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Nor Have I Ever Claimed To!

Posted by thetubeguy1954 (A) on November 29, 2006 at 13:20:07

In Reply to: You haven't even heard the Sonus Faber Cremon Auditor posted by Pat D on November 29, 2006 at 10:56:13:

Pat,

I see your now back to the ad hominem defense Pat. GOD it just eats at you that I find your speakers to be mid-fi doesn't it? Please cite where I have directly stated I've heard or compared the Sonus Faber Cremona Auditor to ANY other speaker! You can't because I haven't. What I specifically told you Pat was "I have not yet heard the SF Cremona Auditor, however I was told by a person visiting my home and by the person who sold me the Aliantes, the SF Cremona Auditor & the Aliante Pinafarina Ones sound more alike than dissimilar. If that's true and I don't know if it is then I have a good idea of what the Sonus Fabers sound like.

As you well know the ONLY direct comparison I made was of the Aliantes Pinafarina Ones vs the Paradigm Signature S2s side-by-side in the same room on the same system, that's all I've ever told you I did Pat. I also mentioned when you asked me this question: I'm wondering how you can assess the SF Cremona Auditor if you haven't heard them? That I had been told the Aliantes sound very much like the SF Cremona Auditor. IIRC I also mentioned it was the man who sold me the Aliantes who told me that. So yes I trusted another person's judgement. Why would I do that? Well for a couple of reasons:

1) The man who sold me the Aliantes compared them directly to the SF Cremona Auditor, in the same room, using all the same components. After doing that he actually prefered the Aliantes Pinafarina Ones at that price point, so he bought them. Does that mean I'd agree 100% with his opinion? I don't know, like you said I haven't personally heard SF Cremona Auditor.

2) The sonic characteristics he ascribed to the Aliantes is basically what I hear as well. So as we appear to "hear" the same sonic characteristics in the Aliantes, I believe the chances are I'd agree with his assessment of the SF Cremona Auditor as well.

3) Then I had to weigh his opinion against yours, a person, who heard different things than I did when I compared the Paradigm Sig S2 to the Aliante Pinafarina One. A person who also doesn't believe the same things I do about audio components and wires etc.

So I decide in that case to err on the side of caution and agree with the person who hears what I hear and believes what I believe. Now Pat please cite for me where I've stated that I've compared the Sonus Faber Cremona Auditor directly with either the Aliante Pinafarina Ones or your Paradigm Signature S2's, if you can. But I know you can't because I didn't.
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I appears what really gets your goat Pat is that in a direct comparison of my Aliante Pinafarina Ones vs your Paradigm Signature S2's, I found the S2s to be sadly lacking and not worth even the $600pr asking price used. Now THAT'S definitely what I'd call a personal problem. Why you'd even care what I think of your speakers, especially if you honestly believe what you claim "It's true I think my main speakers are first class..." is completely beyond me. But Pat you also have so many buttons it's almost impossible not to push some of them, even when I'm being civil and truthful. I'm sorry about that, I really am. As I've told you at least 3x now, I'm not trying to hurt you, but rather I wanted to help you. That's why I mentioned the possible upgrade being available for your speakers. If you're happy with them, that's wonderful for you! Now there's a chance you can further improve apon the sound you like so much.
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I'm more than a bit surprised that in defense of your choice of this speaker of which you think so highly of and I consider to be mid-fi, you want to start bring up comments I made about your system back in September. As you well know I'm trying to address people differently now, so why you'd want to dredge up the past is beyond me. Unfortunately even in doing so you mistakenly believe it was for the precise purpose trying to discredit your opinions on audio. Pat when will you realize that ones opinions cannot be discredited because they are only opinions. So there's no right or wrong to them, thus how can they be discredited?

However if and when one starts to state that they believe their speakers are first class like you did here. "It's true I think my main speakers are first class..." and then that person uses an appeal to authority by adding that "...some excellent speaker reviewers such as John Atkinson, Andrew Marshall, and Doug Schneider." agrees with their assessment as if that provides "proof" that their opinion is correct. Like you did here:

http://www.audioasylum.com/forums/prophead/messages/25691.html

Then that's a bit different. The comment now becomes more than just your opinion. Because now you're using Stereophiles placement of your speakers in Class A (Restricted LF) as a defense of your belief. Now it's being stated as more than just an opinion, but now it's being stated more like a fact of which you can verify is true by providing proof via the words of some "knowledgeable and experienced people!" as you called them. But even if it remains solely your opinion it's one I disagree with 100% after doing a direct comparison of the Aliantes Pinafarina Ones vs the Paradigm Signature S2s side-by-side in the same room on the same system.

So Pat if anyone here is making an ad hominem argument, it's you and your appeal to authority or argumentum ad verecundiam, in the defense of your opinion. You're also mistaken when you claim I've done anything more than come to my conclusion that the Paradigm Signature S2s are mid-fi speakers based on a direct comparison to Aliantes Pinafarina Ones. If this opinion of mine bothers you so much, why not let it go? After doing my direct comparison, I'm not about to change my mind about the Paradigm Signature S2.

Keep enjoying the music -- Thetubeguy1954

It is impossible for a man to learn what he thinks he already knows. - Epictetus

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