In Reply to: Re: OK Pat, But I Did Compare the Aliantes vs The Paradigm. posted by Pat D on November 21, 2006 at 14:48:57:
Pat,You asked me: I'm wondering how you can assess the SF Cremona Auditor if you haven't heard them.
I know I informed you I had been told the Aliantes sound very much like the SF Cremona Auditor. IIRC I also mentioned it was the man who sold me the Aliantes who told me that. So yes I trusted another person's judgement, very much like you want me to trust yours. What I didn't tell you then, because I didn't want to appear like I was disparging your speakers, was that the man who sold me the Aliantes compared them directly to the SF Cremona Auditor, in the same room, using all the same components. After doing that he actually prefered the Aliantes Pinafarina Ones at that price point, so he bought them.
Does that mean I'd agree 100% with his opinion? I don't know, like you said I haven't personally heard SF Cremona Auditor. However the sonic characteristics he ascribed to the Aliantes is basically what I am hearing here as well. So we appear to "hear" the same things and chances are I'd agree with his assessment of the SF Cremona Auditor too. Then I have to weigh his opinion against yours, a person, who hears different things than I did when I compared the Paradigm Sig S2 to the Aliante Pinafarina One and who also doesn't believe the same things I do about differences in amps, wires etc. So in that case I'll err on the side of caution and agree with the person who hears what I hear and believes what I believe.
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Pat as far as your comment of: Again, I told you already that I do not accept the hype that goes with Stereophile's descriptions of their ratings for Recommended Components. I suppose I'll just have to telling you that, although so far it hasn't had any effect.Yes Pat you will have to keep repeating that as long as you keep mentioning Stereo-Review-Phile's Class A (Restricted LF) status of your speaker over & over again like you do as seen in these posts of yours...
1) I'm still quite pleased with my Paradigm Signature S2 speakers (which I notice have attained Class A Restricted LF status in Stereophile's Recommended Components)
http://www.audioasylum.com/forums/prophead/messages/25680.html2) It's true I think my main speakers are first class, along with some excellent speaker reviewers such as John Atkinson, Andrew Marshall, and Doug Schneider.
http://www.audioasylum.com/forums/prophead/messages/25691.html3) Stereophile puts the SF Cremona Auditor in Class B Retricted LF, but that is apparently another reviewer's opinion, whereas JA reviewed the S2.
http://www.audioasylum.com/forums/prophead/messages/25813.html4) ...my speakers judged by Stereophile to be Class A Restricted LF! You must be going by price and age because you can have no other objective basis for such an assessment.
http://www.audioasylum.com/forums/prophead/messages/25698.htmlSomeone who boasts about Stereophile's status of their speaker in their posts is hardly the actions of a person who does not accept the hype that goes with Stereophile's descriptions of their ratings for Recommended Components like you are now professing. So YES Pat I suppose you'll just have to telling me that. For your actions belie your words and keep them from having your desired effect. In any event this isn't meant to discredit you, but rather to explain why when you state you do not accept the hype that goes with Stereophile's descriptions of their ratings for Recommended Components, I have trouble accepting those words from you at their face value.
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Follow Ups
- Re: OK Pat, But I Did Compare the Aliantes vs The Paradigm. - thetubeguy1954 08:16:42 11/22/06 (25)
- You keep on making up opinions and motives for me. I thought you were giving that up . . . - Pat D 21:29:04 11/22/06 (24)
- That's YOUR Interpretation, It's Not What I Said or Meant. - thetubeguy1954 13:20:10 11/27/06 (23)
- Nope! At this point I can read you like a book. (nt) - Pat D 15:38:17 11/27/06 (22)
- Pat You Believe You Can Read Me Just Like The Book Called War & Peace, After You've Read The Comic Book Version. - thetubeguy1954 09:39:21 11/29/06 (21)
- You haven't even heard the Sonus Faber Cremon Auditor - Pat D 10:56:13 11/29/06 (20)
- Nor Have I Ever Claimed To! - thetubeguy1954 13:20:07 11/29/06 (19)
- No, but you compare the SF Cremona Auditor to other speakers! - Pat D 15:00:49 11/29/06 (18)
- And I've Told You How & Why I did That Many Times Now... - thetubeguy1954 09:48:37 11/30/06 (17)
- Tom tries to justify comparing the sound of speakers he has never heard! - Pat D 00:50:02 12/01/06 (16)
- Pat tries to justify his disapproval of my opinion of the SF Cremona Auditor ! - thetubeguy1954 06:31:28 12/01/06 (15)
- Would you review a theatre performance you never attended? - Pat D 08:22:36 12/01/06 (14)
- Let It Go Pat, Let It Go - thetubeguy1954 13:16:36 12/01/06 (13)
- Hey, it's OK as long as Tom is "comfortable!" - Pat D 17:55:13 12/01/06 (12)
- You're Finally Getting It Pat - thetubeguy1954 18:16:54 12/03/06 (11)
- Irony is lost on you, I think. (nt) - Pat D 19:36:34 12/03/06 (10)
- It's Not Lost, I Just Don't Accept Your Version Of It - thetubeguy1954 12:53:42 12/04/06 (9)
- My concern is that you don't discuss logically. - Pat D 14:45:12 12/04/06 (8)
- Re: My concern is that you don't discuss logically. - thetubeguy1954 08:44:30 12/05/06 (7)
- Re: My concern is that you don't discuss logically. - Pat D 09:04:20 12/05/06 (6)
- Pat, Pat, Pat... - thetubeguy1954 06:35:18 12/06/06 (5)
- Cheap debating tricks? - Pat D 07:56:43 12/06/06 (4)
- Cheap debating tricks, are being used by you Pat! I Give Up... - thetubeguy1954 14:19:09 12/06/06 (3)
- Put up or shut up!. - Pat D 15:53:56 12/06/06 (2)
- Just Learn To Read Pat - thetubeguy1954 07:14:00 12/07/06 (1)
- No, in context, your remarks are to invalidly argue against my audio philosophy by bashing my system and choices! - Pat D 08:05:21 12/08/06 (0)