that speaker exchange, along with your opinions of wires and solid state audio components, it says enough to me!"
You continue to reiterate that you are arguing against a person rather than his position, and that you use ad hominems instead of supporting your own position and proving that you can hear what you claim you can. In other words, you argue against the person rather than dealing with audio.
My remark about you not knowing much about room acoustics was to show that you actually have no idea why I changed from the Quads to forward radiating speakers. It's an inference which might be incorrect (though I doubt it), but not a circumstantial ad hominem.
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Follow Ups
- Cheap debating tricks? - Pat D 07:56:43 12/06/06 (4)
- Cheap debating tricks, are being used by you Pat! I Give Up... - thetubeguy1954 14:19:09 12/06/06 (3)
- Put up or shut up!. - Pat D 15:53:56 12/06/06 (2)
- Just Learn To Read Pat - thetubeguy1954 07:14:00 12/07/06 (1)
- No, in context, your remarks are to invalidly argue against my audio philosophy by bashing my system and choices! - Pat D 08:05:21 12/08/06 (0)
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