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Who here DOESN'T believe in The Freeze Effect? (Freezing items will improve sound?) - Posy Rorer 11:00:17 04/10/07 (138)
- Small clarification: I have no interest in proving -anything- to -anyone-. Prove it to yourselves. - Posy Rorer 12:20:26 04/11/07 (8)
  - How do we do that? You can't even define the test procedure. - Presto 16:23:42 04/11/07 (0)
  - Can you quote something more sonically relevant than a MP3 ? - cheap-Jack 13:56:17 04/11/07 (3)
    - Re: Can you quote something more sonically relevant than a MP3 ? - Posy Rorer 14:09:10 04/11/07 (2)
      - Enough for your bullshits. 'pal'. - cheap-Jack 08:27:33 04/12/07 (1)
        
        Okay, who's been poking Magilla the Gorilla? - Posy Rorer 22:10:52 04/12/07 (0)
  - After I establish something to my own satisfaction... - clarkjohnsen 12:44:42 04/11/07 (2)
    - Re: After I establish something to my own satisfaction... - Posy Rorer 13:05:25 04/11/07 (1)
      - I'd be more than glad to "do it" for them -- just please provide the funding. nt - clarkjohnsen 13:24:33 04/11/07 (0)
- Hey Mr. Wizard.... - SF tech 11:48:57 04/11/07 (9)
  - If we ignore her - Jim Austin 14:05:01 04/11/07 (1)
    - Amen! nt - clifff 14:12:49 04/11/07 (0)
  - SFTech: "We are all SO grateful for your extremely valuable post here"- Thanks! Then I'll post more like it! nt - Posy Rorer 12:14:10 04/11/07 (0)
  - Leave the kid alone before he got more spoiled. (nt) - cheap-Jack 12:03:28 04/11/07 (0)
  - Re: "Don't come here while the adults are having a discussion" - you're a scream. nt - geoffkait 11:53:40 04/11/07 (4)
    - Don't get me started Geoff... - SF tech 12:14:00 04/11/07 (3)
      - Re: Don't get me started Geoff... - geoffkait 12:30:40 04/11/07 (2)
        
        Geoff, I just can't get mad at you... - SF tech 13:04:22 04/11/07 (1)
        
        Re: Geoff, I just can't get mad at you... - geoffkait 13:44:29 04/11/07 (0)
- More concise answer::: I do not believe in The Freeze Effect". (I do not believe in conclusions w/o evidence) - Richard BassNut Greene 07:39:01 04/11/07 (3)
  - Tweaks are audible, but may not be substantiated... - cheap-Jack 08:33:14 04/11/07 (2)
    - when Tweaks are audible, they cant be substantiated... - tomservo 11:33:20 04/11/07 (1)
      - But if a female audiophile you knew decided to buy fancy expensive knobs for her gear ... - Richard BassNut Greene 08:04:19 04/12/07 (0)
- Observations + Hypotheses + Experiments = Science ...... believing in something is meaningless non-science (non-sense) - Richard BassNut Greene 07:27:49 04/11/07 (1)
  - Lonlieness+Boredom+Belief+Pseudo-Science = Posey Rorer (nt) - Presto 11:11:54 04/11/07 (0)
- Does Cryoing Work For Everything But Audio? - thetubeguy1954 07:18:34 04/11/07 (27)
  - Re: Does Cryoing Work For Everything But Audio? - Posy Rorer 12:24:00 04/11/07 (3)
    - Re: Sorry Didn't Mean To HiJack Your Post - thetubeguy1954 13:31:53 04/11/07 (0)
    - To support your "argument", - cheap-Jack 13:20:15 04/11/07 (1)
      - Re: To support your "argument", - Posy Rorer 14:00:33 04/11/07 (0)
  - Heat treatment of mechanical components is a given. - clifff 07:30:05 04/11/07 (22)
    - Re: Heat treatment of mechanical components is a given. - thetubeguy1954 09:21:42 04/11/07 (21)
      - "Ffreezing something in a typical home freezer will NOT produce any of the results cryogenic processing is noted for." ? - clarkjohnsen 12:50:12 04/11/07 (0)
      - advertising blurbs - clifff 09:46:07 04/11/07 (19)
        
        I See Civillity Is Wasted With You - thetubeguy1954 10:35:24 04/11/07 (16)
        
        What is wrong with you? - clifff 10:56:31 04/11/07 (8)
        
        You're Way Of Responding Is What's Wrong... - thetubeguy1954 11:45:08 04/11/07 (7)
        
        "That same arrogant vein." Hard to get some folks out of it. nt - clarkjohnsen 12:53:24 04/11/07 (1)
        
        I assume you are referring to me? Are you going to apologise as well? - clifff 04:52:42 04/12/07 (0)
        
        So saying something you agree with is sarcastic? - Pat D 12:09:40 04/11/07 (4)
        
        Pat Your Obsession With Me & What I Is Showing Again. - thetubeguy1954 13:19:54 04/11/07 (3)
        
        This is what I actually said: - clifff 13:51:30 04/11/07 (2)
        
        I Apologize Clifff - thetubeguy1954 14:13:54 04/11/07 (1)
        
        Accepted. nt - clifff 00:31:07 04/12/07 (0)
        
        There was nothng uncivil in Clifff's post. (nt) - Pat D 10:45:34 04/11/07 (6)
        
        I Disagree - thetubeguy1954 11:05:16 04/11/07 (2)
        
        You missed the point. I was not rude or disagreeing with you. But no matter. - clifff 13:11:55 04/11/07 (0)
        
        Are you looking for slights? - Pat D 12:11:35 04/11/07 (0)
        
        No, TG was right. Cliff was acting like a twit. As usual. nt - Posy Rorer 10:57:05 04/11/07 (2)
        
        So you are from the UK, then? nt - clifff 11:08:13 04/11/07 (0)
        
        Truer Words Were Never Spoken (nt) - thetubeguy1954 11:07:35 04/11/07 (0)
        
        Ah, you hit on something - kerr 09:54:02 04/11/07 (1)
        
        The Structural Changes Are Permanent - thetubeguy1954 10:52:48 04/11/07 (0)
- Serious answer and question - tomservo 07:14:35 04/11/07 (0)
- What IS this Rosy Porer? - clifff 07:04:05 04/11/07 (1)
  - Indeed. Who needs this joker around! (nt) - cheap-Jack 07:25:02 04/11/07 (0)
- Now that you have been proven correct about Prop. Head typical responses. - Norm 06:44:56 04/11/07 (0)
- FWIW..... - Todd Krieger 00:50:58 04/11/07 (8)
  - Don't you know, you're not entitled to your own opinion? nt - clarkjohnsen 11:56:06 04/11/07 (2)
    - (Guffaw!) Yeah! And if you were, your opinion would be wrong! :) (nt) - kerr 12:44:51 04/11/07 (1)
      - Goes almost without saying. nt - clarkjohnsen 12:59:00 04/11/07 (0)
  - Re: FWIW..... - Presto 11:20:47 04/11/07 (4)
    - Re: FWIW..... - Todd Krieger 21:21:42 04/11/07 (3)
      - I'm just reading the screen, man. - Presto 09:05:10 04/12/07 (2)
        
        Re: I'm just reading the screen, man. - Todd Krieger 11:33:28 04/12/07 (1)
        
        Poke. Poke. Poke. Poke. QUIT IT!! Poke. Poke. Poke.... gotcha! (nt) - Presto 17:43:22 04/12/07 (0)
- I would like some good evidence for it in audio. - Pat D 19:08:32 04/10/07 (12)
  - Don't hold your breath. And don't expect any Golden Ears to admit that their ears could be fooled by expectations - Richard BassNut Greene 07:31:38 04/11/07 (11)
    - Why Hold Our Breath When You Just Make Unsubstantiated Claims? - thetubeguy1954 09:43:34 04/11/07 (6)
      - What has this to do with the price of eggs in China? (nt) - Pat D 12:14:41 04/11/07 (0)
      - Interesting, how "objectivism" so often comes down to simply making assertions. nt - clarkjohnsen 11:54:24 04/11/07 (4)
        
        Re: Interesting, how "objectivism" so often comes down to simply making Unsubstantiated assertions. - thetubeguy1954 13:40:18 04/11/07 (2)
        
        It works both ways, tubey. (nt) - Pat D 18:51:47 04/11/07 (0)
        
        I sit corrected. nt - clarkjohnsen 13:48:55 04/11/07 (0)
        
        Interesting, how "subjectivism" so often comes down to simply making assertions. (nt) - Pat D 12:02:29 04/11/07 (0)
    - Your gross assumption again. - cheap-Jack 09:15:26 04/11/07 (2)
      - You would be a rare audiophile to use a sound meter to match A-B volumes - Richard BassNut Greene 08:10:21 04/12/07 (1)
        
        Wideband white noise & pink noise. (nt) - cheap-Jack 08:53:05 04/12/07 (0)
    - Gee thanks, Richard! I was turning blue . . . (nt) - Pat D 08:55:21 04/11/07 (0)
- Will hearing it make me "believe"? Or believing it make me hear it? nt - Presto 17:06:13 04/10/07 (0)
- You're still confused, newcomer! - cheap-Jack 13:12:11 04/10/07 (13)
  - Re: You're still confused, newcomer! - Posy Rorer 19:10:34 04/10/07 (12)
    - Enough is enough. Stop your soap show now, please. - cheap-Jack 08:02:20 04/11/07 (4)
      - cheap-Jack: Stop your character attacks. If you can't debate the audio content, dont respond. - Posy Rorer 10:50:05 04/11/07 (1)
        
        Works for me! nt - clarkjohnsen 11:52:21 04/11/07 (0)
      - Re: Say pretty please - geoffkait 10:18:39 04/11/07 (1)
        
        May I learn from you how to home freeze it "properly" ? - cheap-Jack 11:50:10 04/11/07 (0)
    - Re: You're still confused, newcomer! - morricab 05:42:31 04/11/07 (6)
      - Pinging cheap-Jack: Morricab would like a word with you. - Posy Rorer 10:46:23 04/11/07 (4)
        
        Re: Pinging cheap-Jack: Morricab would like a word with you. - morricab 16:01:19 04/11/07 (3)
        
        Re: Pinging cheap-Jack: Morricab would like a word with you. - Posy Rorer 23:05:33 04/12/07 (2)
        
        Re: Pinging cheap-Jack: Morricab would like a word with you. - morricab 02:27:03 04/13/07 (1)
        
        Re: Pinging cheap-Jack: Morricab would like a word with you. - Posy Rorer 12:34:45 04/13/07 (0)
      - Re: You're still confused, newcomer! - andy19191 06:24:11 04/11/07 (0)
- Why is the onus on us to disprove it for you? - Presto 12:11:35 04/10/07 (18)
  - Presto, stop trolling. - Posy Rorer 12:51:35 04/11/07 (2)
    - "The proof, listen carefully, 'is in the pudding." Good to be reminded... - clarkjohnsen 09:04:05 04/12/07 (0)
    - Posey. Your experiments are not repeatable. - Presto 15:07:51 04/11/07 (0)
  - Before Galileo - unclestu52 01:29:59 04/11/07 (2)
    - But Stu... - Presto 11:10:11 04/11/07 (1)
      - But Presto.... - unclestu52 23:29:02 04/11/07 (0)
  - Why Is There An "Onus" At All?? - Todd Krieger 01:03:19 04/11/07 (1)
    - Don't you mean 'anus'? - pburant 09:55:50 04/11/07 (0)
  - So who's asking you to disprove it? Read harder, Presto. (nt) - Posy Rorer 22:00:03 04/10/07 (5)
    - I'll give you three guesses. First two don't count... - Presto 23:31:27 04/10/07 (4)
      - Re: I'll give you three guesses. First two don't count... - May Belt 03:08:21 04/11/07 (1)
        
        You're excused, but... - Presto 10:32:13 04/11/07 (0)
      - So you're against real progress in audio, Presto? Why take up so many words to say that? (nt) - Posy Rorer 00:27:43 04/11/07 (1)
        
        Posey Posey Posey - Presto 10:51:28 04/11/07 (0)
  - Don't feed the trolls. - Al Sekela 13:02:33 04/10/07 (3)
    - YES, but this troll needs some briefing bigtime. (nt) - cheap-Jack 13:15:50 04/10/07 (2)
      - And at least one opportunity to state their case "scientifically or technically" nt - Presto 13:18:10 04/10/07 (1)
        
        Yea, I am all ears. (nt) - cheap-Jack 13:21:46 04/10/07 (0)
- "Prop Head is... mostly made up of unusually conservative minds." Hey! Watch your tongue! - clarkjohnsen 11:32:27 04/10/07 (24)
  - Re: "Prop Head is... mostly made up of unusually conservative minds." Hey! Watch your tongue! - morricab 14:11:02 04/10/07 (23)
    - Since no one has come out to say they disbelieve the Freeze Effect-does that mean it's accepted by everyone here? - Posy Rorer 21:57:35 04/10/07 (17)
      - Your initial proposition was clear; the responses were hostile. nt - clarkjohnsen 11:38:43 04/11/07 (0)
      - Re: Since no one has come out to say they disbelieve the Freeze Effect-does that mean it's accepted by everyone here? - morricab 06:11:22 04/11/07 (10)
        
        That would not be logical conclusion! - Pat D 12:54:40 04/11/07 (0)
        
        Re: Since no one has come out to say they disbelieve the Freeze Effect-does that mean it's accepted by everyone here? - Posy Rorer 08:54:10 04/11/07 (8)
        
        Re: Since no one has come out to say they disbelieve the Freeze Effect-does that mean it's accepted by everyone here? - morricab 09:40:32 04/11/07 (6)
        
        Re: Since no one has come out to say they disbelieve the Freeze Effect-does that mean it's accepted by everyone here? - geoffkait 10:41:18 04/11/07 (5)
        
        "That is if one is actually serious about getting to the bottom of this thing." But we all know the "one" ... - clarkjohnsen 11:36:55 04/11/07 (4)
        
        Mighty presumptuous of you Clark... - morricab 16:38:33 04/11/07 (0)
        
        Re: You're kidding, right? - geoffkait 12:11:02 04/11/07 (2)
        
        The "one" in question was m-cab. nt - clarkjohnsen 12:31:20 04/11/07 (1)
        
        Re: This all comes as quite a shock. :-) nt - geoffkait 12:38:11 04/11/07 (0)
        
        So you are asking morricab to prove the null hypothesis? - Pat D 09:03:16 04/11/07 (0)
      - Due to your peculiarly aggressive and antagonstic attitudes, I doubt many would care to interact with you... - tunenut 23:26:10 04/10/07 (4)
        
        Look around... aggressive & antagonistic attitudes are hardly "peculiar" on this forum. - Posy Rorer 00:46:05 04/11/07 (3)
        
        You counted the number of responses! Ha! Ha! - clifff 11:10:56 04/11/07 (1)
        
        No clown prince, "something like"=guess. Go sit in the corner now. nt - Posy Rorer 14:19:47 04/11/07 (0)
        
        "Bad attitudes will get you bad attitudes in return." - robert young 06:05:32 04/11/07 (0)
    - Re: Are you saying one is not repeatable? I'm curious, how do you know this? I'm betting you're just guessing. nt - geoffkait 14:32:01 04/10/07 (4)
      - Are you saying it IS repeatable? From your own personal experience? - morricab 06:18:08 04/11/07 (1)
        
        Re: Are you saying it IS repeatable? From your own personal experience? - geoffkait 07:01:02 04/11/07 (0)
      - Re: Are you saying one is not repeatable? I'm curious, how do you know this? I'm betting you're just guessing. nt - Mudcat 03:55:25 04/11/07 (1)
        
        Re: Tha's pretty funny, but - geoffkait 05:13:41 04/11/07 (0)
AJinFLA - The Bored 09:29:36 04/10/07 (5)
- Still no response? - AJinFLA 18:01:33 04/10/07 (3)
  - Re: Still no response? - The Bored 20:09:23 04/10/07 (2)
    - Re: Still no response? - AJinFLA 04:12:18 04/11/07 (1)
      - Re: Still no response? - The Bored 06:39:52 04/11/07 (0)
- Will do (nt) - AJinFLA 09:32:40 04/10/07 (0)
Why Isn't The Research Being Done? - thetubeguy1954 09:14:29 04/10/07 (17)
- Re: Why Isn't The Research Being Done? - Donald North 15:49:55 04/10/07 (11)
  - Re: Why Isn't The Research Being Done? - thetubeguy1954 13:36:17 04/11/07 (1)
    - Re: Why Isn't The Research Being Done? - Donald North 14:11:59 04/11/07 (0)
  - Re: Why Isn't The Research Being Done? - AJinFLA 17:56:35 04/10/07 (8)
    - Re: Why Isn't The Research Being Done? - Donald North 18:37:46 04/10/07 (7)
      - Coaxial dipole - AJinFLA 17:33:01 04/11/07 (5)
        
        Re: Coaxial dipole - Donald North 18:23:11 04/11/07 (4)
        
        Re: Coaxial dipole - AJinFLA 19:40:56 04/11/07 (3)
        
        Re: Coaxial dipole - Donald North 22:26:45 04/11/07 (2)
        
        Re: Coaxial dipole - AJinFLA 18:58:26 04/12/07 (1)
        
        Re: Coaxial dipole - Donald North 22:38:40 04/12/07 (0)
      - Re: Why Isn't The Research Being Done? - Pat D 19:21:42 04/10/07 (0)
- Re: Why Isn't The Research Being Done? - tomservo 10:38:27 04/10/07 (1)
  - Thanks Tom - thetubeguy1954 11:02:19 04/10/07 (0)
- It is - you just don't see it - Axon 09:31:08 04/10/07 (0)
- "Why isn't more research being invested into making recorded music sound more like live music?" That's easy! - clarkjohnsen 09:23:10 04/10/07 (1)
  - Sadly, I agree with your first sentence here Mr. CJ. nt - Presto 12:55:55 04/10/07 (0)
Prop head - rp1@surfnetusa.com 00:02:27 04/10/07 (29)
- I disagree there... - Presto 12:37:36 04/10/07 (3)
  - The weird thing is... - Wellfed 20:32:00 04/11/07 (0)
  - Re: I disagree there... - rp1@surfnetusa.com 21:56:49 04/10/07 (0)
  - Very well put! (nt) - robert young 14:38:19 04/10/07 (0)
- "This is NOT the room for discussion of tweaks." Hmm... - clarkjohnsen 08:56:16 04/10/07 (5)
  - Gatekeeper? Naw... - rp1@surfnetusa.com 10:17:52 04/10/07 (4)
    - "Even you, Clark, have to admit... - clarkjohnsen 12:06:34 04/10/07 (3)
      - Ok smart alec... - rp1@surfnetusa.com 22:56:52 04/10/07 (1)
        
        OK... ?? nt - clarkjohnsen 12:02:39 04/11/07 (0)
      - Oh yeah, I forgot... - rp1@surfnetusa.com 21:59:16 04/10/07 (0)
- Re: Prop head - May Belt 01:12:02 04/10/07 (18)
  - Cryoing... - rp1@surfnetusa.com 10:37:07 04/10/07 (11)
    - Re: Cryoing... - Posy Rorer 11:28:54 04/10/07 (4)
      - Hmm...not quite.... - rp1@surfnetusa.com 22:48:28 04/10/07 (2)
        
        Re: Hmm...not quite.... - Posy Rorer 01:06:40 04/11/07 (1)
        
        Re: Hmm...not quite.... - kerr 05:37:12 04/11/07 (0)
      - There can be ONLY ONE John Curl. And yes, he did hear the Intelligent Chip work. nt - clarkjohnsen 11:35:21 04/10/07 (0)
    - "Too much tweak/subjectivist talk chases the engineers away." Hey! - clarkjohnsen 10:46:09 04/10/07 (5)
      - Re: "Too much tweak/subjectivist talk chases the engineers away." Hey! - rp1@surfnetusa.com 11:27:11 04/10/07 (4)
        
        "You are a reviewer that makes your living off the more subjectivist part of your being." LOL! - clarkjohnsen 11:55:21 04/10/07 (2)
        
        So, you are more of a commentator than reviewer? - rp1@surfnetusa.com 23:31:29 04/10/07 (1)
        
        You got it! - clarkjohnsen 12:08:55 04/11/07 (0)
        
        Re: "Too much tweak/subjectivist talk chases the engineers away." Hey! - Posy Rorer 11:42:58 04/10/07 (0)
  - Are you talk about Cryogenics or frige freeze tweaking ????? - cheap-Jack 09:00:57 04/10/07 (5)
    - Re: Are you talk about Cryogenics or frige freeze tweaking ????? - May Belt 14:35:21 04/10/07 (3)
      - You got to get the basic concept right. - cheap-Jack 13:00:01 04/11/07 (0)
      - I guess I didn't get the memo. - Presto 15:59:14 04/10/07 (1)
        
        Perhaps we should start a... - rp1@surfnetusa.com 22:16:44 04/10/07 (0)
    - Re: Are you talk about Cryogenics or frige freeze tweaking ????? - Posy Rorer 10:32:55 04/10/07 (0)
To The Bored THANK-YOU - thetubeguy1954 10:24:48 04/09/07 (0)
Can I plead for a cessation of personal attacks. - May Belt 03:07:32 04/09/07 (52)
- Questioning unproven claims about controversial "tweak" products is not a personal attack on your character. - Richard BassNut Greene 07:40:16 04/10/07 (0)
- This is a forum for technical topics - andy_c 21:00:24 04/09/07 (3)
  - EXACTLY! (nt) - Presto 22:19:50 04/09/07 (0)
  - Re: This is a forum for technical topics - Posy Rorer 21:18:57 04/09/07 (1)
    - Moderators, please be aware that - cheap-Jack 08:00:36 04/10/07 (0)
- Those wearing "Bulls-Eye" Shirts often make similar complaints... (nt) - Presto 18:23:01 04/09/07 (0)
- Re: Can I plead for a cessation of personal attacks. - Posy Rorer 13:50:15 04/09/07 (7)
  - "(I've only been back on AA for all of about 2 weeks now)." - robert young 09:44:03 04/10/07 (0)
  - Re: Can I plead for a cessation of personal attacks. - Pat D 15:08:25 04/09/07 (0)
  - I questioned that risible phrase "controversial tweaks" when it first appeared, wondering where... - clarkjohnsen 14:31:02 04/09/07 (4)
    - snake oil + political correctness = "controversial tweaks" (nt) - Presto 22:21:30 04/09/07 (0)
    - Re: I questioned that risible phrase "controversial tweaks" when it first appeared, wondering where... - The Bored 14:54:45 04/09/07 (2)
      - Now *that* was a quick response! However: - clarkjohnsen 15:00:26 04/09/07 (1)
        
        Re: Now *that* was a quick response! However: - The Bored 18:33:22 04/09/07 (0)
- No one hears your screams - kerr 10:09:11 04/09/07 (0)
- Add me to the list of attackers against commercial activities here. - cheap-Jack 09:02:12 04/09/07 (15)
  - Re: Add me to the list of attackers against commercial activities here. - May Belt 10:41:19 04/09/07 (14)
    - Fair is fair, May. - cheap-Jack 11:33:38 04/09/07 (5)
      - Re: Fair is fair, May. - Posy Rorer 15:04:32 04/09/07 (4)
        
        Lower your voice & learn civil. - cheap-Jack 12:51:20 04/10/07 (2)
        
        Re: Lower your voice & learn civil. - Posy Rorer 17:54:33 04/10/07 (1)
        
        Methinks you have too much time on your hands; he isn't worth it nt - clarkjohnsen 14:50:12 04/11/07 (0)
        
        Yeah! That's what I was gonna say! nt - clarkjohnsen 12:14:34 04/10/07 (0)
    - May, he's being ridiculous. It's not what he styles as your "sales pitches" that he finds objectionable... - clarkjohnsen 11:25:08 04/09/07 (7)
      - Would "conditioned minds" take in any snake oils? - cheap-Jack 11:54:03 04/09/07 (6)
        
        Re: Would "conditioned minds" take in any snake oils? - Posy Rorer 15:09:41 04/09/07 (0)
        
        "...can't be rationalized with even the remotest scientific reasoning." You got proof for that assertion? nt - clarkjohnsen 12:14:20 04/09/07 (4)
        
        Pardon ny ignorance, please enlgihten me.. - cheap-Jack 12:18:58 04/09/07 (3)
        
        I knew it: No proof! - clarkjohnsen 13:31:30 04/09/07 (2)
        
        So where are your technical explanations ? - cheap-Jack 13:45:56 04/09/07 (1)
        
        Those Qs have been answered at length elsewhere; your demands must be made upon yourself, to do the research. - clarkjohnsen 14:13:35 04/09/07 (0)
- Re: Can I plead for a cessation of personal attacks. - thetubeguy1954 08:53:11 04/09/07 (2)
  - Poor Tom - AJinFLA 09:34:39 04/09/07 (1)
    - Guess what, guys? - The Bored 10:08:16 04/09/07 (0)
- Re: Can I plead for a cessation of personal attacks. - tomservo 08:36:39 04/09/07 (16)
  - Re: Ya got that a little confused - geoffkait 09:54:15 04/09/07 (15)
    - WHAAT!? The people who *demand* DBTs should be doing them?! Here's my reply: - clarkjohnsen 11:13:02 04/09/07 (1)
      - Re: OK, but... - geoffkait 12:13:45 04/09/07 (0)
    - An opinion if you please - Russ57 10:18:13 04/09/07 (12)
      - Yes that can be a problem - Analog Scott 12:45:54 04/09/07 (2)
        
        ST or DBT, we're all human who is prone to err. (nt) - cheap-Jack 12:56:18 04/09/07 (1)
        
        Your point? (nt) - Analog Scott 13:38:53 04/09/07 (0)
      - Re: An opinion if you please - Posy Rorer 11:06:34 04/09/07 (7)
        
        "I've done DBT's on people using Belt (PWB) products " - Pat D 07:08:55 04/10/07 (0)
        
        Okay lets run with this a bit - Russ57 12:06:54 04/09/07 (5)
        
        Re: Okay lets run with this a bit - Posy Rorer 19:16:38 04/09/07 (4)
        
        Please - and keep running after you've hit the door... - Presto 17:59:42 04/10/07 (2)
        
        Presto - why do you always respond with personal attacks? Please learn to behave or leave. - Posy Rorer 23:15:54 04/10/07 (1)
        
        You haven't seen a personal attack yet. nt - Presto 18:32:50 04/11/07 (0)
        
        I guess I am lucky - Russ57 06:34:03 04/10/07 (0)
      - Re: That's an interesting question - geoffkait 10:47:36 04/09/07 (0)
- Richard BassNut Greene is the worse for his post, not you May. - Norm 06:28:45 04/09/07 (0)
9 hours with the Linkwitz Labs Orion loudspeaker system - kerr 20:23:51 04/07/07 (23)
- What you heard - AJinFLA 09:40:20 04/08/07 (2)
  - Re: What you heard - kerr 14:24:08 04/08/07 (0)
  - the result of the 'scientific method? - Analog Scott 11:11:11 04/08/07 (0)
- Will you swear you were not drunk or stoned when listening and did not get biased by positive reviews? - Richard BassNut Greene 21:41:23 04/07/07 (7)
  - Why drunk *or* stoned? Why not both? (nt) - AJinFLA 10:19:10 04/08/07 (0)
  - That's two separate questions - kerr 09:14:27 04/08/07 (5)
    - "He used generic wire on purpose as he wanted to get to know the speakers on their own without adding anything" - Richard BassNut Greene 16:27:17 04/08/07 (3)
      - Re: "He used generic wire on purpose as he wanted to get to know the speakers on their own without adding anything" - kerr 16:45:20 04/08/07 (2)
        
        You already believe better wire will make the Orions sound better = expectations bias - Richard BassNut Greene 17:00:09 04/08/07 (1)
        
        And I already believe holding a lighted match to my finger will burn! - kerr 05:42:57 04/09/07 (0)
    - Rest assured - AJinFLA 10:39:30 04/08/07 (0)
- These are the most favorably reviewed speakers in the history of audio - Richard BassNut Greene 21:37:02 04/07/07 (11)
  - That is an easy one. - fortysomething 22:15:28 04/08/07 (0)
  - Re:These are the most favorably reviewed speakers in the history of audio. Jeez Richard, that's rather subjectisvist. - AJinFLA 10:15:55 04/08/07 (4)
    - Re:These are the most favorably reviewed speakers in the history of audio. Jeez Richard, that's rather subjectisvist. - morricab 05:27:16 04/10/07 (0)
    - No one needs blind tests of speakers to know what they hear with accuracy -- speakers are subjective - Richard BassNut Greene 16:16:11 04/08/07 (2)
      - Re: No one needs blind tests of speakers to know what they hear with accuracy -- speakers are subjective - AJinFLA 17:11:43 04/08/07 (1)
        
        ''Must be the you-are-now-a-subjectivist thing where everything is taken seriously and literally." - Richard BassNut Greene 17:36:14 04/08/07 (0)
  - I just changed my mind - kerr 09:26:38 04/08/07 (4)
    - Kerr you don't need reviews BEFORE you hear speakers and certainly don't need reviews AFTER - Richard BassNut Greene 16:25:02 04/08/07 (1)
      - Not a question of "need" - kerr 16:57:02 04/08/07 (0)
    - I hate to tell you this - AJinFLA 09:50:47 04/08/07 (1)
      - Re: I hate to tell you this - kerr 14:12:40 04/08/07 (0)
Analog vs Digital - thetubeguy1954 06:13:27 04/06/07 (28)
- The real argument is Good Illusion of live music versus Bad illusion -- analog or digital make little difference - Richard BassNut Greene 08:09:05 04/06/07 (27)
  - where a string quartet pretended to play music in an auditorium - Robert Hamel 16:24:24 04/06/07 (1)
    - live music videos can create the same "you are there" illusion for surround sound - Richard BassNut Greene 20:10:05 04/06/07 (0)
  - Re: The real argument is Good Illusion of live music versus Bad illusion -- analog or digital make little difference - thetubeguy1954 14:29:45 04/06/07 (23)
    - I have always assumed that the purported AR demonstration was apocryphal. - Norm 11:51:19 04/07/07 (1)
      - Heck, even Edison was able to fool (!) audiences with his "tone tests". That's nothing! nt - clarkjohnsen 12:15:17 04/07/07 (0)
    - All experienced audiophiles were fooled by AR at the audio shows - Richard BassNut Greene 20:30:25 04/06/07 (20)
      - That just isn't true. Do you believe everything you read in the papers? nt - clarkjohnsen 10:38:12 04/07/07 (3)
        
        I was at an audio show demonstration. This is a first-hand report. (If you are the author I sure don't believe it) - Richard BassNut Greene 16:35:10 04/07/07 (2)
        
        So now it's all about you. What about, "All experienced audiophiles were fooled"? References, please. nt - clarkjohnsen 11:05:12 04/09/07 (1)
        
        This is a first-hand report about a crowd of audiophiles at a high-fi show (not it's not all about me) (nt) - Richard BassNut Greene 08:07:27 04/10/07 (0)
      - Re: All experienced audiophiles were fooled by AR at the audio shows - kerr 07:52:34 04/07/07 (8)
        
        Are you agreeing with me? ... So there's nothing to argue about? - Richard BassNut Greene 08:35:20 04/07/07 (7)
        
        Well, if it'll make you feel better - kerr 09:01:58 04/07/07 (6)
        
        "I'm off to audition speakers... with a subwoofer... and a solid state amp... and equalization...and generic cables" - Richard BassNut Greene 09:47:55 04/07/07 (5)
        
        Re: "I'm off to audition speakers... with a subwoofer... and a solid state amp... and equalization...and generic cables" - kerr 20:02:00 04/07/07 (4)
        
        Kerr you are quite a diplomat with a good sense of humor -- ever think of running for some office? - Richard BassNut Greene 21:16:51 04/07/07 (3)
        
        Quite a dip-WHAT??? - kerr 09:20:50 04/08/07 (2)
        
        Dogs are not served in Greek restaurants - Richard BassNut Greene 16:32:18 04/08/07 (1)
        
        So it's not a Dog Eat Dog world after all! - kerr 16:52:08 04/08/07 (0)
      - Re: All experienced audiophiles were fooled by AR at the audio shows - Dan Banquer 07:42:02 04/07/07 (2)
        
        I was thinking of the SPL peaks of live classical music orchestras not the high average SPL at amplified rock concert - Richard BassNut Greene 08:15:38 04/07/07 (1)
        
        Re: I was thinking of the SPL peaks of live classical music orchestras not the high average SPL at amplified rock concer - Dan Banquer 12:50:20 04/07/07 (0)
      - Re: All experienced audiophiles were fooled by AR at the audio shows - Analog Scott 23:14:12 04/06/07 (0)
      - Ahh Richard! You always see the big picture. (nt) - Pat D 21:50:49 04/06/07 (2)
        
        Actually if you choose the right wires, the music will be so real ... - Richard BassNut Greene 08:38:38 04/07/07 (1)
        
        Humph! - Pat D 13:28:43 04/09/07 (0)
  - The Difference Isn't So Much the Illusion or the Fidelity At Face Value...... - Todd Krieger 10:52:27 04/06/07 (0)
3rd (Final) Section of 20th and 21st Century Science - geoffkait 03:24:39 04/06/07 (0)
Single-ended Amplifiers - AJinFLA 18:53:01 04/05/07 (0)
Middle Section of article, "20th and 21st Century Science" - geoffkait 07:50:42 04/04/07 (19)
- 21st Century Science - tomservo 17:56:59 04/05/07 (17)
  - I love it when people actually DO science... - Wellfed 11:10:12 04/06/07 (6)
    - here you go - tunenut 13:22:51 04/06/07 (5)
      - From the horses mouth comes nothing I want on me. - tomservo 15:52:52 04/06/07 (3)
        
        I subscribe... - Wellfed 17:52:22 04/06/07 (1)
        
        "Again, in spite of that, we call this Friday good." "That" being, in this case... - clarkjohnsen 10:36:02 04/07/07 (0)
        
        all good thoughts - tunenut 17:25:48 04/06/07 (0)
      - I'm on vacation... - Wellfed 14:13:12 04/06/07 (0)
  - Re: 21st Century Science - May Belt 02:08:37 04/06/07 (8)
    - May Belt: "For people interested in the history of scientific discoveries" .... You don't seem very interested to me - Richard BassNut Greene 16:52:14 04/08/07 (2)
      - Nice try, troll. What's the matter, not getting enough attention at school? - Posy Rorer 21:21:15 04/08/07 (1)
        
        No sign of intelligent life in your post, ... Just mindless character attacks - Richard BassNut Greene 22:07:00 04/08/07 (0)
    - Re: 21st Century Science - tomservo 09:00:02 04/07/07 (3)
      - Re: 21st Century Science - geoffkait 11:45:35 04/07/07 (0)
      - Re: 21st Century Science - May Belt 10:43:56 04/07/07 (1)
        
        Re: 21st Century Science - tomservo 12:27:25 04/07/07 (0)
    - Scooter123: " I am an Applied Scientist and do not believe that your treatments work." What's belief got... - clarkjohnsen 13:42:50 04/06/07 (0)
  - I thought I was raising my stereos volume telepathically once, then realized I was sitting on the remote - AJinFLA 18:41:28 04/05/07 (0)
- "strange creatures" - tunenut 13:31:51 04/04/07 (0)
Brittle / Hardening of earphone cables. - clifff 05:14:52 04/03/07 (7)
- This has happened to quite expensive sets. - clifff 01:26:54 04/04/07 (0)
- They're just happy to see you (nt) - E-Stat 14:00:07 04/03/07 (0)
- Typically UV, cold temps, or low quality plasticizer which.... - Russ57 11:14:50 04/03/07 (0)
- You mean earbuds, not headphones ? - cheap-Jack 09:32:23 04/03/07 (1)
  - Some are earbuds, some "hookover" mono earpieces. - clifff 09:54:24 04/03/07 (0)
- Re: Brittle / Hardening of earphone cables. - Pat D 08:46:01 04/03/07 (0)
- Re: Brittle / Hardening of earphone cables. - Dan Banquer 05:26:56 04/03/07 (0)
20th and 21st Century Science - geoffkait 04:39:48 04/03/07 (83)
- Steven Hawking Said... - thetubeguy1954 13:42:41 04/05/07 (0)
- PEAR was closed last month - WinthorpeIII 14:46:50 04/04/07 (3)
  - Re: My dear sir... - geoffkait 14:58:40 04/04/07 (2)
    - ok - WinthorpeIII 15:05:29 04/04/07 (1)
      - Re: I see what you mean... - geoffkait 15:10:31 04/04/07 (0)
- Please help me understand - Analog Scott 08:52:49 04/03/07 (77)
  - That is for the Link of Spirited Goohooery (LSG) to work out - andy_c 19:33:30 04/04/07 (0)
  - Re: Now, That's funny. nt - geoffkait 10:36:49 04/03/07 (0)
  - Re: Please help me understand - Posy Rorer 09:24:36 04/03/07 (71)
    - Re: Please help me understand - Todd Krieger 11:50:44 04/04/07 (3)
      - Re: Uh, oh... - geoffkait 13:22:52 04/04/07 (2)
        
        Re: Uh, oh... - Todd Krieger 22:18:49 04/04/07 (1)
        
        Re: Uh, oh... - geoffkait 04:09:06 04/05/07 (0)
    - Hey Posy... - Jim Austin 14:53:50 04/03/07 (4)
      - Re: Hey Posy... - Posy Rorer 16:29:36 04/03/07 (3)
        
        Yeah, whatever - Jim Austin 18:19:56 04/03/07 (2)
        
        Re: Yeah, whatever - Posy Rorer 19:59:55 04/03/07 (1)
        
        "It must have been terribly challenging acquiring a Phd." Lord that's funny! nt - clarkjohnsen 09:24:34 04/04/07 (0)
    - where's the science? - Analog Scott 09:27:44 04/03/07 (61)
      - "...until science has investigated the phenomenon." Translation: - clarkjohnsen 12:09:31 04/03/07 (34)
        
        Clark, your observations echo the work of Thomas S. Kuhn... - David W. Robinson 11:51:47 04/05/07 (1)
        
        Yeah, thanks. Regrettably that book is nearly impenetrable, so I prefer to wing it. nt - clarkjohnsen 11:21:10 04/06/07 (0)
        
        What group of people would you lable the "academe" in high end audio? - jensw 16:18:11 04/03/07 (25)
        
        Audio academe is embodied by the AES. Have you read their Journal lately? If so... - clarkjohnsen 08:36:58 04/04/07 (23)
        
        Re: Audio academe is embodied by the AES. Have you read their Journal lately? If so... - May Belt 14:33:02 04/04/07 (22)
        
        an establishment that persists in frenetically sweeping legitimate genres of new phenomena under its intellectual carpet - Richard BassNut Greene 17:10:06 04/08/07 (0)
        
        "If you can apply a chemical to the label side of a CD,..." - BS64 12:06:03 04/06/07 (7)
        
        Re: "If you can apply a chemical to the label side of a CD,..." - May Belt 03:44:19 04/07/07 (6)
        
        read your statement carefully - BS64 04:13:28 04/07/07 (5)
        
        Re: read your statement carefully - May Belt 10:52:10 04/07/07 (4)
        
        "Please give people credit for having the intelligence to know whether they heard just a 'difference' " - Richard BassNut Greene 17:59:13 04/08/07 (0)
        
        "if you manufacture audio equipment you HAVE to investigate" - BS64 12:35:47 04/08/07 (2)
        
        Re: "if you manufacture audio equipment you HAVE to investigate" - Posy Rorer 17:53:33 04/15/07 (1)
        
        "Unless of course it has a barcode on the bottle" - BS64 10:56:14 04/16/07 (0)
        
        Re: Audio academe is embodied by the AES. Have you read their Journal lately? If so... - Posy Rorer 19:08:22 04/04/07 (10)
        
        Thus a simple religous experience and belief system. - clifff 01:13:36 04/05/07 (9)
        
        I agree. Audio DBTs ARE a simple religous experience and belief system. No point in debating them. (nt) - Posy Rorer 16:19:21 04/08/07 (7)
        
        Yeah SURE ..... "I know what I hear and couldn't be wrong" is pure objectivity !!!!!! - Richard BassNut Greene 18:14:15 04/08/07 (6)
        
        Richard Bassnuts: did someone forget to change your diapers? - Posy Rorer 21:54:49 04/08/07 (5)
        
        Your post contains only character attacks -- no audio content (nt) - Richard BassNut Greene 22:09:46 04/08/07 (4)
        
        Whereas your posts contain unprovoked defamatory character attacks- Sorry, you only get what you deserve, troll. - Posy Rorer 23:34:12 04/08/07 (3)
        
        "...the worst I have ever seen on AA." Don't get around much any more, eh? nt - clarkjohnsen 11:58:56 04/09/07 (1)
        
        I never did get around much on AA. So Bassnuts may not be the worst offender here, but it's not for lack of effort. (nt) - Posy Rorer 15:23:12 04/09/07 (0)
        
        What a poser! nt - clifff 23:44:17 04/08/07 (0)
        
        I could try... - Wellfed 17:58:55 04/05/07 (0)
        
        Re: Audio academe is embodied by the AES. Have you read their Journal lately? If so... - john curl 16:07:20 04/04/07 (1)
        
        Re: I know what you mean, John - geoffkait 16:48:19 04/04/07 (0)
        
        Re: What group of people would you lable the "academe" in high end audio? - john curl 17:07:56 04/03/07 (0)
        
        Your translation is inbedded in the age old debate and has nothing to do with what I am saying - Analog Scott 12:54:51 04/03/07 (5)
        
        "The very essence of science is to challenge the status quo." Funniest line I've read in weeks! - clarkjohnsen 10:18:11 04/04/07 (1)
        
        "Audio affords us an excellent paradigm of this process.?" Indeed you are far too entrnched - Analog Scott 10:44:55 04/05/07 (0)
        
        Re: Your translation is inbedded in the age old debate and has nothing to do with what I am saying - john curl 17:09:28 04/03/07 (2)
        
        I wouldn't know that about the JAES... - Analog Scott 17:32:18 04/03/07 (1)
        
        Re: I wouldn't know that about the JAES... - john curl 20:43:18 04/03/07 (0)
      - Re: where's the science? - Posy Rorer 09:40:02 04/03/07 (25)
        
        You want me to investigate? Whatever gave you the idea tyhat I am a scientist? - Analog Scott 11:24:55 04/03/07 (3)
        
        Re: You want me to investigate? Whatever gave you the idea tyhat I am a scientist? - Posy Rorer 15:46:08 04/03/07 (2)
        
        Perhaps you need to read harder - Analog Scott 16:47:18 04/03/07 (1)
        
        Read harder? That doesn't even make sense. (nt) - Posy Rorer 19:11:54 04/04/07 (0)
        
        A not very responsive answer. - Pat D 11:09:48 04/03/07 (20)
        
        Re: A not very responsive answer. - Posy Rorer 15:53:56 04/03/07 (19)
        
        "Takes the whole fun out of audio, when you [even suspect] how it might work." LOL! Indeed... - clarkjohnsen 10:52:27 04/04/07 (3)
        
        It's a matter of taste and inclination. - Pat D 11:45:19 04/04/07 (2)
        
        Fortunately (for me), I have a *sound* technical background. nt - clarkjohnsen 11:02:53 04/05/07 (0)
        
        Re: It's a matter of taste and inclination. - Posy Rorer 19:21:08 04/04/07 (0)
        
        Re: A not very responsive answer. - Pat D 19:16:19 04/03/07 (5)
        
        Re: A not very responsive answer. - Posy Rorer 20:15:53 04/04/07 (4)
        
        Re: A not very responsive answer. - Pat D 21:27:39 04/04/07 (3)
        
        Re: A not very responsive answer. - Posy Rorer 10:08:42 04/05/07 (2)
        
        Research and development is fine, but why should I as a consumer bother with unproven products? - Pat D 13:10:58 04/05/07 (1)
        
        That's not very responsive, Pat. - Posy Rorer 17:28:45 04/06/07 (0)
        
        "But, it's not for the spineless, that I will admit". Me too. It's for the brainless. But that too requires no spine nt - AJinFLA 17:42:22 04/03/07 (0)
        
        "Since he asked about the phenomenon, " Where did you get that? - Analog Scott 16:50:57 04/03/07 (7)
        
        Re: "Since he asked about the phenomenon, " Where did you get that? - Posy Rorer 20:17:54 04/04/07 (6)
        
        At least you are reliable? - Analog Scott 21:29:51 04/04/07 (5)
        
        Re: At least you are reliable? - Posy Rorer 10:02:32 04/05/07 (4)
        
        "what was the question?" - Analog Scott 11:01:59 04/05/07 (3)
        
        Re: "what was the question?" - Posy Rorer 17:37:13 04/06/07 (2)
        
        still not making any sense - Analog Scott 07:27:43 04/07/07 (1)
        
        Re: still not making any sense - Posy Rorer 16:38:21 04/08/07 (0)
  - geoffkait = Einstein, apparently (NT) - tunenut 09:00:47 04/03/07 (2)
    - Einstein was warped, not crooked (nt) - AJinFLA 14:08:16 04/03/07 (1)
      - space is warped, not Einstein (NT) - tunenut 15:41:07 04/03/07 (0)
How to Spec a Dedicated AC Line? - Omera_T 04:49:46 04/02/07 (52)
- How you get the fancy idea of detached ground rods for your audio? - cheap-Jack 13:22:11 04/03/07 (4)
  - Re: How you get the fancy idea of detached ground rods for your audio? - Omera_T 13:47:15 04/03/07 (3)
    - Didicated powerlines need isolated ground cable but - cheap-Jack 07:57:40 04/04/07 (2)
      - Re: Didicated powerlines need isolated ground cable but - Omera_T 04:09:26 04/05/07 (1)
        
        Have you got any problem now with ground noises? - cheap-Jack 09:30:22 04/09/07 (0)
- Re: How to Spec a Dedicated AC Line? - tomservo 07:16:19 04/02/07 (23)
  - How much we know about isolation transformers ? - cheap-Jack 09:31:57 04/04/07 (0)
  - Ferroresonant transformer is not good for audio - Jon Risch 21:01:07 04/02/07 (4)
    - Re: Ferroresonant transformer is not good for audio - rcanova 12:10:27 04/03/07 (0)
    - Glad you can tell not all powerline transformers sound good. (nt) - cheap-Jack 11:48:51 04/03/07 (0)
    - Re: Ferroresonant transformer is not good for audio - tomservo 08:16:40 04/03/07 (1)
      - Re: Ferroresonant transformer is not good for audio - Omera_T 04:18:19 04/05/07 (0)
  - Who is fooling whom ? Stick to the topic, pls. - cheap-Jack 09:18:39 04/02/07 (16)
    - Re: Who is fooling whom ? Stick to the topic, pls. - tomservo 11:11:48 04/02/07 (0)
    - Tom always sticks to the topic - Russ57 10:48:36 04/02/07 (14)
      - The topic is about dedicated powerlines not transformers. - cheap-Jack 12:03:59 04/02/07 (13)
        
        Likewise, you'll be a"wiser" "ass" to stay away. (nt). - cheap-Jack 12:22:48 04/02/07 (9)
        
        Hold on here, are you calling me an ass Jack? - Russ57 14:46:59 04/02/07 (2)
        
        You make your points. - cheap-Jack 18:53:31 04/02/07 (0)
        
        Take it easy. The post was intended for Cliff but was misplaced. - cheap-Jack 18:15:41 04/02/07 (0)
        
        Is that some kind of threat?? Are you the thread police, or what? - clifff 13:17:16 04/02/07 (5)
        
        Thou shalt not awe. Amen. - cheap-Jack 13:30:38 04/02/07 (4)
        
        Listening is believing. Right. So if people (like you) hear ghosts, then ghosts must be real and believable (nt) - AJinFLA 14:22:28 04/02/07 (2)
        
        Did I hear some ghosts' murmuring ? (nt) - cheap-Jack 09:35:58 04/03/07 (1)
        
        Yes you did. It's coming from your stereo. But don't bother measuring, won't show up. Cuz it's all inside your head (nt) - AJinFLA 17:03:45 04/03/07 (0)
        
        What on earth does that mean? - clifff 13:41:28 04/02/07 (0)
        
        I wiser man would check on who he is debating with before making an even bigger ass of himself. nt - clifff 12:15:46 04/02/07 (2)
        
        BTW, an English "ass" is related to a donkey ... - clifff 13:46:06 04/02/07 (1)
        
        Here in the West, "ass" can mean something else. (nt) - cheap-Jack 13:52:44 04/02/07 (0)
- Grounding..... - Todd Krieger 05:32:35 04/02/07 (22)
  - Hey Todd... - Presto 13:49:26 04/04/07 (4)
    - Interesting You Mention That...... - Todd Krieger 02:40:55 04/05/07 (3)
      - Found It! - Todd Krieger 02:58:04 04/05/07 (2)
        
        AWESOME Todd... Thank you. That's a keeper! :o) - Presto 11:31:30 04/05/07 (1)
        
        It gets even better. He disagrees with Rane Note 110... - Presto 11:43:53 04/05/07 (0)
  - Are you referring to... - Presto 09:34:06 04/02/07 (5)
    - Re: Are you referring to... - Todd Krieger 23:45:15 04/02/07 (4)
      - Re: Are you referring to... - Presto 11:57:14 04/03/07 (3)
        
        Re: Are you referring to... - gbeard 12:01:55 04/04/07 (2)
        
        It makes a very interesting statement about separate ground rods too!! - Presto 12:41:45 04/04/07 (1)
        
        FWIW, acording to BOTH articles, it's a code violation. (nt) - Presto 13:53:02 04/04/07 (0)
  - One hears this often here, but my city inspector sees no issue with a separate audio ground for my listening room. - Norm 06:49:58 04/02/07 (10)
    - Because most folks do not understand Ohm's Law. - Al Sekela 11:53:45 04/02/07 (9)
      - I understand your arguments, but there are several big "ifs." - Norm 05:45:07 04/05/07 (2)
        
        This is all about rare events. - Al Sekela 16:48:51 04/05/07 (1)
        
        Shorted MOVs..... - Todd Krieger 22:11:28 04/05/07 (0)
      - There's An Even Bigger Issue..... - Todd Krieger 23:39:38 04/02/07 (5)
        
        Agree, and thank you for pointing this out. - Al Sekela 09:45:54 04/04/07 (1)
        
        Re: Agree, and thank you for pointing this out. - Presto 11:12:06 04/04/07 (0)
        
        Agreed - additional testing would be needed to prove it safe. (nt) - Presto 12:28:19 04/03/07 (0)
        
        Amen brother, important others understand this concept(nt) - Russ57 10:58:48 04/03/07 (1)
        
        Yes. (nt) - cdb 22:14:55 04/05/07 (0)
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