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I think I understand the mindset of the other side.....A person into audio professionally does not perceive things as someone else does. When that someone else claims he can hear differences, instead of merely accepting the difference in perception and moving on, he takes it as a claim that his own perception is somehow inferior.
And this is where they spin the science- They need to be assured that the "superior perception" is nothing more than a psychological delusion.
Then it sprouts in different directions.... The delusions make one go wacko over tubes, tweaks, vinyl, avoiding additional DSP, etc., etc., .....
Not to mention the derogatory catcalls like "golden ears" and "anti-science"......
It's like, so what if he hears better than I do. If I worked in the audio field, I'd take him as a valuable commodity to refine my products, not some crackpot who hears things no better than I do.
I think the root of this entire problem is seeing others' perceptions being different as a citation of inferior perception. Or in other words, taking it personally.
And as a thick-skinned engineer, I don't mind if people mistake me for an idiophool hack that never made it out of high-school.... And if someone claims he can distinguish absolute polarity with headphones (I personally can't), no problem.
Edits: 05/23/07
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Topic - The Light Bulb Just Went On...... - Todd Krieger 00:46:01 05/23/07 (74)
- If audiophiles have to compare two components playing at different volumes to hear a difference and ... - Richard BassNut Greene 09:14:23 05/25/07 (4)
- RE: If audiophiles have to compare two components playing at different volumes to hear a difference and ... - Analog Scott 23:06:05 05/26/07 (0)
- RE: If audiophiles have to compare two components playing at different volumes to hear a difference and ... - Todd Krieger 21:01:37 05/26/07 (0)
- Golden Ears... - mkuller 12:36:31 05/25/07 (1)
- Golden Ears would get run out of the club for reporting nothing has changed ... - Richard BassNut Greene 07:08:22 05/29/07 (0)
- Moderator:When you want to shut down the thread,try this... - Atexanathome 03:28:55 05/25/07 (0)
- Mindset? Totally irrelevant to establishing audibility. - Pat D 16:49:00 05/24/07 (0)
- The masses often turn against super heroes because of jealousy and envy - AJinFLA 14:08:07 05/23/07 (28)
- RE: The masses often turn against super heroes because of jealousy and envy - morricab 02:23:04 05/24/07 (4)
- The Scary Part....... - Todd Krieger 11:31:41 05/24/07 (0)
- Uh oh - AJinFLA 03:50:32 05/24/07 (2)
- RE: The masses often turn against super heroes because of jealousy and envy - Todd Krieger 22:15:03 05/23/07 (2)
- Good concern. But I won't be "backing away" for whatever 'hostile' environment. (nt) - cheap-Jack 07:48:22 05/24/07 (1)
- RE: Good concern. But I won't be "backing away" for whatever 'hostile' environment. (nt) - Todd Krieger 21:04:58 05/26/07 (0)
- Thanks for... - mkuller 17:23:44 05/23/07 (19)
- RE: Thanks for... - AJinFLA 18:37:25 05/23/07 (0)
- Turnabout is fair play--what's the matter? Is your ox being gored now? - Pat D 18:26:08 05/23/07 (17)
- RE: Turnabout is fair play--what's the matter? Is your ox being gored now? - Todd Krieger 00:37:48 05/25/07 (1)
- RE: Turnabout is fair play--what's the matter? Is your ox being gored now? - Pat D 07:10:26 05/25/07 (0)
- Prove? - mkuller 20:22:15 05/23/07 (14)
- I Find It Amusing That People Who Have Blind Faith In The Unproveable Require Proof From Others With Differing POVs! - thetubeguy1954 10:25:51 05/24/07 (2)
- "We as objectivists CANNOT prove our POV is correct, [so] we demand subjectivists prove their POV is correct." - clarkjohnsen 08:43:37 05/25/07 (1)
- I was JUST beginning to suspect this to be the case... - Wellfed 22:19:55 05/25/07 (0)
- Those who have no proof have nothing to "prove" - AJinFLA 03:43:39 05/24/07 (10)
- RE: Those who have no proof have nothing to "prove" - Todd Krieger 00:49:14 05/25/07 (2)
- RE: Those who have no proof have nothing to "prove" - AJinFLA 06:24:24 05/25/07 (1)
- FYI... - Wellfed 22:32:46 05/25/07 (0)
- Back at you.. - Analog Scott 14:39:27 05/24/07 (5)
- RE: Back at you.. - morricab 05:12:35 05/25/07 (4)
- RE: Back at you.. - AJinFLA 07:07:24 05/25/07 (3)
- I set the bar as low as it can go - Analog Scott 12:25:39 05/25/07 (2)
- Ok, in all seriousness Scott - AJinFLA 13:37:21 05/25/07 (1)
- In all seriousness AJ - Analog Scott 13:52:50 05/26/07 (0)
- So you equate... - mkuller 10:59:08 05/24/07 (0)
- But how do you *know* they hear differently? - Axon 09:16:07 05/23/07 (25)
- "Using false information to judge your audio decisions" - Analog Scott 14:17:11 05/23/07 (14)
- I'll make a somewhat oblique and incomplete response. - Axon 09:58:12 05/24/07 (12)
- It is an odd response. You make no mention of "false information." nt - Analog Scott 12:24:26 05/24/07 (11)
- "false" might have been the wrong word - Axon 13:01:47 05/24/07 (10)
- "pronouncements that are perfectly reproducible, and objective, yet involve things I don't hear." - Analog Scott 13:53:14 05/24/07 (9)
- RE: "pronouncements that are perfectly reproducible, and objective, yet involve things I don't hear." - Pat D 13:56:13 05/25/07 (8)
- this is a technical forum where questions of audibility are proper and relevant. - Analog Scott 13:59:24 05/26/07 (7)
- "the foul oder of class envy." - Pat D 02:29:40 05/27/07 (6)
- RE: "the foul oder of class envy." Ask an objectivist for "proof" and all you get is insults. - Analog Scott 11:27:18 05/27/07 (5)
- You don't seem to have understood the sour grapes story. - Pat D 16:14:32 05/27/07 (4)
- You don't seem to have understood how sour grapes applies - Analog Scott 23:57:35 05/27/07 (3)
- I see: when you make a personal attack, it's called mocking. - Pat D 07:32:48 05/28/07 (2)
- You already conceded the arguement why are you still posting? - Analog Scott 09:36:45 05/28/07 (1)
- RE: You already conceded the arguement why are you still posting? - AJinFLA 14:05:10 05/28/07 (0)
- RE: "Using false information to judge your audio decisions" - Todd Krieger 22:50:10 05/23/07 (0)
- It's Not That I "Know"...... - Todd Krieger 12:48:01 05/23/07 (1)
- RE: It's Not That I "Know"...... - unclestu52 13:14:53 05/23/07 (0)
- 'Fraid that line's boosted from 12 Angry Men. nt - geoffkait 09:35:16 05/23/07 (0)
- Excellent question - kerr 09:33:41 05/23/07 (2)
- Go With What Works For You... - mkuller 11:22:24 05/23/07 (1)
- Yes! Thanks for that critical add-on. (nt) - kerr 11:42:15 05/23/07 (0)
- "Objective metrics such as..." say, 0.00001% harmonic distortion... - clarkjohnsen 09:23:01 05/23/07 (3)
- I'll let you know! - Axon 09:36:17 05/23/07 (2)
- What about RIAA correction?(nt) - Russ57 11:53:49 05/23/07 (1)
- I'll do it in software - Axon 11:59:42 05/23/07 (0)
- By God I believe he has it! (Prof. Henry Higgins...) - clarkjohnsen 09:13:42 05/23/07 (2)
- As Posey used to point out... - kerr 09:36:18 05/23/07 (1)
- Indeed. Posey usually had it right. But such controversy vill not be tolerated! nt - clarkjohnsen 09:50:47 05/23/07 (0)
- You are so right. Andy 19191 just confirmed it :-) (nt) - Dave Pogue 05:26:03 05/23/07 (3)
- He tumbled head first into that one!! Post was at least a very good laugh!! (nt) - robert young 05:29:33 05/23/07 (2)
- Especially the "past experience" - E-Stat 05:52:15 05/23/07 (1)
- RE: Especially the "past experience" - kerr 07:32:38 05/23/07 (0)
- RE: The Light Bulb Just Went On...... - thetubeguy1954 05:19:32 05/23/07 (0)
- Couldn't agree more - kerr 04:44:36 05/23/07 (0)
- RE: The Light Bulb Just Went On...... - andy19191 01:42:41 05/23/07 (2)
- Where to start...... - mkuller 09:23:35 05/23/07 (1)
- RE: Where to start...... - andy19191 02:19:28 05/25/07 (0)
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