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OH geeze, another voice from the cheap seats..

Posted by jneutron (A) on March 25, 2004 at 06:44:49

In Reply to: What a crock! posted by Jon Risch on March 24, 2004 at 17:23:45:

Ahhh, where to start..

I won't even discuss John's irreproducible results, the ones with the 20 year old, old technology equipment..Steve did an admirable job there..

Pulled out of text""I designed cables..I built them..I tested them...
And it works.. ""

JR: Gee, this sounds familiar. I tried explaining that to you, and what I got several times was that I was full of cr_p.

Yes, to the casual observer, it may sound familiar..but you know better, Jon..your smokescreen ain't working...

I ran the equations (you may be familiar with them), worked out the relationships between L, C, DC, and geometry, came up with graphs to help others build duplicates of what I do..

Then, I built them and tested them...not some hairbrained (or even perfectly good) testing a/b/c/d/whatever regimen using some scheme of hearing, permanently unable to repeat in public type of listening test...I actually used HP test equipment to verify my claims..and, everyone else in the world can do the same..

Unlike what you espouse...you know, the old "I'm Jon Risch, I heard it, this is the gospel according to me is..YOU'VE HEARD IT MANY TIMES, WHAT I TELL YOU IS THE PHYSICS BEHIND CABLES...YOU MUST BE EITHER A TROLL OR STUPID!!!!!""...even though you are in love with the words "can", "may", "possible", "seem to", ...you know..the weasel words you use for damn near everything you claim..

I provided hard, easily repeatable testing to verify my claims...no maybe, if, and, or suppose...this is what science/ physics, and engineering is all about...not your floobydust...

And now, everyone else in the world, who so desires, can create a speaker cable of any effective guage, out of any conductor and any dielectric, that exceeds the L/C/R performance of anything out there that I have found to date..

I'm to the point now, where I have started to chart the L/C parameters of all the cables I can find, plotting their performance against the ideal L-C curve, against mine, and various DC's up to 5. And then, begin to determine if areas of that LC chart correlate to sonic attributes..

This is called homework..the beginning of a scientific endeavor..it is unlike anything I've seen from you, as I am verifying with actual test equipment, everything I am doing.

I can now build a wide range of cables, using the exact same materials and construction techniques, to ascertain the "audibility" of the cable parameters L,R,C, in comparison to all out there.

Your typical "it's not just LRC" is hogwash, Jon..you have shown absolutely no controlled testing wherin you modify L/C at will, to determine sonic attributes..I am forming the foundation for that rigorous, well defined, test regimen..

JR: ""Only, I can add that my work included controlled listening tests.""

Big friggen deal...you are unable to present any of that for peer review, unable to prove to anybody in a rigorous, scientific way, or even a rigorous, unscientific way, anything you claim. You seem content to just sit back, and act like a guru, never providing an ounce of scientific method for your claims..

What I've done is document a method of creating a cable with any desired inductance, or any desired capacitance, with any effective guage, any metal, and any insulator..and that is an advance in the state of the art for cables...

For all your posturing, you can still only say things like "may", "can", "it's possible", "it can happen". You and I differ in that respect..I am judged by what I can prove, you do not embrace that concept..that I can see..

Materials may make a difference, geometry may, insulator may, metals may, L,C,R may. But your wholly unscientific method, your ridiculous posturing, and horribly inept conclusions in no way provide any semblence of a useable product for advancing the state of the art with cables...

You are in the way, Jon..in the way of real research and science.

Get out of the way..

You are welcome to contribute...I value that..and, the same goes for JC...it takes more than one person..

But, leave all your baggage at home...bring only scientific method.

JR: ""Somehow, my years of experience as an audio industry engineer mean nothing, and your casual interest in audio is completely superceding.

Ah, but you, as an "engineer", show absolutely no engineering expertise...only cans, mays, possibles...a real engineer does homework, uses actual equipment to test a claim...you do not..
And, my "casual interest in audio"?? It's not audio were talking about here..it's electromagnetic field theory. And I have just a tad bit more than a casual interest in e/m field theory..You wouldn't understand what I publish in that field..(most of the engineers on the planet wouldn't anyway, and few care ta boot.)..and to think, I'm one of the lower teir guys here in that respect...scary thought..

JR: ""You have no lock on the the truth, no leg up with regard to high end audio physics, and virtually no real experience with high performance audio playback. You criticisms are often off the mark, or overlook some relevant issue, or just plain don't make good audio sense.""

Ah, so then, I should trash a coupla centuries of e/m theory, because you make some garbage, non testable, non reproducible claims?? I try to keep my explanations to you simple...perhaps I err in that respect.

JR: ""When your clones of the patented Wireworld cables get the Noble prize, then you can call us, until then, stick to the lab work you know and lay off people who are in audio and know what good sound is from direct experience.

Tis unfortunate you still don't understand....read this carefully, so I don't have to waste time repeating myself...
Wireworld spirals the conductors...they form a solenoid..the inner and outer solenoids do not cancel each other out, as a pure coaxial construction does..
I do not spiral either of my shields..nor, do I change the spiral angle to achieve the same inner/outer resistances.
And you have not demonstrated in any way, shape, or form, any experience whatsoever with scientific method, physics, or engineering..I am patiently trying to introduce those concepts to you...It may take years before you begin to understand, but I have years..

You are best left to play with your wires and suppositions, attempting to maintain you're guru like status.....I prefer to live in the world of repeatable, testable, science and engineering..you are welcome to watch...but stand back, so you don't get hurt..on something you don't understand..

TTFN, John

PS..as I stated before, play nice, or this is what you get..

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