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Not DO, But WHY Speakers Require A "Break-In" Period - thetubeguy1954 14:19:17 06/01/07 (61)
- RE: Not DO, But WHY Speakers Require A "Break-In" Period - andy19191 01:34:14 06/05/07 (6)
  - RE: Not DO, But WHY Speakers Require A "Break-In" Period - thetubeguy1954 06:37:22 06/05/07 (5)
    - "Most audio salons would be reluctant to let it go." Wise move; they know. nt - clarkjohnsen 12:06:01 06/05/07 (0)
    - RE: Not DO, But WHY Speakers Require A "Break-In" Period - andy19191 09:47:54 06/05/07 (3)
      - A Possible Solution - thetubeguy1954 07:47:13 06/06/07 (2)
        
        RE: A Possible Solution - andy19191 13:07:34 06/06/07 (1)
        
        We'll Just Have To Disagree - thetubeguy1954 06:49:29 06/07/07 (0)
- Speakers "break in" every day when the voice coils heat up but no one seems to hear that! - Richard BassNut Greene 14:09:31 06/03/07 (0)
- RE: Not DO, But WHY Speakers Require A "Break-In" Period - Pjay 06:42:48 06/03/07 (14)
  - Pjay FS and qts go down and VAS goes up when the voice coils heat up too! - Richard BassNut Greene 14:16:53 06/03/07 (5)
    - RE: Pjay FS and qts go down and VAS goes up when the voice coils heat up too! - Pjay 15:31:44 06/03/07 (0)
    - Don't be absurd Richard. Ears breaking in is Human psychology. For Audiophiles, it's cables, caps, etc. (nt) - AJinFLA 14:29:40 06/03/07 (3)
      - That's why I never trust - unclestu52 22:12:32 06/04/07 (2)
        
        Absolutely agree - AJinFLA 03:44:28 06/05/07 (1)
        
        Being totally off topic - unclestu52 12:34:17 06/05/07 (0)
  - "Break-In" Period... - mkuller 11:05:42 06/03/07 (7)
    - How long does it take for home electrical wiring to break in? (nt) - AJinFLA 14:34:26 06/03/07 (5)
      - 120V AC - is that going through your interconnects? (nt) - mkuller 10:31:52 06/04/07 (4)
        
        No, 120V AC is going through HOME ELECTRICAL WIRING. Now how long for "break-in"? Don't you know? Can't you hear it? nt - AJinFLA 14:01:54 06/04/07 (3)
        
        RE: No, 120V AC is going through HOME ELECTRICAL WIRING. Now how long for "break-in"? Don't you know? Can't you hear it - unclestu52 22:20:54 06/04/07 (2)
        
        His comments included that even his refrigerator seemed to be running colder. - AJinFLA 13:57:04 06/05/07 (1)
        
        I'll ask him - unclestu52 16:45:31 06/05/07 (0)
    - RE: "Break-In" Period... - Pjay 12:58:26 06/03/07 (0)
- Because speakers have Dynamic property. - Tony Montana 20:08:34 06/02/07 (0)
- To Learn How the Political Game is Played...... - Todd Krieger 14:16:43 06/02/07 (0)
- RE: Not DO, But WHY Speakers Require A "Break-In" Period - tomservo 09:47:23 06/02/07 (6)
  - Please help -- my speakers will not stop breaking in and I fear they are breaking down - Richard BassNut Greene 09:05:32 06/04/07 (5)
    - RE: Please help -- my speakers will not stop breaking in and I fear they are breaking down - tomservo 12:17:36 06/04/07 (1)
      - That is so true. - The Real Dick Hertz 14:43:32 06/04/07 (0)
    - The hard truth comes out! - kerr 09:13:52 06/04/07 (2)
      - Don't tell anyone and ... - Richard BassNut Greene 07:06:31 06/07/07 (1)
        
        That's a vicious rumor! - kerr 07:39:55 06/07/07 (0)
- Break-in is a measureable aspect of driver performance. - The Real Dick Hertz 08:40:24 06/02/07 (7)
  - RE: Break-in is a measureable aspect of driver performance. - unclestu52 11:11:53 06/02/07 (3)
    - RE: Break-in is a measureable aspect of driver performance. - AJinFLA 15:00:18 06/02/07 (0)
    - RE: Break-in is a measurable aspect of driver performance. - The Real Dick Hertz 11:37:24 06/02/07 (1)
      - RE: Break-in is a measurable aspect of driver performance. - unclestu52 19:04:04 06/02/07 (0)
  - Isn't it conceivable that after many hours, a loudspeaker can actually sound worse? Um, No - AJinFLA 08:53:59 06/02/07 (0)
  - "Isn't it conceivable that after many hours, a loudspeaker can actually sound worse?" Hmmm... - clarkjohnsen 08:52:55 06/02/07 (1)
    - RE: "Isn't it conceivable that after many hours, a loudspeaker can actually sound worse?" Hmmm... - mls-stl 09:22:48 06/02/07 (0)
- Maybe it's not the drivers but the *air inside*. Ever think of that? nt - clarkjohnsen 08:18:38 06/02/07 (1)
  - Ah. So all he needs is OB speakers. - AJinFLA 08:34:49 06/02/07 (0)
- RE: Not DO, But WHY Speakers Require A "Break-In" Period - unclestu52 01:43:46 06/02/07 (4)
  - RE: only believers need apply - mls-stl 05:07:50 06/02/07 (3)
    - Nope - unclestu52 10:58:38 06/02/07 (2)
      - RE: that's a pity - mls-stl 18:39:00 06/02/07 (1)
        
        I believe you've partially answered the question - unclestu52 19:20:21 06/02/07 (0)
- RE: a question - mls-stl 20:10:24 06/01/07 (13)
  - Excellent Points - thetubeguy1954 06:40:57 06/04/07 (12)
    - RE: no surprise - mls-stl 09:10:13 06/04/07 (11)
      - Yes Your Response Is No Surprise! - thetubeguy1954 12:52:13 06/04/07 (10)
        
        RE: lotsa words there, but... - mls-stl 15:02:23 06/04/07 (9)
        
        ever notice - unclestu52 00:15:38 06/06/07 (0)
        
        Lots Of Words To Explain What's Happening - thetubeguy1954 10:13:28 06/05/07 (6)
        
        RE: you're taking this far too seriously - mls-stl 21:01:23 06/05/07 (5)
        
        Not Really - thetubeguy1954 10:51:39 06/06/07 (4)
        
        RE: to sum it all up... - mls-stl 15:00:26 06/06/07 (3)
        
        Agreed.... - thetubeguy1954 05:47:17 06/07/07 (2)
        
        RE: Let us know if you get a chance to run your test. nt. - mls-stl 09:59:14 06/07/07 (1)
        
        I Thought As A Scientific Test Orientated Individual I'd Let YOU Run The Test (nt) - thetubeguy1954 11:40:15 06/07/07 (0)
        
        You'll know when the break-in process is complete... - SF tech 18:55:25 06/04/07 (0)
Harmonic distortion, a nice overview. - tomservo 07:15:34 06/01/07 (52)
- THD is Useless for Digital Audio....... - Todd Krieger 14:34:01 06/02/07 (10)
  - The article was not about the specifications of digital audio components - andy_c 20:02:18 06/03/07 (1)
    - RE: The article was not about the specifications of digital audio components - morricab 19:06:19 06/10/07 (0)
  - RE: THD is Useless for Digital Audio....... - tomservo 18:58:55 06/02/07 (3)
    - Gedlee metric - KlausR. 00:47:12 06/03/07 (1)
      - I Kind Of Like Nepeart Myself....... - Todd Krieger 05:10:06 06/03/07 (0)
    - I Do Agree...... - Todd Krieger 19:10:57 06/02/07 (0)
  - So does your stereo transmit the digital signal directly to the DA's in your brain - AJinFLA 15:17:01 06/02/07 (3)
    - RE: So does your stereo transmit the digital signal directly to the DA's in your brain - Todd Krieger 16:33:07 06/02/07 (1)
      - RE: So does your stereo transmit the digital signal directly to the DA's in your brain - AJinFLA 18:58:52 06/02/07 (0)
    - RE: So does your stereo transmit the digital signal directly to the DA's in your brain - theaudiohobby 16:05:40 06/02/07 (0)
- This magazine in the past as one full of nonsense - AJinFLA 09:12:29 06/02/07 (0)
- RE: Harmonic distortion, a nice overview. - Ugly 21:28:51 06/01/07 (39)
  - RE: Harmonic distortion, a nice overview. - morricab 19:09:53 06/10/07 (0)
  - Very good observation - E-Stat 06:37:06 06/02/07 (37)
    - Who doesn't get it? - AJinFLA 08:22:01 06/02/07 (36)
      - RE: Who doesn't get it? - Todd Krieger 16:15:07 06/02/07 (10)
        
        RE: Who doesn't get it? - AJinFLA 18:14:53 06/02/07 (9)
        
        RE: Who doesn't get it? - Todd Krieger 05:26:00 06/03/07 (8)
        
        RE: Who doesn't get it? - AJinFLA 14:07:31 06/03/07 (7)
        
        RE: Who doesn't get it? - morricab 19:20:40 06/10/07 (0)
        
        RE: Who doesn't get it? - john curl 13:53:22 06/04/07 (5)
        
        RE: Who doesn't get it? - Todd Krieger 16:21:08 06/04/07 (0)
        
        Become an engineer? - AJinFLA 15:07:08 06/04/07 (3)
        
        RE: Become an engineer? - john curl 09:28:52 06/05/07 (2)
        
        Ok Carl Sagan - AJinFLA 14:59:37 06/05/07 (1)
        
        RE: Ok Carl Sagan - john curl 16:19:28 06/05/07 (0)
      - I'll let Brad expand on his comments - E-Stat 11:03:10 06/02/07 (23)
        
        RE: I'll let Brad expand on his comments - AJinFLA 15:41:53 06/02/07 (19)
        
        RE: I'll let Brad expand on his comments - morricab 19:29:51 06/10/07 (0)
        
        Silly me - E-Stat 15:58:39 06/02/07 (17)
        
        Silly you - AJinFLA 13:44:35 06/03/07 (16)
        
        Clam up? - E-Stat 17:33:57 06/03/07 (15)
        
        Yes, clam up - AJinFLA 14:38:17 06/04/07 (14)
        
        Hmmm - E-Stat 15:09:50 06/04/07 (13)
        
        RE: Hmmm - AJinFLA 16:12:24 06/04/07 (12)
        
        I'll give 'er a whirl - E-Stat 17:50:18 06/04/07 (11)
        
        You ever play dodgeball? You'd be good at it (nt) - AJinFLA 15:15:36 06/05/07 (10)
        
        Yes, I was quite good at dodgeball in the fourth grade - E-Stat 15:51:46 06/05/07 (9)
        
        RE: Yes, I was quite good at dodgeball in the fourth grade - theaudiohobby 16:24:27 06/05/07 (8)
        
        You should be congratulated for your perspicacity - E-Stat 19:16:02 06/05/07 (7)
        
        RE: You should be congratulated on your circular arguments (nt) - theaudiohobby 15:47:45 06/06/07 (6)
        
        Sorry, can't credit you for two correct statements in a row. - E-Stat 21:38:37 06/06/07 (5)
        
        RE: Sorry, can't credit you for two correct statements in a row. - morricab 19:39:46 06/10/07 (1)
        
        RE: Sorry, can't credit you for two correct statements in a row. - theaudiohobby 14:28:32 06/12/07 (0)
        
        RE: You go one better and make a tagential argument - theaudiohobby 15:47:42 06/07/07 (2)
        
        RE: You go one better and make a tagential argument - morricab 19:46:25 06/10/07 (1)
        
        RE: You go one better and make a tagential argument - theaudiohobby 15:56:11 06/14/07 (0)
        
        RE: I'll let Brad expand on his comments - tomservo 13:11:10 06/02/07 (2)
        
        RE: I'll let Brad expand on his comments - morricab 19:49:01 06/10/07 (0)
        
        I can personally vouch for it's ruggedness - E-Stat 14:36:20 06/02/07 (0)
      - RE: Who doesn't get it? - theaudiohobby 08:56:12 06/02/07 (0)
Quick clarification required re measuring power used with bi-wire speakers - Guy F 06:43:03 06/01/07 (14)
- you're equation is correct. - jneutron 11:43:23 06/05/07 (1)
  - Thank you - now why can`t all inmates reply with such clarity?! (nt) - Guy F 04:48:58 06/07/07 (0)
- RE: Quick clarification required re measuring power used with bi-wire speakers - Todd Krieger 16:43:17 06/04/07 (1)
  - Good point re treating the modules as "one", thanks. (nt) - Guy F 04:51:06 06/07/07 (0)
- "Yabbut"... - Presto 11:58:40 06/04/07 (1)
  - Thanks for the info - I had a horrible feeling that things would be more complex than I first thought! (nt) - Guy F 04:56:52 06/07/07 (0)
- You will see the same voltage across both sets. - clifff 06:48:34 06/01/07 (7)
  - You will NOT see the same voltage across both sets. - Jon Risch 21:19:07 06/02/07 (5)
    - Not a reply - Jon Risch 14:03:36 06/03/07 (3)
      - You are, foolishly, replying to yourself. - clifff 15:23:40 06/03/07 (2)
        
        Indeed - Jon Risch 20:41:13 06/05/07 (0)
        
        RE: You are, foolishly, replying to yourself. - john curl 13:39:35 06/04/07 (0)
    - Fractions of a dB are not "ballpark figures" nt - clifff 01:09:46 06/03/07 (0)
  - That`ll be a "no" then! Thanks for your help. (nt) - Guy F 06:58:41 06/02/07 (0)
Brilliant Pebbles makes it into Wikipedia - geoffkait 08:55:59 05/30/07 (36)
- Would you like this to be a description of your lawyer, - The Real Dick Hertz 08:18:17 06/01/07 (18)
  - Bait and switch - Analog Scott 10:02:52 06/03/07 (5)
    - RE: inadequate analogy - mls-stl 19:46:07 06/04/07 (3)
      - Not at all - Analog Scott 23:12:04 06/04/07 (2)
        
        RE: like I said... - mls-stl 06:49:14 06/05/07 (1)
        
        False assumption - Analog Scott 08:19:20 06/07/07 (0)
    - Great [analogy] Scott... - Wellfed 20:19:48 06/03/07 (0)
  - No, but... - Wellfed 14:32:14 06/01/07 (11)
    - Do you feel the statement is in error? - The Real Dick Hertz 16:12:47 06/01/07 (10)
      - Credentials? - Analog Scott 10:05:16 06/03/07 (0)
      - RE: Do you feel the statement is in error? - Rod M 16:50:34 06/01/07 (8)
        
        RE: What does Ayn Rand have to do with this? - Mahatma Kane Jeeves 21:30:45 06/01/07 (0)
        
        So no qualifications would be needed to become an audio... - The Real Dick Hertz 19:18:52 06/01/07 (2)
        
        The qualifications are determined by the market place - Analog Scott 11:33:29 06/03/07 (0)
        
        The statement in question doesn't even make sense... - Wellfed 22:00:23 06/01/07 (0)
        
        Your succinct and accurate response is appreciated... - Wellfed 18:18:44 06/01/07 (3)
        
        RE: Your succinct and accurate response is appreciated... - Rod M 07:00:07 06/02/07 (2)
        
        Should have mentioned that I am using Firefox, v. 2.0.0.4 [nt] - Wellfed 09:42:16 06/02/07 (1)
        
        RE: Should have mentioned that I am using Firefox, v. 2.0.0.4 [nt] - Rod M 17:04:38 06/02/07 (0)
- A Brilliant Little Girl Indeed...... - Todd Krieger 20:49:00 05/30/07 (0)
- Worth the price of admission... - Wellfed 10:02:02 05/30/07 (9)
  - RE: Worth the price of admission... - bjh 14:17:06 05/30/07 (8)
    - RE: Worth the price of admission... - Posy Rorer 07:41:05 06/01/07 (0)
    - I subscribe to the KISS methodology as specified by the Parsimony Group... - Wellfed 08:37:49 05/31/07 (5)
      - We all have our ways of coping... - bjh 12:30:40 05/31/07 (4)
        
        Yes, Eve... - Wellfed 14:14:43 05/31/07 (3)
        
        I love that movie! - Ted Smith 17:22:12 05/31/07 (2)
        
        Definitely in my top 10 ... - Stephæn 12:01:29 06/01/07 (0)
        
        Growth has it seasons... - Wellfed 17:36:32 05/31/07 (0)
    - RE: ....requires the element of unexplained...... - jensw 15:02:23 05/30/07 (0)
- RE: Brilliant Pebbles makes it into Wikipedia - May Belt 09:28:26 05/30/07 (5)
  - "_ DO work" - BS64 11:13:03 06/03/07 (0)
  - RE: Brilliant Pebbles makes it into Wikipedia - Posy Rorer 07:56:41 06/01/07 (0)
  - RE: Brilliant Pebbles makes it into Wikipedia - geoffkait 10:04:04 05/30/07 (2)
    - RE: Brilliant Pebbles makes it into Wikipedia - May Belt 10:23:13 05/30/07 (0)
    - Well, that's a pretty easy thing for a pseudojournalist to say... - Wellfed 10:22:02 05/30/07 (0)
More Testing Of Tubes (Mastersound) Vs Transistors (Jungson) - thetubeguy1954 14:05:44 05/29/07 (93)
- RE: More Testing Of Tubes (Mastersound) Vs Transistors (Jungson) - Ugly 13:01:05 05/31/07 (12)
  - Unfortunately that won't work - AJinFLA 14:22:53 05/31/07 (11)
    - I gotta admit.... - Ugly 16:52:14 05/31/07 (10)
      - Ugly Here's The Plain Unadulterated Truth - thetubeguy1954 09:10:45 06/01/07 (3)
        
        RE: Ugly Here's The Plain Unadulterated Truth - Ugly 15:29:12 06/01/07 (0)
        
        What about "pro audio" tube amps? - Russ57 09:55:02 06/01/07 (1)
        
        RE: What about "pro audio" tube amps? - thetubeguy1954 11:54:03 06/01/07 (0)
      - In the words of the late Steve Irwin "She's a beauty" - AJinFLA 17:57:53 05/31/07 (5)
        
        Wood? - Ugly 11:05:13 06/01/07 (0)
        
        Well now . . . - Pat D 09:50:23 06/01/07 (3)
        
        Lirpa Laboratories 100,000W/ch 1oz Pro-Solid State Amp - thetubeguy1954 12:11:58 06/01/07 (2)
        
        RE: Lirpa Laboratories 100,000W/ch 1oz Pro-Solid State Amp - Todd Krieger 19:25:39 06/01/07 (0)
        
        RE: Lirpa Laboratories 100,000W/ch 1oz Pro-Solid State Amp - kerr 12:21:53 06/01/07 (0)
- RE: More Testing Of Tubes (Mastersound) Vs Transistors (Jungson) - tomservo 09:45:50 05/31/07 (2)
  - RE: More Testing Of Tubes (Mastersound) Vs Transistors (Jungson) - thetubeguy1954 09:38:35 06/01/07 (0)
  - As for me - E-Stat 15:31:42 05/31/07 (0)
- RE: More Testing Of Tubes (Mastersound) Vs Transistors (Jungson) - Pat D 21:53:48 05/29/07 (76)
  - Harshness speculation - AJinFLA 03:49:04 06/01/07 (5)
    - RE: Harshness speculation - morricab 20:06:45 06/10/07 (0)
    - RE: Harshness speculation - Pat D 09:38:55 06/01/07 (3)
      - RE: Harshness speculation - MrClean 15:23:25 07/21/07 (0)
      - RE: Harshness speculation - thetubeguy1954 13:59:26 06/04/07 (0)
      - RE: Harshness speculation - AJinFLA 20:41:53 06/01/07 (0)
  - RE: More Testing Of Tubes (Mastersound) Vs Transistors (Jungson) - morricab 05:00:49 05/31/07 (6)
    - RE: More Testing Of Tubes (Mastersound) Vs Transistors (Jungson) - Pat D 08:07:25 05/31/07 (5)
      - RE: More Testing Of Tubes (Mastersound) Vs Transistors (Jungson) - morricab 02:56:00 06/01/07 (4)
        
        RE: More Testing Of Tubes (Mastersound) Vs Transistors (Jungson) - Pat D 20:37:08 06/01/07 (3)
        
        RE: More Testing Of Tubes (Mastersound) Vs Transistors (Jungson) - morricab 20:10:54 06/10/07 (2)
        
        RE: More Testing Of Tubes (Mastersound) Vs Transistors (Jungson) - Pat D 18:47:30 06/13/07 (1)
        
        RE: More Testing Of Tubes (Mastersound) Vs Transistors (Jungson) - morricab 08:49:23 06/21/07 (0)
  - RE: More Testing Of Tubes (Mastersound) Vs Transistors (Jungson) - AJinFLA 14:47:30 05/30/07 (2)
    - RE: More Testing Of Tubes (Mastersound) Vs Transistors (Jungson) - Pat D 19:59:28 05/30/07 (1)
      - RE: More Testing Of Tubes (Mastersound) Vs Transistors (Jungson) - AJinFLA 14:44:28 06/04/07 (0)
  - RE: More Testing Of Tubes (Mastersound) Vs Transistors (Jungson) - thetubeguy1954 06:44:30 05/30/07 (59)
    - RE: More Testing Of Tubes (Mastersound) Vs Transistors (Jungson) - Pat D 21:45:28 05/30/07 (4)
      - RE: More Testing Of Tubes (Mastersound) Vs Transistors (Jungson) - thetubeguy1954 10:22:48 06/01/07 (3)
        
        RE: More Testing Of Tubes (Mastersound) Vs Transistors (Jungson) - Pat D 21:26:51 06/01/07 (2)
        
        RE: More Testing Of Tubes (Mastersound) Vs Transistors (Jungson) - thetubeguy1954 09:37:29 06/03/07 (1)
        
        RE: More Testing Of Tubes (Mastersound) Vs Transistors (Jungson) - Pat D 20:21:58 06/06/07 (0)
    - Interesting - kerr 07:08:18 05/30/07 (53)
      - RE: Interesting - thetubeguy1954 10:40:08 05/30/07 (52)
        
        RE: Interesting - Pat D 19:57:05 05/30/07 (0)
        
        RE: Interesting - kerr 13:02:43 05/30/07 (50)
        
        There's a very simple answer to that which you seek - E-Stat 07:10:22 05/31/07 (33)
        
        RE: There's a very simple answer to that which you seek - Posy Rorer 00:37:28 06/02/07 (12)
        
        TAH doesn't seem to realize that yet (nt) - E-Stat 06:25:20 06/02/07 (11)
        
        RE: TAH doesn't seem to realize that yet (nt) - theaudiohobby 16:53:34 06/02/07 (10)
        
        Wherein you state that diddling with FR constitutes "soundstaging"? - E-Stat 17:28:04 06/02/07 (9)
        
        RE: Wherein you state that diddling with FR constitutes "soundstaging"? - theaudiohobby 17:34:32 06/02/07 (8)
        
        Is your memory that poor? - E-Stat 07:11:38 06/03/07 (7)
        
        RE: Rather it is your comprehension that is very poor - theaudiohobby 12:33:36 06/03/07 (6)
        
        RE: Rather it is your comprehension that is very poor - morricab 20:18:15 06/10/07 (0)
        
        Perhaps there's a bit of a communications gap across the pond - E-Stat 17:50:45 06/03/07 (4)
        
        RE: Building strawmen - theaudiohobby 12:00:41 06/04/07 (3)
        
        Still didn't fix the misspelled words with the edit - E-Stat 12:11:56 06/04/07 (2)
        
        RE: And to finish this off... - theaudiohobby 15:24:36 06/05/07 (0)
        
        RE: Still trying - theaudiohobby 12:19:13 06/04/07 (0)
        
        Yeah, that was helpful! - kerr 08:17:21 05/31/07 (19)
        
        RE: Yeah, that was helpful! - theaudiohobby 10:39:59 05/31/07 (18)
        
        Do Tell How To Deepen A Soundstage The Ridiculously Easy Way (nt) - thetubeguy1954 09:54:25 06/01/07 (0)
        
        RE: Yeah, that was helpful! - morricab 02:57:52 06/01/07 (3)
        
        RE: Yeah, that was helpful! - theaudiohobby 05:19:17 06/02/07 (2)
        
        RE: Yeah, that was helpful! - morricab 20:26:10 06/10/07 (1)
        
        RE: Yeah, that was helpful! - theaudiohobby 16:15:56 06/14/07 (0)
        
        I"m begging for trouble, but what the hell :) - kerr 11:05:36 05/31/07 (12)
        
        See? - E-Stat 07:01:46 06/02/07 (2)
        
        RE: See? - theaudiohobby 16:34:37 06/02/07 (1)
        
        I guess you showed me up! - E-Stat 17:25:33 06/02/07 (0)
        
        RE: I"m begging for trouble, but what the hell :) - theaudiohobby 05:14:50 06/02/07 (5)
        
        Just for grins - E-Stat 14:24:15 06/02/07 (4)
        
        RE: Just for grins - theaudiohobby 16:10:09 06/02/07 (3)
        
        Gotcha - E-Stat 17:23:04 06/02/07 (2)
        
        RE: Gotcha - theaudiohobby 17:31:33 06/02/07 (1)
        
        Don't tell me, don't tell me... - E-Stat 07:33:28 06/03/07 (0)
        
        Silly wabbit - E-Stat 15:06:35 05/31/07 (2)
        
        Hmmm - kerr 09:45:20 06/01/07 (1)
        
        :) -nt - E-Stat 10:21:45 06/01/07 (0)
        
        "Soundstaging and imaging are, IMHO, two of the most critical pieces of the "live" sound." ?????????????????? - Richard BassNut Greene 14:43:00 05/30/07 (14)
        
        I disagree - Analog Scott 12:27:59 06/01/07 (1)
        
        You're right I wasn't thinking of classical music where musicians are spread way apart on the stage - Richard BassNut Greene 14:19:42 06/01/07 (0)
        
        Suggestion - E-Stat 06:54:03 05/31/07 (5)
        
        You're right - Richard BassNut Greene 07:42:55 05/31/07 (4)
        
        No problemo - E-Stat 08:04:34 05/31/07 (3)
        
        Interesting ... I happen to prefer average SPL in the 75-80dBA range with the subwoofer a few dB louder - Richard BassNut Greene 06:54:58 06/01/07 (0)
        
        RE: No problemo - Pat D 08:18:19 05/31/07 (1)
        
        I have no technical explanation for it, but... - E-Stat 15:15:59 05/31/07 (0)
        
        RE: "Soundstaging and imaging are, IMHO, two of the most critical pieces of the "live" sound." ?????????????????? - morricab 05:14:52 05/31/07 (5)
        
        RE: "Soundstaging and imaging are, IMHO, two of the most critical pieces of the "live" sound." ?????????????????? - Richard BassNut Greene 07:39:06 05/31/07 (4)
        
        RE: "Soundstaging and imaging are, IMHO, two of the most critical pieces of the "live" sound." ?????????????????? - morricab 03:04:12 06/01/07 (3)
        
        The late reflections within a club or auditorium are almost impossible to recreate at home with two-channel - Richard BassNut Greene 07:07:47 06/01/07 (2)
        
        RE: The late reflections within a club or auditorium are almost impossible to recreate at home with two-channel - morricab 20:28:15 06/10/07 (0)
        
        No they're not! - E-Stat 08:26:00 06/01/07 (0)
        
        RE: Interesting - thetubeguy1954 14:17:51 05/30/07 (0)
Max. listening level ... have I hit a ceiling... (long) - bjh 18:43:32 05/28/07 (32)
- RE: Max. listening level ... have I hit a ceiling... (long) - Pat D 23:03:28 05/29/07 (3)
  - LOL! Leave it to you - bjh 07:58:19 05/30/07 (1)
    - RE: LOL! Leave it to you - Pat D 20:05:55 05/30/07 (0)
  - RE: Max. listening level ... have I hit a ceiling... (long) - Todd Krieger 01:46:12 05/30/07 (0)
- Thanks all. nt - bjh 10:19:21 05/29/07 (1)
  - You're welcome. [nt] - Wellfed 10:32:06 05/29/07 (0)
- RE: Max. listening level ... have I hit a ceiling... (long) - tomservo 08:03:47 05/29/07 (8)
  - RE: Max. listening level ... have I hit a ceiling... (long) - Todd Krieger 01:42:23 05/30/07 (6)
    - RE: Max. listening level ... have I hit a ceiling... (long) - AJinFLA 03:36:56 05/30/07 (5)
      - RE: Max. listening level ... have I hit a ceiling... (long) - morricab 05:22:27 05/31/07 (2)
        
        RE: Max. listening level ... have I hit a ceiling... (long) - AJinFLA 14:50:34 05/31/07 (1)
        
        RE: Max. listening level ... have I hit a ceiling... (long) - morricab 20:32:59 06/10/07 (0)
      - Interesting Combination...... - Todd Krieger 22:17:15 05/30/07 (1)
        
        RE: Interesting Combination...... - AJinFLA 15:11:08 05/31/07 (0)
  - RE: Max. listening level ... have I hit a ceiling... (long) - AJinFLA 09:20:35 05/29/07 (0)
- RE: Max. listening level ... have I hit a ceiling... (long) - AJinFLA 03:41:06 05/29/07 (7)
  - RE: Max. listening level ... have I hit a ceiling... (long) - Todd Krieger 04:17:10 05/29/07 (6)
    - "A decent amp that's.." Right. But this is an "Audiophile" amp - AJinFLA 15:19:51 05/29/07 (2)
      - You Do Have a Point..... - Todd Krieger 22:27:32 05/30/07 (1)
        
        "The measurements suggest it's an awful match" Measurements? We don't need no stinkin' measurements - AJinFLA 14:44:05 05/31/07 (0)
    - If power is the only factor for good sound,.. - cheap-Jack 08:42:15 05/29/07 (1)
      - Just a Theoretical Explanation...... - Todd Krieger 01:40:46 05/30/07 (0)
    - RE: Max. listening level ... have I hit a ceiling... (long) - bjh 06:58:23 05/29/07 (0)
- RE: Max. listening level ... have I hit a ceiling... (long) - Todd Krieger 00:20:53 05/29/07 (8)
  - Such an effect is trivially easy to measure, - clifff 01:41:33 05/29/07 (7)
    - RE: Such an effect is trivially easy to measure, - Dan Banquer 05:57:27 05/29/07 (6)
      - Measure?? That implies proof, where none is needed. Remember? (nt) - AJinFLA 09:23:23 05/29/07 (4)
        
        Proof needs be in the pudding... - Wellfed 09:37:20 05/29/07 (3)
        
        I prefer raisins in my pudding. nt - Dan Banquer 10:02:57 05/29/07 (2)
        
        Raisins are a form of distortion... - Wellfed 10:12:47 05/29/07 (1)
        
        Now THAT'S funny! :) (nt) - kerr 11:28:24 05/29/07 (0)
      - Don't forget to write some magic words on the photos with a blue pen! (nt) - cheap-Jack 07:39:54 05/29/07 (0)
Message to group: RE: Conclusion of Freeze Effect Project - Posy Rorer 13:46:19 05/27/07 (0)
Morphic Resonance, brief tutorial and possible proof - geoffkait 05:57:24 05/26/07 (57)
- I'm now developing Audiophile Grade Morphic Resonance Dampers. Hopefully you can sell them for me Kait .nt - AJinFLA 11:31:33 05/28/07 (0)
- it would be preposterous and presumptuous for skeptics.... - tunenut 13:00:30 05/27/07 (2)
  - I have to take issue with a few of your points - Analog Scott 15:10:43 05/27/07 (1)
    - too much unsavory interference... - tunenut 12:53:31 05/29/07 (0)
- RE: Morphic Resonance, brief tutorial and possible proof - andy19191 12:46:22 05/27/07 (18)
  - Perhaps you should read Sheldrake's books... - mkuller 15:49:08 05/27/07 (0)
  - RE: Morphic Resonance, brief tutorial and possible proof - geoffkait 13:25:19 05/27/07 (4)
    - RE: Morphic Resonance, brief tutorial and possible proof - andy19191 14:00:26 05/27/07 (2)
      - RE: Morphic Resonance, brief tutorial and possible proof - geoffkait 14:13:34 05/27/07 (1)
        
        Yes, as a matter of fact... - Wellfed 14:25:38 05/27/07 (0)
    - Now why would you go and say a thing like that?... - Wellfed 13:41:14 05/27/07 (0)
  - I think you ought to give serious thought to... - Wellfed 13:07:42 05/27/07 (11)
    - And they'd *love* him over there. nt - clarkjohnsen 13:24:05 05/27/07 (6)
      - RE: And they'd *love* him over there. nt - andy19191 13:56:46 05/27/07 (5)
        
        nah... he's plenty daft (nt) - SF tech 18:53:55 05/29/07 (3)
        
        The word is naïve... - Wellfed 22:11:39 05/29/07 (2)
        
        RE: The word is naïve... - andy19191 23:33:06 05/29/07 (1)
        
        Not only am I ineligible by rule... - Wellfed 09:38:49 05/30/07 (0)
        
        And what makes me chopped liver?... - Wellfed 14:07:39 05/27/07 (0)
    - RE: I think you ought to give serious thought to... - andy19191 13:19:10 05/27/07 (3)
      - Would you take any notice... - Wellfed 13:29:45 05/27/07 (2)
        
        RE: Would you take any notice... - andy19191 14:06:28 05/27/07 (1)
        
        Curiously enough... - Wellfed 14:12:36 05/27/07 (0)
- Great topic! BTW, I'm a firm believer, a practitioner in fact! - bjh 10:27:00 05/27/07 (1)
  - I'm a little surprised - geoffkait 11:19:41 05/27/07 (0)
- RE: Morphic Resonance, brief tutorial and possible proof - May Belt 02:17:58 05/27/07 (29)
  - In my opinion, the Holy Bible is the only fountain of knowledge... - Wellfed 12:42:24 05/27/07 (28)
    - You almost drew a foul - geoffkait 08:38:54 05/30/07 (3)
      - The kingdom of God has come near you... - Wellfed 20:20:11 05/30/07 (2)
        
        Not sure what yer driving at... - geoffkait 07:45:06 05/31/07 (1)
        
        That was Jesus' method of saying... - Wellfed 08:28:38 05/31/07 (0)
    - May was talking about "inconsistencies in nature", not "human nature" itself. Besides... - clarkjohnsen 13:27:21 05/27/07 (23)
      - Clark, just what "inconsistencies" have you found in nature? (nt) - SF tech 18:59:16 05/29/07 (19)
        
        Then be sure to see May Belt's post below. nt - clarkjohnsen 08:10:24 05/31/07 (0)
        
        That was May's usage, not mine. Me, I would have said "anomalies". nt - clarkjohnsen 08:24:29 05/30/07 (17)
        
        RE: That was May's usage, not mine. Me, I would have said "anomalies". nt - May Belt 02:01:37 05/31/07 (16)
        
        "The world of audio " is not separate from human interaction. - soulfood 09:37:37 06/01/07 (0)
        
        "ALL is NOT known and that is where the struggle is taking place " - SF tech 09:05:47 05/31/07 (14)
        
        RE: "ALL is NOT known and that is where the struggle is taking place " - May Belt 06:58:54 06/01/07 (1)
        
        The crux of the problem is this... - SF tech 10:51:32 06/01/07 (0)
        
        Quit being so bossy... - Wellfed 14:29:11 05/31/07 (11)
        
        Funny... my girlfriend says that to me all the time! - SF tech 14:58:40 05/31/07 (10)
        
        One piece of advice - kerr 09:47:41 06/01/07 (1)
        
        Point taken! :-o (nt) - SF tech 10:53:26 06/01/07 (0)
        
        RE: Funny... my girlfriend says that to me all the time! - Posy Rorer 08:13:22 06/01/07 (7)
        
        Thanks for the insight, knucklehead... - SF tech 10:11:46 06/01/07 (6)
        
        RE: Thanks for the insight, knucklehead... - Posy Rorer 11:05:15 06/02/07 (5)
        
        In case you haven't noticed... - SF tech 13:28:31 06/02/07 (4)
        
        Well it's kind of hard to notice.... - Posy Rorer 20:10:34 06/02/07 (0)
        
        Bye. [nt] - Wellfed 15:45:35 06/02/07 (2)
        
        You going somewhere? (nt) - SF tech 15:53:09 06/02/07 (1)
        
        No, but I was under the impression... - Wellfed 20:55:36 06/02/07 (0)
      - I wasn't equating or linking the two subjects together,,, - Wellfed 13:39:34 05/27/07 (2)
        
        Ah! You were *supplementing* her remarks. nt - clarkjohnsen 13:42:01 05/27/07 (1)
        
        It was more like Déjà Vue all over again. [nt] - Wellfed 13:47:11 05/27/07 (0)
- How about pets who know when their owners are heading home? ;-) nt - clarkjohnsen 12:08:12 05/26/07 (1)
  - Or people who look at the other drivers staring at them...(nt) - mkuller 13:42:21 05/26/07 (0)
What's Enough Watts? - thetubeguy1954 05:35:44 05/25/07 (32)
- Enough - Watts / or Fidelity ? - Curtis J 20:51:33 05/28/07 (1)
  - Why can't "fidelity" & "watts" live happily together? - cheap-Jack 09:19:34 05/29/07 (0)
- Enough to ensure adequate damping. - Al Sekela 14:12:11 05/28/07 (0)
- One watt, in my situation. - cheap-Jack 13:11:29 05/28/07 (0)
- Three [nt] - Todd Krieger 13:52:31 05/27/07 (0)
- So we realize this is not easy to answer. nt - Norm 06:44:39 05/26/07 (0)
- You guys are killing me - Pjay 05:33:31 05/26/07 (4)
  - RE: You guys are killing me - tomservo 06:43:17 05/27/07 (1)
    - RE: You guys are killing me - Pjay 18:48:58 05/27/07 (0)
  - RE: You guys are killing me...bang bang included - tomservo 06:33:15 05/26/07 (1)
    - RE: You guys are killing me...bang bang included - Pjay 10:41:15 05/26/07 (0)
- All I know is that 1.56 watts is plenty for 103 db efficient speakers and 20 watts isn't enough for 93 db sks. - Norm 18:34:07 05/25/07 (2)
  - RE: All I know is that 1.56 watts is plenty for 103 db efficient speakers and 20 watts isn't enough for 93 db sks. - KlausR. 22:40:26 05/25/07 (0)
  - 200W wasn't enough for my 92.5dB speakers, but 750W seems to work :) [nt] - Ted Smith 22:05:03 05/25/07 (0)
- Watts you talking bout son - tomservo 09:08:44 05/25/07 (11)
  - RE: Watts you talking bout son - AJinFLA 11:53:29 05/28/07 (0)
  - RE: what's on the recording, though? - mls-stl 19:15:50 05/25/07 (9)
    - RE: what's on the recording, though? - tomservo 10:24:00 05/26/07 (6)
      - RE: what's on the recording, though? - morricab 03:08:45 05/28/07 (1)
        
        RE: what's on the recording, though? - tomservo 06:18:48 05/28/07 (0)
      - So what sources do you buy? - Russ57 10:55:34 05/26/07 (3)
        
        RE: So what sources do you buy? - tomservo 07:01:46 05/28/07 (1)
        
        RE: If you like jazz... - mls-stl 08:04:19 05/28/07 (0)
        
        RE: So what sources do you buy? - mls-stl 14:35:57 05/26/07 (0)
    - RE: what's on the recording, though? - Robert Hamel 21:57:04 05/25/07 (1)
      - RE: what's on the recording, though? - mls-stl 05:17:01 05/26/07 (0)
- If 85dB/watt speakers receive 1 watt input they will average 85dB which most people would say is quite loud - Richard BassNut Greene 08:51:45 05/25/07 (3)
  - Your math is slightly off - Analog Scott 23:24:11 05/26/07 (0)
  - RE: If 85dB/watt speakers receive 1 watt input they will average 85dB which most people would say is quite loud - thetubeguy1954 11:58:40 05/26/07 (0)
  - RE: If 85dB/watt speakers receive 1 watt input they will average 85dB which most people would say is quite lou - Awe-d-o-file 16:53:41 05/25/07 (0)
- Great topic! - lipmanl@hotmail.com 06:54:59 05/25/07 (1)
  - RE: Great topic! - AJinFLA 07:26:35 05/25/07 (0)
Can you determine how much power you need with a Radio Shack meter ? - Lambda 07:55:33 05/24/07 (14)
- The speaker efficiency rating is probably wrong, the meter is not accurate - Richard BassNut Greene 09:00:00 05/25/07 (0)
- RE: Can you determine how much power you need with a Radio Shack meter ? - Bob Rex 08:49:10 05/25/07 (0)
- Is it normal that a 90dB peak is boderline painful ? - Robert Hamel 04:46:44 05/25/07 (2)
  - RE: Is it normal that a 90dB peak is boderline painful ? - Lambda 05:05:54 05/25/07 (1)
    - RE: Is it normal that a 90dB peak is boderline painful ? - Robert Hamel 17:02:08 05/25/07 (0)
- It depends how you choose the settings of the SPL meter. - cheap-Jack 08:27:33 05/24/07 (8)
  - Exactly what I did - Lambda 10:04:02 05/24/07 (6)
    - RE: Exactly what I did - morricab 05:03:55 05/25/07 (0)
    - RE: Exactly what I did - Ugly 16:47:58 05/24/07 (4)
      - Nope... - cheap-Jack 07:12:12 05/25/07 (3)
        
        RE: Nope... - Ugly 13:20:18 05/25/07 (2)
        
        Give me a break, please. - cheap-Jack 13:55:32 05/25/07 (1)
        
        RE: Give me a break, please. - Ugly 17:45:07 05/25/07 (0)
  - Correction: it should read "32-10KHz". - cheap-Jack 08:29:17 05/24/07 (0)
Thanks for Setting up A - Curtis J 20:42:31 05/23/07 (1)
- RE: Thanks for Setting up A - Todd Krieger 22:24:31 05/23/07 (0)
The Light Bulb Just Went On...... - Todd Krieger 00:46:01 05/23/07 (74)
- If audiophiles have to compare two components playing at different volumes to hear a difference and ... - Richard BassNut Greene 09:14:23 05/25/07 (4)
  - RE: If audiophiles have to compare two components playing at different volumes to hear a difference and ... - Analog Scott 23:06:05 05/26/07 (0)
  - RE: If audiophiles have to compare two components playing at different volumes to hear a difference and ... - Todd Krieger 21:01:37 05/26/07 (0)
  - Golden Ears... - mkuller 12:36:31 05/25/07 (1)
    - Golden Ears would get run out of the club for reporting nothing has changed ... - Richard BassNut Greene 07:08:22 05/29/07 (0)
- Moderator:When you want to shut down the thread,try this... - Atexanathome 03:28:55 05/25/07 (0)
- Mindset? Totally irrelevant to establishing audibility. - Pat D 16:49:00 05/24/07 (0)
- The masses often turn against super heroes because of jealousy and envy - AJinFLA 14:08:07 05/23/07 (28)
  - RE: The masses often turn against super heroes because of jealousy and envy - morricab 02:23:04 05/24/07 (4)
    - The Scary Part....... - Todd Krieger 11:31:41 05/24/07 (0)
    - Uh oh - AJinFLA 03:50:32 05/24/07 (2)
      - RE: Uh oh - morricab 05:05:23 05/25/07 (1)
        
        RE: Uh oh - AJinFLA 06:04:48 05/25/07 (0)
  - RE: The masses often turn against super heroes because of jealousy and envy - Todd Krieger 22:15:03 05/23/07 (2)
    - Good concern. But I won't be "backing away" for whatever 'hostile' environment. (nt) - cheap-Jack 07:48:22 05/24/07 (1)
      - RE: Good concern. But I won't be "backing away" for whatever 'hostile' environment. (nt) - Todd Krieger 21:04:58 05/26/07 (0)
  - Thanks for... - mkuller 17:23:44 05/23/07 (19)
    - RE: Thanks for... - AJinFLA 18:37:25 05/23/07 (0)
    - Turnabout is fair play--what's the matter? Is your ox being gored now? - Pat D 18:26:08 05/23/07 (17)
      - RE: Turnabout is fair play--what's the matter? Is your ox being gored now? - Todd Krieger 00:37:48 05/25/07 (1)
        
        RE: Turnabout is fair play--what's the matter? Is your ox being gored now? - Pat D 07:10:26 05/25/07 (0)
      - Prove? - mkuller 20:22:15 05/23/07 (14)
        
        I Find It Amusing That People Who Have Blind Faith In The Unproveable Require Proof From Others With Differing POVs! - thetubeguy1954 10:25:51 05/24/07 (2)
        
        "We as objectivists CANNOT prove our POV is correct, [so] we demand subjectivists prove their POV is correct." - clarkjohnsen 08:43:37 05/25/07 (1)
        
        I was JUST beginning to suspect this to be the case... - Wellfed 22:19:55 05/25/07 (0)
        
        Those who have no proof have nothing to "prove" - AJinFLA 03:43:39 05/24/07 (10)
        
        RE: Those who have no proof have nothing to "prove" - Todd Krieger 00:49:14 05/25/07 (2)
        
        RE: Those who have no proof have nothing to "prove" - AJinFLA 06:24:24 05/25/07 (1)
        
        FYI... - Wellfed 22:32:46 05/25/07 (0)
        
        Back at you.. - Analog Scott 14:39:27 05/24/07 (5)
        
        RE: Back at you.. - morricab 05:12:35 05/25/07 (4)
        
        RE: Back at you.. - AJinFLA 07:07:24 05/25/07 (3)
        
        I set the bar as low as it can go - Analog Scott 12:25:39 05/25/07 (2)
        
        Ok, in all seriousness Scott - AJinFLA 13:37:21 05/25/07 (1)
        
        In all seriousness AJ - Analog Scott 13:52:50 05/26/07 (0)
        
        So you equate... - mkuller 10:59:08 05/24/07 (0)
- But how do you *know* they hear differently? - Axon 09:16:07 05/23/07 (25)
  - "Using false information to judge your audio decisions" - Analog Scott 14:17:11 05/23/07 (14)
    - I'll make a somewhat oblique and incomplete response. - Axon 09:58:12 05/24/07 (12)
      - It is an odd response. You make no mention of "false information." nt - Analog Scott 12:24:26 05/24/07 (11)
        
        "false" might have been the wrong word - Axon 13:01:47 05/24/07 (10)
        
        "pronouncements that are perfectly reproducible, and objective, yet involve things I don't hear." - Analog Scott 13:53:14 05/24/07 (9)
        
        RE: "pronouncements that are perfectly reproducible, and objective, yet involve things I don't hear." - Pat D 13:56:13 05/25/07 (8)
        
        this is a technical forum where questions of audibility are proper and relevant. - Analog Scott 13:59:24 05/26/07 (7)
        
        "the foul oder of class envy." - Pat D 02:29:40 05/27/07 (6)
        
        RE: "the foul oder of class envy." Ask an objectivist for "proof" and all you get is insults. - Analog Scott 11:27:18 05/27/07 (5)
        
        You don't seem to have understood the sour grapes story. - Pat D 16:14:32 05/27/07 (4)
        
        You don't seem to have understood how sour grapes applies - Analog Scott 23:57:35 05/27/07 (3)
        
        I see: when you make a personal attack, it's called mocking. - Pat D 07:32:48 05/28/07 (2)
        
        You already conceded the arguement why are you still posting? - Analog Scott 09:36:45 05/28/07 (1)
        
        RE: You already conceded the arguement why are you still posting? - AJinFLA 14:05:10 05/28/07 (0)
    - RE: "Using false information to judge your audio decisions" - Todd Krieger 22:50:10 05/23/07 (0)
  - It's Not That I "Know"...... - Todd Krieger 12:48:01 05/23/07 (1)
    - RE: It's Not That I "Know"...... - unclestu52 13:14:53 05/23/07 (0)
  - 'Fraid that line's boosted from 12 Angry Men. nt - geoffkait 09:35:16 05/23/07 (0)
  - Excellent question - kerr 09:33:41 05/23/07 (2)
    - Go With What Works For You... - mkuller 11:22:24 05/23/07 (1)
      - Yes! Thanks for that critical add-on. (nt) - kerr 11:42:15 05/23/07 (0)
  - "Objective metrics such as..." say, 0.00001% harmonic distortion... - clarkjohnsen 09:23:01 05/23/07 (3)
    - I'll let you know! - Axon 09:36:17 05/23/07 (2)
      - What about RIAA correction?(nt) - Russ57 11:53:49 05/23/07 (1)
        
        I'll do it in software - Axon 11:59:42 05/23/07 (0)
- By God I believe he has it! (Prof. Henry Higgins...) - clarkjohnsen 09:13:42 05/23/07 (2)
  - As Posey used to point out... - kerr 09:36:18 05/23/07 (1)
    - Indeed. Posey usually had it right. But such controversy vill not be tolerated! nt - clarkjohnsen 09:50:47 05/23/07 (0)
- You are so right. Andy 19191 just confirmed it :-) (nt) - Dave Pogue 05:26:03 05/23/07 (3)
  - He tumbled head first into that one!! Post was at least a very good laugh!! (nt) - robert young 05:29:33 05/23/07 (2)
    - Especially the "past experience" - E-Stat 05:52:15 05/23/07 (1)
      - RE: Especially the "past experience" - kerr 07:32:38 05/23/07 (0)
- RE: The Light Bulb Just Went On...... - thetubeguy1954 05:19:32 05/23/07 (0)
- Couldn't agree more - kerr 04:44:36 05/23/07 (0)
- RE: The Light Bulb Just Went On...... - andy19191 01:42:41 05/23/07 (2)
  - Where to start...... - mkuller 09:23:35 05/23/07 (1)
    - RE: Where to start...... - andy19191 02:19:28 05/25/07 (0)
Re: Mr Risch et al- What characterizes a pro interconnect termination? - Ethan Winer 09:07:50 05/18/07 (82)
- You wrote a lot of poop - Craiger56 19:32:18 05/23/07 (0)
- How "real true" is your 'Audiophoolery' ???!!! (long)_ - cheap-Jack 09:02:34 05/23/07 (0)
- RE: Re: Mr Risch et al- What characterizes a pro interconnect termination? - andy19191 00:46:09 05/23/07 (0)
- Something's Bothering You...... - Todd Krieger 22:18:13 05/22/07 (5)
  - ""I'd rather be fixated on Beethoven and Dire Straits.."" - jneutron 06:24:12 05/23/07 (4)
    - I Might Try That..... - Todd Krieger 13:12:20 05/23/07 (3)
      - RE: I Might Try That..... - AJinFLA 18:56:19 05/23/07 (2)
        
        RE: I Might Try That..... - Todd Krieger 23:10:51 05/23/07 (1)
        
        Hey, at least half of you music will sound decent on those VR5's - AJinFLA 07:12:52 05/25/07 (0)
- Ahhhh. A more familiar room in the nut house. Can't have the reprobates running wild thru the institution (nt) - AJinFLA 15:46:26 05/22/07 (0)
- There's something missing from your "truth" - E-Stat 15:05:05 05/22/07 (3)
  - RE: There's something missing from your "truth" - Ugly 18:22:35 05/22/07 (2)
    - Yes, but - E-Stat 05:48:00 05/23/07 (1)
      - Wow. Never mind. n/t - Ugly 13:13:58 05/23/07 (0)
- Ah well, end of discussion....You're right! - welly 07:43:27 05/22/07 (1)
  - LOL - kerr 04:56:23 05/23/07 (0)
- I guess David Gilmour and John Mayer should know better - Todd B. 02:20:08 05/20/07 (32)
  - RE: I guess David Gilmour and John Mayer should know better - Ethan Winer 11:51:31 05/21/07 (27)
    - Now you're hedging, but I'll play along - Todd B. 01:46:57 05/22/07 (26)
      - RE: one thing we'll likely never know... - mls-stl 19:33:41 05/22/07 (4)
        
        RE: one thing we'll likely never know... - Grant 11:48:49 05/24/07 (2)
        
        RE: and now we know... - mls-stl 15:03:47 05/24/07 (1)
        
        RE: and now we know... - Grant 07:34:26 05/25/07 (0)
        
        RE: one thing we'll likely never know... - andy19191 00:56:09 05/23/07 (0)
      - RE: Now you're hedging, but I'll play along - Ethan Winer 07:21:41 05/22/07 (20)
        
        RE: Now you're hedging, but I'll play along - Todd Krieger 23:52:40 05/22/07 (1)
        
        Turnaround is fair play. nt - clarkjohnsen 09:24:53 05/23/07 (0)
        
        RE: Actually, you've got that backwards - geoffkait 08:14:48 05/22/07 (17)
        
        No, silly - jneutron 08:54:36 05/22/07 (16)
        
        RE: No, silly - Todd Krieger 00:15:25 05/23/07 (1)
        
        RE: No, silly - jneutron 05:59:53 05/23/07 (0)
        
        Hey, Neutron, when ya gonna give up on the logic of the 1980s? - geoffkait 09:25:41 05/22/07 (13)
        
        And, how is nitpicking errors...logic of the 80's...:-) - jneutron 09:33:57 05/22/07 (12)
        
        Huh? - geoffkait 10:26:40 05/22/07 (11)
        
        RE: Huh? - jneutron 10:36:18 05/22/07 (10)
        
        RE: Huh? - geoffkait 10:58:52 05/22/07 (9)
        
        RE: Huh? - jneutron 11:13:30 05/22/07 (8)
        
        RE: Huh? - geoffkait 11:33:07 05/22/07 (7)
        
        RE: Huh? - jneutron 11:41:25 05/22/07 (6)
        
        RE: Huh? - geoffkait 12:37:50 05/22/07 (5)
        
        RE: Huh? - jneutron 12:53:53 05/22/07 (4)
        
        RE: Huh? - geoffkait 13:47:23 05/22/07 (3)
        
        RE: Huh? - jneutron 13:56:11 05/22/07 (2)
        
        RE: Huh? - morricab 01:37:21 05/23/07 (0)
        
        RE: Huh? - geoffkait 15:11:59 05/22/07 (0)
  - Argumentum ad verecundiam eh? Hmm, Evidence Audios site seems to have lots of ear witness testimony - AJinFLA 16:07:12 05/20/07 (3)
    - Is it somehow normal to think that manufacturers of just about anything... - Wellfed 21:36:46 05/22/07 (0)
    - He's the one who trotted out his pro-audio credentials (nt) - Todd B. 01:39:23 05/22/07 (1)
      - So? How does that make your argument valid? (nt) - AJinFLA 14:17:58 05/22/07 (0)
- Re: Mr Risch et al- What characterizes a pro interconnect termination? - Coffeecupman 17:58:09 05/18/07 (1)
  - "Pursuing the limits of the science, with an open mind." You can't do that!! - clarkjohnsen 09:29:43 05/23/07 (0)
- Re: "In my 35 years as a professional audio engineer,..." uh,oh, think we know what's comin'... nt - geoffkait 10:55:03 05/18/07 (1)
  - Money for nothing..and your checks for free? - AJinFLA 21:14:54 05/18/07 (0)
- Truth? I'm pretty sure that isn't the exact truth - Ted Smith 09:16:30 05/18/07 (28)
  - Re: Truth? I'm pretty sure that isn't the exact truth - Ethan Winer 11:48:47 05/21/07 (8)
    - You're all for it are you? - Presto 10:17:01 05/23/07 (0)
    - RE: Re: Truth? I'm pretty sure that isn't the exact truth - Ted Smith 14:08:34 05/21/07 (6)
      - Eh what? - Pat D 05:45:09 05/23/07 (0)
      - RE: Re: Truth? I'm pretty sure that isn't the exact truth - jneutron 06:21:56 05/22/07 (4)
        
        Never mind... - Rod M 22:56:57 05/22/07 (0)
        
        Hey, John.... - Rod M 22:48:01 05/22/07 (0)
        
        RE: Re: Truth? I'm pretty sure that isn't the exact truth - Ethan Winer 07:29:30 05/22/07 (1)
        
        hmmm - jneutron 07:46:44 05/22/07 (0)
  - What, you didn't like the "miles and miles of wires" thing?? - jneutron 14:10:19 05/18/07 (17)
    - Re: What, you didn't like the "miles and miles of wires" thing?? - AJinFLA 21:05:59 05/18/07 (16)
      - Oh yeah, what ever happened to the line array? - jneutron 10:55:25 05/21/07 (15)
        
        Bucket brigade :) - Tweekeng 22:20:44 05/22/07 (2)
        
        RE: Bucket brigade :) - jneutron 07:24:10 05/23/07 (1)
        
        RE: Bucket brigade :) - Tweekeng 09:55:28 05/23/07 (0)
        
        RE: Oh yeah, what ever happened to the line array? - AJinFLA 14:04:37 05/22/07 (11)
        
        RE: Oh yeah, what ever happened to the line array? - jneutron 06:44:47 05/23/07 (7)
        
        RE: Oh yeah, what ever happened to the line array? - AJinFLA 18:14:47 05/23/07 (3)
        
        layout - jneutron 07:36:37 05/24/07 (2)
        
        RE: layout - AJinFLA 07:18:08 05/25/07 (1)
        
        Measurements?? You nuts?? - jneutron 08:11:42 05/25/07 (0)
        
        Software ... - clifff 08:21:52 05/23/07 (2)
        
        I concur, software is probably the best. - jneutron 08:55:06 05/23/07 (1)
        
        Just about right! - clifff 09:11:09 05/23/07 (0)
        
        GREAT line! - kerr 05:01:28 05/23/07 (2)
        
        RE: GREAT line! - AJinFLA 18:32:00 05/23/07 (1)
        
        RE: GREAT line! - kerr 04:28:09 05/24/07 (0)
  - Regarding cables, not even close, I'd say.nt - clarkjohnsen 09:40:29 05/18/07 (0)
Audio Show Experiment....... - Todd Krieger 19:40:31 05/20/07 (59)
- It'd be very funny "experience" if it'd ever happen. - cheap-Jack 13:29:06 05/22/07 (2)
  - That's my experience as well - E-Stat 14:38:51 05/22/07 (0)
  - RE: It'd be very funny "experience" if it'd ever happen. - thetubeguy1954 14:06:53 05/22/07 (0)
- Been there, done that . . - Pjay 09:50:49 05/22/07 (0)
- RE: Audio Show Experiment....... - nightdoggy 07:32:48 05/22/07 (0)
- Ha ha ha. That's not nice Todd. - Presto 14:53:27 05/21/07 (3)
  - RE: Ha ha ha. That's not nice Todd. - Todd Krieger 19:56:56 05/21/07 (2)
    - Did you go... - pburant 09:30:12 05/22/07 (0)
    - Bose is the best.... - SF tech 20:55:04 05/21/07 (0)
- Umm, you seem to be forgeting - AJinFLA 14:49:03 05/21/07 (4)
  - RE: Umm, you seem to be forgeting - Todd Krieger 20:04:31 05/21/07 (2)
    - Nothing is too low to have an sonic impact. Including LED's. - AJinFLA 13:31:33 05/22/07 (0)
    - RE: not for some of our crowd... - mls-stl 04:36:47 05/22/07 (0)
  - Ha ha ha... It's THE LAW! :o) - Presto 16:19:04 05/21/07 (0)
- Here's another "dirty trick" idea - andy_c 10:49:30 05/21/07 (0)
- Typical high end baloney will be the result - Richard BassNut Greene 08:17:32 05/21/07 (14)
  - You're stealing my argument against most ABX and DBTs - E-Stat 14:42:54 05/22/07 (0)
  - OMG Richard! - thetubeguy1954 13:04:40 05/22/07 (1)
    - I knew we'd eventually agree on something - Richard BassNut Greene 09:22:12 05/23/07 (0)
  - We Need More High-End Baloney...... - Todd Krieger 21:22:10 05/21/07 (4)
    - To go along with all that cheese...and bread being paid? (nt) - AJinFLA 17:31:36 05/22/07 (0)
    - I'd be satisfied... - Wellfed 22:49:51 05/21/07 (2)
      - RE: I'd be satisfied... - Todd Krieger 03:01:50 05/22/07 (1)
        
        Then Buy Italian Audio Components! - thetubeguy1954 13:20:12 05/22/07 (0)
  - Hey! - kerr 09:39:08 05/21/07 (5)
    - I got TWO WORDS for you Kerr - Richard BassNut Greene 07:20:10 05/22/07 (4)
      - Never have I seen your flabber so gasted! - clifff 14:39:24 05/23/07 (0)
      - I myself have been desperate to use "higgledy-piggledy." nt - markrohr 17:03:35 05/22/07 (0)
      - RE: I got TWO WORDS for you Kerr - kerr 10:06:57 05/22/07 (1)
        
        RE: I got TWO WORDS for you Kerr - thetubeguy1954 13:27:26 05/22/07 (0)
- RE: Audio Show Experiment....... - andy19191 02:01:17 05/21/07 (27)
  - RE: Audio Show Experiment....... - morricab 07:27:54 05/21/07 (22)
    - RE: Audio Show Experiment....... - thetubeguy1954 12:48:06 05/21/07 (0)
    - RE: Audio Show Experiment....... - andy19191 09:26:37 05/21/07 (20)
      - RE: Audio Show Experiment....... - morricab 03:12:29 05/22/07 (4)
        
        RE: Audio Show Experiment....... - andy19191 04:46:12 05/22/07 (3)
        
        RE: Audio Show Experiment....... - morricab 07:38:34 05/22/07 (2)
        
        RE: Audio Show Experiment....... - andy19191 08:46:39 05/22/07 (1)
        
        RE: Audio Show Experiment....... - morricab 13:35:40 05/23/07 (0)
      - "They were modified to sound the same as a particular valve amplifier."... - Wellfed 12:42:31 05/21/07 (14)
        
        RE: "They were modified to sound the same as a particular valve amplifier."... - andy19191 14:48:30 05/21/07 (13)
        
        RE: "They were modified to sound the same as a particular valve amplifier."... - morricab 03:14:18 05/22/07 (11)
        
        RE: "They were modified to sound the same as a particular valve amplifier."... - andy19191 04:23:12 05/22/07 (10)
        
        RE: "They were modified to sound the same as a particular valve amplifier."... - thetubeguy1954 09:25:57 05/22/07 (2)
        
        RE: "They were modified to sound the same as a particular valve amplifier."... - andy19191 00:03:41 05/23/07 (1)
        
        RE: "They were modified to sound the same as a particular valve amplifier."... - thetubeguy1954 10:40:03 05/23/07 (0)
        
        RE: "They were modified to sound the same as a particular valve amplifier."... - morricab 07:23:24 05/22/07 (0)
        
        You are simply correcting YOURSELF - E-Stat 07:00:55 05/22/07 (5)
        
        RE: You are simply correcting YOURSELF - andy19191 08:52:14 05/22/07 (4)
        
        Gotcha - E-Stat 09:19:29 05/22/07 (3)
        
        RE: Gotcha - andy19191 23:34:10 05/22/07 (2)
        
        I'm not at all surprised by your answer - E-Stat 14:41:10 05/24/07 (0)
        
        RE: Gotcha - Dan Banquer 04:25:43 05/23/07 (0)
        
        I do subjective listening without controls all the time and don't sell a thing... - Wellfed 22:45:19 05/21/07 (0)
  - RE: Audio Show Experiment....... - Todd Krieger 05:44:13 05/21/07 (3)
    - RE: Audio Show Experiment....... - andy19191 09:12:38 05/21/07 (2)
      - RE: Audio Show Experiment....... - Todd Krieger 21:28:31 05/21/07 (0)
      - RE: Audio Show Experiment....... - Dan Banquer 12:21:12 05/21/07 (0)
- RE: Audio Show Experiment....... - mls-stl 20:35:47 05/20/07 (0)
First war....excuse me, thread, under the new format - AJinFLA 04:23:19 05/20/07 (4)
- "Subjectively"! But how does it measure? (nt0 - mkuller 11:11:31 05/22/07 (0)
- The "new" format sucks. Long live the old format. nt - markrohr 15:04:40 05/21/07 (2)
  - Thank goodness. We're back to the "old" format ... - cheap-Jack 11:54:55 05/22/07 (1)
    - RE: Thank goodness. We're back to the "old" format ... - Curtis J 20:45:28 05/23/07 (0)
Science and Sensibility... - Wellfed 21:16:40 05/15/07 (56)
- This is a social science question obviously based on no research and not any of Einstein's famous questions. - Norm 18:02:52 05/18/07 (1)
  - Very well put! (nt) - Pat D 08:11:28 05/20/07 (0)
- Re: Science and Sensibility... - andy19191 01:56:37 05/18/07 (6)
  - Consider the source. (nt) - Dave Pogue 05:27:44 05/18/07 (5)
    - Einstein was highly regarded in his day... - Wellfed 10:28:43 05/18/07 (2)
      - What aspersions? - Dave Pogue 13:26:43 05/18/07 (1)
        
        It gets confusing sometimes... - Wellfed 13:43:53 05/18/07 (0)
    - Re: Consider the source. (nt) - andy19191 05:52:30 05/18/07 (1)
      - Have it your way, Andy. - Dave Pogue 06:00:50 05/18/07 (0)
- Any evidence Einstein was a people person? - soulfood 09:00:49 05/16/07 (8)
  - Re: Einstein was a regular guy - geoffkait 07:57:39 05/18/07 (1)
    - Yet another quote! However IMO, most pertinent evidence so far. ;^) (nt) - soulfood 15:11:27 05/18/07 (0)
  - Here is some evidence... - cheap-Jack 11:34:20 05/16/07 (5)
    - I really like... - Wellfed 18:02:42 05/16/07 (0)
    - Oh, those are gooooood!!!! - kerr 11:44:48 05/16/07 (3)
      - That's my favorite, too - E-Stat 15:46:25 05/16/07 (2)
        
        SM is here! - kerr 07:30:52 05/17/07 (1)
        
        Agreed!! (nt) - robert young 14:27:38 05/17/07 (0)
- So what have we learned ? - Lambda 08:00:37 05/16/07 (0)
- Don't Blame Science..... - Todd Krieger 02:15:49 05/16/07 (34)
  - Shot through the heart... - Wellfed 10:05:57 05/16/07 (3)
    - Re: Shot through the heart... - Todd Krieger 12:13:58 05/16/07 (2)
      - Off-Topic..... Sports and Intimidation..... - Todd Krieger 12:43:47 05/16/07 (1)
        
        Albert Einstein was so right when he said... - Wellfed 18:07:27 05/16/07 (0)
  - Re: Don't Blame Science..... - thetubeguy1954 05:06:01 05/16/07 (29)
    - Re: Don't Blame Science..... - Todd Krieger 11:56:21 05/16/07 (1)
      - Re: Don't Blame Science..... - thetubeguy1954 12:03:20 05/16/07 (0)
    - You just won the daily double. nt - Analog Scott 07:51:34 05/16/07 (26)
      - At least the objectivists are good for something! :) - kerr 08:15:35 05/16/07 (25)
        
        Indeed they do wear.... - Analog Scott 13:17:52 05/17/07 (0)
        
        Re: vinyl does wear each time played - mls-stl 05:27:32 05/17/07 (23)
        
        Re: vinyl does wear each time played - Todd Krieger 21:00:08 05/17/07 (3)
        
        Re: vinyl does wear each time played - kerr 04:39:56 05/18/07 (2)
        
        Re: vinyl does wear each time played - thetubeguy1954 07:07:37 05/18/07 (1)
        
        "... A Diamond Dragging Along a Piece of Vinyl...." - Todd Krieger 10:00:28 05/18/07 (0)
        
        So do your ears ... - Dave Pogue 19:08:45 05/17/07 (1)
        
        Yes, with lifetime durabililty like LPs, "who could ask for more" ! - cheap-Jack 08:32:08 05/18/07 (0)
        
        "Wear" yes - "Wear out" no. - kerr 07:35:20 05/17/07 (11)
        
        Re: semantics in action - mls-stl 13:57:05 05/17/07 (9)
        
        Re: semantics in action - kerr 04:36:06 05/18/07 (4)
        
        Re: you're a good example... - mls-stl 19:36:46 05/18/07 (3)
        
        You're forgiven... - kerr 05:21:07 05/21/07 (2)
        
        RE: Thanks, but I don't worry too much about forgiveness around here - mls-stl 14:21:06 05/21/07 (1)
        
        Ok - kerr 04:51:52 05/22/07 (0)
        
        "I know people who would consider any reduction in audio quality as unacceptable." - Analog Scott 14:01:00 05/17/07 (3)
        
        Re: "I know people who would consider any reduction in audio quality as unacceptable." - mls-stl 14:15:28 05/17/07 (2)
        
        Re: "I know people who would consider any reduction in audio quality as unacceptable." - Analog Scott 15:17:25 05/17/07 (1)
        
        Re: You seem to want the last word; consider it yours. nt. - mls-stl 20:09:02 05/17/07 (0)
        
        Science can predict a lot however... - Wellfed 09:54:44 05/17/07 (0)
        
        Vinyls wear out. So is our hearing. - cheap-Jack 07:14:38 05/17/07 (4)
        
        Re: Vinyls wear out. So is our hearing. - kerr 07:41:27 05/17/07 (3)
        
        Imagine what your system would sound like if you lisened to everything Nousaine had to say - Analog Scott 13:21:23 05/17/07 (0)
        
        Same applies to Belts' 'phenomenal' discovery. - cheap-Jack 07:53:22 05/17/07 (1)
        
        This violates the subjectivist in me - kerr 09:03:22 05/17/07 (0)
- Re: Science and Sensibility... - unclestu52 22:22:59 05/15/07 (1)
  - No, but I've heard the Holocaust never happened... - Wellfed 00:17:30 05/16/07 (0)

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