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In Reply to: RE: Who doesn't get it? posted by Todd Krieger on June 03, 2007 at 05:26:00
TK - You can play one here too..... Most people wouldn't be able to tell the difference.....
True. That would make two of us playing engineers here then eh. But now you're supposed to be an audiophile, who can perceive what others can't due to exceptional hearing. So why can't you perceive the awfulness of your speakers? How is it that you can hear RFI minutiae, yet be deaf to such massive coloration that could be easily shown in basic measurements and heard by anyone not deaf?
Unless, the goal *is* massive coloration? Is this why tube amps are preferred? To add on top of the already thick sauce?
cheers,
AJ
Absolute Perfect hearing and audio memory 24/7
Follow Ups:
"Unless, the goal *is* massive coloration?"
Massive coloration to who? The oscilloscope?
Simple question: Do you or do you not believe that some distortions are more audible than others to a human listener? If you agree with this basic premise then can you see how small amounts of audible distortion are more damaging to overall sonics than a relatively higher amount of masked distortion??
Become an engineer, and then talk sense to us.
"Become an engineer, and then talk sense to us."
If I had to do it over again, I would have posted on this board under a separate moniker: "Cleo the Clown"..... Mixing circus stories, bad humor, and technical discussion......
John, I bet if we sat around sampling all of the "stuff" you did during your years with Grateful Dead, everything I said would make perfect sense to us.
Unless we were laughing too hard or really tripping out.
Who knows, after several years of such mind "touring", my brain might have enough "Burn-in" that I might also be able to "hear" capacitors and whatnot like you do.
Which makes me question your suggestion. If, as you dearly profess, they don't teach you in engineering school how to think and hear things the way you do, why would you suggest that I go back? Isn't this a bit contradictory, if not hypocritical?
cheers,
AJ
Absolute Perfect hearing and audio memory 24/7
Ok folks, this is for everybody.
I got some of my best ideas for audio WHILE working for the Grateful Dead.
However, by that time, I was PREPARED. with a degree in physics, 4 years of engineering experience, and while working with the Grateful Dead, I took both undergraduate and graduate engineering courses at UCB, in order to fill in the blanks, so to speak, in my engineering knowledge.
Why the Dead, and not some classical music society? Well, the Dead can hear THEIR own sound very well, and are very touchy about it. Classical musicians tend to hear live music and their own live instruments, and don't care much about reproduced sound. I know this, because I married one, and I was on the staff of a classical music institute for 1 1/2 years, and ate, drank, and even married one of the musicians studying there.
The Dead were very strong in their opinions, and even showed me how electronics could change music, WHEN I would not measure any problem at the time. A classical musician seemed to be happy enough with a clock radio.
As far as chemical stimulation, it sometimes helps to get a person to think 'outside the box' and not be limited by the limitations of education and training, that are imposed since our childhood.
For a short article on this, check out; 'McIntosh' by Ken Kessler pp. 236-237
I was only joking about the drug stuff, but apparently you weren't. So you are saying that many years of listening to concert level SPLs combined with years of drug use have increased your abilities to hear minute differences in components? Increased ?
I guess since my auditory reference that I want my reproduction system to imitate is live, unamplified instruments, my audio goals are quite different than yours, which is to produce audio components that sound like grateful dead concerts.
The Dead were very strong in their opinions, and even showed me how electronics could change music, WHEN I would not measure any problem at the time.
They showed you? Your inability to measure any change proved them right?
Or proved your inability to measure what needed to be measured?
Once again, how is going to engineering school going to help me if it was the grateful dead teaching you, rather than any EE or Physics program? Shouldn't I be touring with a band listening at concert level SPL's and introducing chemicals into my brain - to better communicate with you?
As far as chemical stimulation, it sometimes helps to get a person to think 'outside the box' and not be limited by the limitations of education and training, that are imposed since our childhood.
Um, no. That's BS. I personally have nothing against individual use of certain chemicals, but the correlation between use and unorthodox thinking is baloney, as imaginary as a lot of your audiophile claims.
BTW, were you at the 1982 World Music Festival in Montego Bay Jamaica? That was my only Dead concert - and I though they sucked.
cheers,
AJ
Absolute Perfect hearing and audio memory 24/7
You are way off base. I broke with the Grateful Dead in 1974 when I was on the faculty at IHEM in Switzerland.
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