In Reply to: Re: The 47 Labs DAC and transport don't measure particularly badly. posted by Pat D on November 15, 2006 at 20:12:08:
Hi Pat,Well as you've heard the 47 Labs personally you're one up on me in that area. To you it didn't sound special and to Harry Pearson it's ...the very best CD playback system (he's) heard yet. I find the vast difference in your opinions to be quite interesting.
As I haven't heard the 47 Labs myself and I know my beliefs and preferences are closer to HP's than yours, I think I'll give more credence to his opinion. That's not meant as a slight to you in anyway. I've never auditioned any components and compared notes with you. However I've heard components HP has reviewed in the past and agreed more often than disagreed with his assessment of them. So that why his opinion gets more credence from me.
Perhaps to notice just how good the 47 Labs is would require having it in a system like the one HP did? HP was using the 47 Labs with Hanson Audio King speakers @ $60K (which HP said were in my paraphrase the superior of virtually every enclosure-type speaker which he's had experience with!) Burmester 04 preamp & 911 amps @ $44K, all Nordost Valhalla wires and Nordost's Thor power conditioner to boot @ GOD knows how many $K! The result? According to HP "...the results not quite literally, but almost---took my breath away."
As far as the Paradigm's I remembered awhile back you asked AJinFLA "How do the Summa and the Orion compare soundwise? They're quite different designs and people here who have heard either one say they're excellent." to which I said " "Pat why do you care when your Paradigm S2's have as you say smooth accurate response, excellent stereo imaging, deep bass response to below 20 Hz and more than adequate volume levels." Which started that whole giant fiasco between us when you responded "That's one of the silliest remarks you have made so far! I have to chuckle. It's quite obvious you are NOT familiar with my speakers, though in other threads you have had the gall to comment on them." because you missed where I said as you say and thought those were my opinion of the S2's when I was quoting your opinion of them from your remarks in Inmates Systems.
In any event not wishing to rehash that again, I knew you weren't looking for new speakers and appear quite happy with what you own. So I thought maybe you'd be interested in tweaking better performance from them. I said UPGRADE, not REPLACE. I thought you might wish to contact Paradigm about the possibilty of replacing your current tweeter & midbass with their new beryllium-dome tweeters and cobalt infused aluminium mid/bass drivers. As the cost increase is quite modest on the S8 the price changed only $200pr from $6500 to $6700. I cannot see how it could cost anymore than that to upgrade your tweeter & midbass as well. Heck if you get a chance go listen to the new version and if it does actually sound better a $200 investment might be well worth the improvement, no? Just thought this might be an upgrade worth looking into (I know I'd look into if Aliante made such an upgrade available for only $200) Believe it or not I was trying to help you not hurt you...
Keep enjoying the music -- Thetubeguy1954
It is impossible for a man to learn what he thinks he already knows. - Epictetus
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Follow Ups
- Re: The 47 Labs DAC and transport don't measure particularly badly. - thetubeguy1954 09:04:14 11/16/06 (40)
- Yes, I have heard 47 Labs and you haven't. - Pat D 14:36:53 11/16/06 (39)
- Re: Yes, I have heard 47 Labs and you haven't. - thetubeguy1954 06:55:42 11/17/06 (33)
- Re: Yes, I have heard 47 Labs and you haven't. - Pat D 12:28:56 11/17/06 (32)
- Re: Yes, I have heard 47 Labs and you haven't. - thetubeguy1954 13:41:43 11/17/06 (31)
- Re: Yes, I have heard 47 Labs and you haven't. - Pat D 15:32:36 11/17/06 (30)
- Re: Yes, I have heard 47 Labs and you haven't. - thetubeguy1954 09:19:20 11/20/06 (29)
- Re: Yes, I have heard 47 Labs and you haven't. - Pat D 09:32:10 11/21/06 (28)
- OK Pat, But I Did Compare the Aliantes vs The Paradigm. - thetubeguy1954 11:36:55 11/21/06 (27)
- Re: OK Pat, But I Did Compare the Aliantes vs The Paradigm. - Pat D 14:48:57 11/21/06 (26)
- Re: OK Pat, But I Did Compare the Aliantes vs The Paradigm. - thetubeguy1954 08:16:42 11/22/06 (25)
- You keep on making up opinions and motives for me. I thought you were giving that up . . . - Pat D 21:29:04 11/22/06 (24)
- That's YOUR Interpretation, It's Not What I Said or Meant. - thetubeguy1954 13:20:10 11/27/06 (23)
- Nope! At this point I can read you like a book. (nt) - Pat D 15:38:17 11/27/06 (22)
- Pat You Believe You Can Read Me Just Like The Book Called War & Peace, After You've Read The Comic Book Version. - thetubeguy1954 09:39:21 11/29/06 (21)
- You haven't even heard the Sonus Faber Cremon Auditor - Pat D 10:56:13 11/29/06 (20)
- Nor Have I Ever Claimed To! - thetubeguy1954 13:20:07 11/29/06 (19)
- No, but you compare the SF Cremona Auditor to other speakers! - Pat D 15:00:49 11/29/06 (18)
- And I've Told You How & Why I did That Many Times Now... - thetubeguy1954 09:48:37 11/30/06 (17)
- Tom tries to justify comparing the sound of speakers he has never heard! - Pat D 00:50:02 12/01/06 (16)
- Pat tries to justify his disapproval of my opinion of the SF Cremona Auditor ! - thetubeguy1954 06:31:28 12/01/06 (15)
- Would you review a theatre performance you never attended? - Pat D 08:22:36 12/01/06 (14)
- Let It Go Pat, Let It Go - thetubeguy1954 13:16:36 12/01/06 (13)
- Hey, it's OK as long as Tom is "comfortable!" - Pat D 17:55:13 12/01/06 (12)
- You're Finally Getting It Pat - thetubeguy1954 18:16:54 12/03/06 (11)
- Irony is lost on you, I think. (nt) - Pat D 19:36:34 12/03/06 (10)
- It's Not Lost, I Just Don't Accept Your Version Of It - thetubeguy1954 12:53:42 12/04/06 (9)
- My concern is that you don't discuss logically. - Pat D 14:45:12 12/04/06 (8)
- Re: My concern is that you don't discuss logically. - thetubeguy1954 08:44:30 12/05/06 (7)
- Re: My concern is that you don't discuss logically. - Pat D 09:04:20 12/05/06 (6)
- Pat, Pat, Pat... - thetubeguy1954 06:35:18 12/06/06 (5)
- Cheap debating tricks? - Pat D 07:56:43 12/06/06 (4)
- Cheap debating tricks, are being used by you Pat! I Give Up... - thetubeguy1954 14:19:09 12/06/06 (3)
- Put up or shut up!. - Pat D 15:53:56 12/06/06 (2)
- Just Learn To Read Pat - thetubeguy1954 07:14:00 12/07/06 (1)
- No, in context, your remarks are to invalidly argue against my audio philosophy by bashing my system and choices! - Pat D 08:05:21 12/08/06 (0)
- Re: Yes, I have heard 47 Labs and you haven't. - morricab 00:50:30 11/17/06 (4)
- Re: Yes, I have heard 47 Labs and you haven't. - Pat D 07:13:18 11/17/06 (3)
- Restricted LF??? - kerr 16:59:09 11/17/06 (2)
- I beg your pardon. - Pat D 17:33:51 11/17/06 (1)
- No need - my mistake - kerr 06:08:50 11/18/06 (0)