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Umm, you seem to be forgeting

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In Reply to: RE: Audio Show Experiment....... posted by Todd Krieger on May 20, 2007 at 19:40:31

In the world of the "subjectivist" (audiophile) everything has an effect and not everything (very little actually) can be measured. Hat rack looking things have audio impact. Pebbles have audio impact. Pigmentation in wire jacket materials have audio impact. Fluoride has audio impact. Cryo outlets have audio impact, etc, etc, etc, etc....
Even though you are disguising a SS amp as tubes, the very act of disguising it will create real audio differences. The new chassis itself might resist microphonic vibrations more than the standard amp case. The glowing (fake) tubes have electrons flowing through them, that can generate not yet measurable fields, that will interact with the T-amp and cause an audio impact that the golden ear will certainly "perceive" and possibly mistake as tube sound.
So whereas you think that a simple disguise should have absolutely no real (non-imaginary) sonic impact, only a psychological effect, the golden ear cannot be affected psychologically (by law), so any effect described must be attributed to the physical construction of the disguise itself. And would be after the truth were revealed.
cheers,
AJ

The threshold for disproving something is higher than the threshold for saying it, which is a recipe for the accumulation of bullshit - Softky

Edits: 05/21/07

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RE: Umm, you seem to be forgeting - Todd Krieger 20:04:31 05/21/07 (2)
"Even though you are disguising a SS amp as tubes, the very act of disguising it will create real audio differences. The new chassis itself might resist microphonic vibrations more than the standard amp case. The glowing (fake) tubes have electrons flowing through them, that can generate not yet measurable fields, that will interact with the T-amp and cause an audio impact that the golden ear will certainly "perceive" and possibly mistake as tube sound."

Hmmmm..... You may be onto something..... If your hypothesis is true, fake tube amps could be the next audiophile rage......

But then again, you can remove the filament and stick LEDs inside the plates, which would draw infinitesimal amounts of current, and the "electron flow" would be too low to have an sonic impact.....
- Nothing is too low to have an sonic impact. Including LED's. - AJinFLA 13:31:33 05/22/07 (0)
  Golden ears can hear an ant fart in THIER living room, which provides comfortable, familiar surroundings. Sometimes, it may take them months of listening to hear the fart, but they *will* hear it. Same thing for LED's. It is not something that can be measured, but is quite obviously audible for those who listen, instead of staring at noiseless graphs.
  If YOU cannot hear the obvious sonic impact of LED's, or the different case the T-amp will be used in, or any other part of the physical changes that disguise -
  1) You are deaf, or lack sufficient training to perceive
  2) Your system lacks resolution
  3) You are close minded (like Lord Kelvin, who declared x-rays a hoax)
  4) TBA
  
  cheers,
  
  AJ
  
  The threshold for disproving something is higher than the threshold for saying it, which is a recipe for the accumulation of bullshit - Softky
- RE: not for some of our crowd... - mls-stl 04:36:47 05/22/07 (0)
  > But then again, you can remove the filament and stick LEDs inside the plates,
  > which would draw infinitesimal amounts of current, and the "electron flow" would be
  > too low to have an sonic impact.....
  
  You're forgetting that some of our members can detect the sonic influence of digital clocks, rocks and frozen photos that are simply present in the listening room. You think they won't notice the presence of a component immediately adjacent to the signal path that actually has an electron or two moving?
Ha ha ha... It's THE LAW! :o) - Presto 16:19:04 05/21/07 (0)
"So whereas you think that a simple disguise should have absolutely no real (non-imaginary) sonic impact, only a psychological effect, the golden ear cannot be affected psychologically (by law), so any effect described must be attributed to the physical construction of the disguise itself."

I could not have said it better (or more sarcastically) myself. I tip my hat to you sir.

Ha ha ha.

"Psychological effects do not exist! Only science we have not explained yet!"

Yeah. Once that is said, what more is there to say?

Cheers,
Presto

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