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Re: Yes, I have heard 47 Labs and you haven't.

Hi Pat,

I don't know why you'd find it strange that I'd take HP's word for the sound quality of the 47 Labs component. I explained to you that in the past when I was able to audition components HP had reviewed, more often I agreed than disagreed with his assessment of those components. So considering that, chances are most likely I'd agree with his assessment again. It's not a 100% certainty, but it's more likely than not. Then of course one needs to consider that:

1) HP auditioned the component on a group of very well respected components
2) My beliefs and preferences in audio are closer to HP's than they are to yours.

So yes I trusted HP's assessment of the 47 Labs component over yours. That of course could change if I heard it myself and disagreed with HP's assessment, but until that happens, I'll give his opinion the benefit of the doubt. That's really not much different than when you said I have to take JA's word for it, is it? You'll accept JA's word about how the 47 Lab measures, but it's strange if I accept HP's word about how the 47 Labs sounds? IMHO you're doing the same thing I am, just in a different area about the 47 Lab component.
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Our differences beliefs and preferences in audio is brought into light by what you said in the last paragraph of your post. I don't personally believe your Paradigm Signature S2 speakers are first class. When I did a direct comparison with the Aliante Pinafarina Ones I found the Aliante's to be considerably better and I don't even believe the Aliante's are first class. Which is why I am restoring the RCA LC9A's!

Now as far as John Atkinson, Andrew Marshall, and Doug Schneider being considered "excellent speaker reviewers" like you said they are. I have to tell you Pat that I have serious doubts in that area as well. If they really believe the Paradigm Signature S2 speakers are worthy of Class A Restricted LF status in Stereophile's Recommended Components list. I find their judgement to be quite suspect. Pat I understand there a degrees within a given Class of audio components, just like 90-100 is A in school. However in Stereophile's own words Class A components must have, which means this MUST define the Paradigm Sig. S2s, "The best attainable sound for a component of it's kind, almost without practical considerations; "the least musical compromise. A Class A system is one for which you don't have to make a leap of faith to believe you are hearing the real thing. Sorry but that doesn't describe the Paradigm Sig. S2s at all. I've heard the Paradigm Sig. S2, they're not a bad speaker, but they are hardly capable of producing the best attainable sound for a component of it's kind, almost without practical considerations. They don't respresent the least musical compromise in speakers, nor did they replicate music wherein I didn't have to make a leap of faith to believe I am hearing the real thing either. Even the Aliante's were considerably better and I don't even think they should honestly be rated Class A. Not when there are other 2-way monitor-type speakers like the Magico Mini or some of the more expensive Sonus Fabers and that's only looking at monitor type. Think of how many floor standing speakers fit into this catagory as well and you'll see why I don't find the 2-way, monitor-type Paradigm Sig S2 worthy of being in Class A, even when the Restricted LF status is added.

Pat it's not meant as a slight, I'm not including my speakers here either. If you honestly believe your Paradigm Sig. S2s are capable of the best attainable sound for a component of it's kind, almost without practical onsiderations and provide you with the least musical compromise of all speakers that are of restricted LF status, so be it! But if that's the case you must be fairly well convinced you're hearing live music when you turn your system on, because a Class A system is one for which you don't have to make a leap of faith to believe you are hearing the real thing, or say JA says.

I am in 100% complete agreement that there are a number of interesting speakers designs out there. Like you, I would like to audition many of them. Like you said, Why shouldn't I? The the Summa doesn't intrigue me and the Orion would require too many extra amps, wires, etc for me to be seriously interested in them, although I'd still like to hear them someday. Pat I am only stating my opinion, please don't get defensive, ok? Like you or someone else here once told me, not agreeing with you is not the same as attacking you.

Keep enjoying the music -- Thetubeguy1954

It is impossible for a man to learn what he thinks he already knows. - Epictetus



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