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In Reply to: RE: Re: Truth? I'm pretty sure that isn't the exact truth posted by Ethan Winer on May 21, 2007 at 11:48:47
Howdy Ethan
Discussing it is fine, just not on the Cables or Tweakers' Asyla :) Head on over to Prop Heads if you have the inclination. I don't :)
-Ted
Do you mean Tweakers' Asylum is now a DBT free zone, too? It doesn't seem to be designated that way in the Rules, which only designate Cables.
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"Opposition brings concord. Out of discord comes the fairest harmony."
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Ted: ""
Discussing it is fine, just not on the Cables or Tweakers' Asyla :) Head on over to Prop Heads if you have the inclination. I don't :)""
Why not discuss it here? I think that might be possible without invoking the DBT monster. Granted, it may get a tad technical, but why not?
Ethan, whenever your ready. Let's start with line cords..they're the easiest..
Cheers, John
testing...
E = 1/2 LI 2
LC = εμ
Oh man, this is major cool. Rod: I absolutely love the changes...pictures and html code at the same time? Definitely a keeper.
Cheers, John
I realized what happened. After reading a bit, it's apparent that this thread was moved from Tweaks or somewhere. I know why it happened.
-Rod
Did you upload those pictures again and then delete them or put them into another message or do anything odd?I was looking at the error logs to see what's up mext for bug fixes tomorrow and noticed 404 errors on your images. Sure enough, they aren't there. I also see a couple of missing id numbers in the db table that would be about the right time which should mean tjat the images were deletedh
Did you post, delete and then repost with the same image urls?
That doesn't work. Well, it does, if the original post is there. But the images get deleted with the message. If you wanted to edit, use the edit. You don't need to delete and repost to edit.
Let me know if you know what happened, so I don't worry that there's yet another bug floating around.
-Rod
John,
> I think that might be possible without invoking the DBT monster. <
I just checked the forum FAQ to see what you guys are talking about. Wow, you mean people are not allowed to discuss DBT here? That seems like "My mind is made up, don't confuse me with the facts." But I do understand that believers don't appreciate being challenged. Versus folks like me who are glad to be challenged and have the opportunity to explain something in more detail.
I posted the quote below somewhere else recently, and it seems appropriate here.
--Ethan
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Believer: "The sun orbits around the earth."
Galileo: "Not so! Using high quality monitoring [my telescope] shows that in fact the earth revolves around the sun."
Believer: "I can clearly see with my own eyes [ears] that the sun goes around the earth, and your claim of good monitoring does not convince me otherwise."
Galileo: "But wait, I can prove it with these math formulas [Shannon, Fourier, Nyquist]."
Believer: "Your math is not welcome here. Guard, take Galileo away and put him under house arrest."
You need to consider the issue from the viewpoint of the others.For example, a line cord. Many who hear a difference cannot express the reason mathematically to your satisfaction (nor mine), so are at a technical disadvantage in any scientific discussion. So any technical reasoning you (or I) can provide which counters their attempt at explanation is a rather one sided argument, no? The fact that they are unable to scientifically support what they perceive doesn't mean it doesn't exist.
We (scientific types) have to be careful not to arbitrarily discount the perceptions of others simply because we do not have a valid mechanism to explain what is perceived, and fallback into the ""it can't possibly be there"" mindset.. That certainly doesn't mean accept all the BS either..
Line cords are a perfect example. The statement by you regarding the wire going back to the pole, (and others going back to the substation or even the powerplant), disregards entirely aspects of power distribution (and more specifically, safety grounding) which are indeed troublesome to typical hifi enthusiasts.
Disregarding grounding issues is a disservice to the community at large, especially since it is us (engineer types) who require safety grounding with it's inherent coupling issues) on top of single ended equipment design (even balanced design has it's problems). That is precisely why I bothered to post a response here.
Invokation of DBT is one of those un-necessary scientific fallbacks, it does no service, and inherently fails to discriminate localization issues.
The alternative venue is of course, propheads. But a casual look there is enough to invoke the gag reflex..at least here, moderation maintains civility. You just have to accept the rules of engagement.
Cheers, John
ps...editing too, excellent...
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