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In Reply to: RE: Yeah, that was helpful! posted by kerr on May 31, 2007 at 08:17:21
"Now just need a knob to widen it and another to deepen it. "Deepening a soundstage is ridiculously easy, provided you know what you are doing, and yes it is at the turn of a knob.
Music making the painting, recording it the photograph
Edits: 05/31/07Follow Ups:
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Are you using this feature on the Behringer by any chance?? I noticed you can also steer it all over the place as well. Haven't tried it yet because the left and right channels need to be linked and I had them equalized separately.
MC: Are you using this feature on the Behringer by any chance??
TAH: Nope, I tweak the FR to get the desired effect.
Music making the painting, recording it the photograph
Well then that is totally an inaccurate recreation! I thought accuracy was your game and now I find you adjust the FR in the presence region?? Incredible. Why not just buy some B&Ws that have that dip built in to make a fake sense of space, which by the way doesn't replace the real reason that soundstage can occur, namely 1) its on the recording, 2) The HF response of the electronics are extremely clean allowing certain spacial cues to come through and 3) low level resolution in general. The fact that you don't get good soundstaging without manipulating the FR, especially with superb soundstagers like audiostatics, tells me you have a serious HF problem or low level resolution or both. The FR dip is a typical trip of midfi speakers to enhance "depth" also known as the "Gundry" dip. Bob Carver also used it to good effect but it is ultimately a gimick and can be heard as such.
My system measures flat and the soundstaging is fantastic. My friend's Apogee Grand system in Germany measures very flat and has the best soundstaging I have ever heard. No FR manipulation required, Period.
MC:Well then that is totally an inaccurate recreation! I thought accuracy was your game and now I find you adjust the FR in the presence region?? Incredible. Why not just buy some B&Ws that have that dip built in to make a fake sense of space, which by the way doesn't replace the real reason that soundstage can occur, namely 1) its on the recording, 2) The HF response of the electronics are extremely clean allowing certain spacial cues to come through and 3) low level resolution in general.
TAH: On the other hand, all this tells me is that you are bigot and a fool. The same effect was recreated through a pair AKG-701 headphones attached to WAD Headphone amplifier. Did the headphone amplifier also have HF problems?
MC:The fact that you don't get good soundstaging without manipulating the FR, especially with superb soundstagers like audiostatics, tells me you have a serious HF problem or low level resolution or both.
TAH: On the other hand, your comments tell me you are presumptuous and stupid. Talking missing the forest for the trees, sometimes you simply you surpass yourself.
MC:The FR dip is a typical trip of midfi speakers to enhance "depth" also known as the "Gundry" dip. Bob Carver also used it to good effect but it is ultimately a gimick and can be heard as such
TAH: Oh, Why did you not inform BBC and John Dunlavy of that, fool?
Music making the painting, recording it the photograph
> Deepening a soundstage is ridiculously easy, provided you know what you are doing, and yes it is at the turn of a knob. <
Do tell.
I told 'ya it was easy. All you need to do is put an active EQ in the circuit, diddle with the FR and voila !! Flat-as-a-corn-field-in-Iowa multi-tracked DG recordings will instantly reveal the deep and wide soundstaging found in well engineered minimally miked recordings such as from RCA Living Stereo, Telarc, and Reference Recordings!
rw
"Flat-as-a-corn-field-in-Iowa multi-tracked DG recordings will instantly reveal the deep and wide soundstaging found in well engineered minimally miked recordings such as from RCA Living Stereo, Telarc, and Reference Recordings!"
Yep, that is the kind of obtuse comment I have to expect from you.
Music making the painting, recording it the photograph
May you enjoy your slider based soundstaging!
Hehe. :)
rw
tweak the frequency response in upper midrange & lower treble specifically between 900Hz-5kHz. A good place to start is to look at the frequency response of the speakers famed to have deep soundstages and copy their FR in the region.Music making the painting, recording it the photograph
with which "famed to have deep soundstages" speaker did you model your experiments? Was that in your system or someone else's? What do the EQ curves look like?
rw
Since it is just for grins I wouldn't bother, I have no time to waste on your idiocy.
Music making the painting, recording it the photograph
You are merely speculating. Thought so.
rw
ES: You are merely speculating
TAH: I wasn't.
Music making the painting, recording it the photograph
That's how you "deepened" the soundstage on your boombox, right? :)
rw
that's the other knob. :)
rw
I've heard that there's a correlation between "knob gymnastics" and blindness. Might that be the reason for all the hollering for blind testing around here?
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