In Reply to: OK Pat, But I Did Compare the Aliantes vs The Paradigm. posted by thetubeguy1954 on November 21, 2006 at 11:36:55:
I gave you a link to a White Paper by Dr. Floyd Toole but it seems to work only intermittently for some reason. The article in question is the last one on the list. His research is where I got the 300-400 Hz figure from, but please note I have not said the room has no effect above that. I link to a page where you can link to the list of White Papers. The last one is the most relevant.Why you are bringing in absorbtion rates at this point I can't say. This has to do with the waves traveling different paths interfering with each other in the bass and lower mids, producing an uneven response for the listener. Oh well, maybe if you look at Dr. Toole's graph.
Both show rooms were big enough that the speakers were 8 feet or more from the side walls, which is plenty, so the only near reflections were from the floor. As well, I only said I could get an idea of what the speakers "can" do (I heard them do it, after all!), not what they will do at home in a smaller acoustic. And, if a dealer is not willing to provide a reasonable placement for the speakers, then I will go elsewhere. But if a speaker isn't smooth, neutral, and wide dispersion in a decent set up in a show room, then it won't have those qualities at home. Trust me.
I haven't heard your speakers and know very little about them. Just going by what you say, I presume they are very good speakers. I'm wondering how you can assess the SF Cremona Auditor if you haven't heard them.
TG54
"Pat if you honestly believe that the Paradigm Sig S2 belongs in Class A (Restricted LF) which Stereophile defines "The best attainable sound for a component of it's kind, almost without practical considerations; "the least musical compromise. A Class A system is one for which you don't have to make a leap of faith to believe you are hearing the real thing."Again, I told you already that I do not accept the hype that goes with Stereophile's descriptions of their ratings for Recommended Components. I suppose I'll just have to telling you that, although so far it hasn't had any effect. Stereo isn't real, it's an illusion, it's not the real thing. But Stereophile did put the Paradigm S2 in their Class A Restricted LF--I had no influence on their decision to do so. So they must think highly of it. You don't have to agree with them.
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- Re: OK Pat, But I Did Compare the Aliantes vs The Paradigm. - Pat D 14:48:57 11/21/06 (26)
- Re: OK Pat, But I Did Compare the Aliantes vs The Paradigm. - thetubeguy1954 08:16:42 11/22/06 (25)
- You keep on making up opinions and motives for me. I thought you were giving that up . . . - Pat D 21:29:04 11/22/06 (24)
- That's YOUR Interpretation, It's Not What I Said or Meant. - thetubeguy1954 13:20:10 11/27/06 (23)
- Nope! At this point I can read you like a book. (nt) - Pat D 15:38:17 11/27/06 (22)
- Pat You Believe You Can Read Me Just Like The Book Called War & Peace, After You've Read The Comic Book Version. - thetubeguy1954 09:39:21 11/29/06 (21)
- You haven't even heard the Sonus Faber Cremon Auditor - Pat D 10:56:13 11/29/06 (20)
- Nor Have I Ever Claimed To! - thetubeguy1954 13:20:07 11/29/06 (19)
- No, but you compare the SF Cremona Auditor to other speakers! - Pat D 15:00:49 11/29/06 (18)
- And I've Told You How & Why I did That Many Times Now... - thetubeguy1954 09:48:37 11/30/06 (17)
- Tom tries to justify comparing the sound of speakers he has never heard! - Pat D 00:50:02 12/01/06 (16)
- Pat tries to justify his disapproval of my opinion of the SF Cremona Auditor ! - thetubeguy1954 06:31:28 12/01/06 (15)
- Would you review a theatre performance you never attended? - Pat D 08:22:36 12/01/06 (14)
- Let It Go Pat, Let It Go - thetubeguy1954 13:16:36 12/01/06 (13)
- Hey, it's OK as long as Tom is "comfortable!" - Pat D 17:55:13 12/01/06 (12)
- You're Finally Getting It Pat - thetubeguy1954 18:16:54 12/03/06 (11)
- Irony is lost on you, I think. (nt) - Pat D 19:36:34 12/03/06 (10)
- It's Not Lost, I Just Don't Accept Your Version Of It - thetubeguy1954 12:53:42 12/04/06 (9)
- My concern is that you don't discuss logically. - Pat D 14:45:12 12/04/06 (8)
- Re: My concern is that you don't discuss logically. - thetubeguy1954 08:44:30 12/05/06 (7)
- Re: My concern is that you don't discuss logically. - Pat D 09:04:20 12/05/06 (6)
- Pat, Pat, Pat... - thetubeguy1954 06:35:18 12/06/06 (5)
- Cheap debating tricks? - Pat D 07:56:43 12/06/06 (4)
- Cheap debating tricks, are being used by you Pat! I Give Up... - thetubeguy1954 14:19:09 12/06/06 (3)
- Put up or shut up!. - Pat D 15:53:56 12/06/06 (2)
- Just Learn To Read Pat - thetubeguy1954 07:14:00 12/07/06 (1)
- No, in context, your remarks are to invalidly argue against my audio philosophy by bashing my system and choices! - Pat D 08:05:21 12/08/06 (0)