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I guess I didn't get the memo.

Posted by Presto (A) on April 10, 2007 at 15:59:14

In Reply to: Re: Are you talk about Cryogenics or frige freeze tweaking ????? posted by May Belt on April 10, 2007 at 14:35:21:

Did anyone get the memo?

We all needed to perform an engineering analysis on claims made by everyone and anyone who waltzes into PHP?

Uh, no. That's not how the world works. If you make a claim, you have options as to how you will present yourself:

1) "I think this works, and I heard it and that's all that matters." (in which case kindly do not bring it up at PHP)
2) "I think this works, and here is WHY." (please stay and feel free to discuss in PHP)
3) "I think this works, I don't know why, but would like to." (again, welcome aboard)

Those who demand everyone abandon the scientific method and subject themselves to completely uncontrolled listening tests CHALK FULL of expectation bias and placebo affects are really in the wrong forum. And this is why they probably feel under attack - because they have no desire to participate within the cultural norms of PHP. It's like joining a golf club and demanding everyone arrange flowers instead.

Those who wish to discuss topics here need to at least ATTEMPT to substantiate what they are talking about - and NOT pass that duty onto to others. Some seem to believe that they can simply stand behind subjective and unsubstantiable claims, while leaving it up to OTHERS to prove or disprove these claims using scientific methods. That's where those people would be wrong and that's why they (and their vocal supporters) come under such "heavy fire" in this forum.

How can people in this forum refute evidence if none is provided in the first place? There is nothing to confirm or refute! And I personally won't do these "Just try it and see" listening tests because if I tested things only in that manner, I would be forever changing my system, chasing the eternally dynamic and uncharted complexities of human perception. I don't test ANYTHING (exclusively) in this manner for that single reason alone.

The only test I have done that gives me any valuable insight into testing this way (using my ears only in sighted tests) is that repeatability is next to non-existant, and that BELIEVING something was changed resulting in me reporting a sonic change.

If belief can create a perceived sonic change, then we must account for the effects of belief when attempting to substantiate claims.

"Devout" audiophiles seldom admit this can happen - it's a real FAITH SHAKER.

I want to know - in which science is the extra pleasure obtained from aligning screw heads based? Acoustics? Or Psychology?

That's all we want to know May.

Cheers,
Presto

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