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Re: A not very responsive answer.

>>You'd better go back and study English again. <<

Qué?

>>What my amplifier does is amplify a line level signal so as to drive my speakers. Amplifiers do that. It is possible that a defective amplifier would not do it.<<

...Which is also the answer to the question: "How does an amplifier work?". If you're going to change the rules on English, then at least you should tell me what new rules you've established, so I can play along. Otherwise, no fair, you've got a player's advantage if you're the only one who knows what the rules are.

>>I just see no reason to suppose it does and I have better things to do than spend time on products no one seems to be able to prove does anything to audio. <<

You keep saying that, and I keep telling you that's not true, that there are enough people all around here that have proven for themselves that it works, and you keep ignoring this fact. How badly do you not want the IC to work?

>>As I say, I know that my CDP plays CDs, I know that my amplifier amplifies, and I know that my speakers transduce, I know that my interconnects and speaker cables conduct signals. To suppose that I don't know this is simply silly. <<

That's twice now you seem to be skirting around the issue. I didn't suggest you don't know how your system works. I said at one point, your entire system was unproven science, to which you replied "Complete nonsense. I'm quite sure my components reflect a lot of applied science.". But you didn't bother to elaborate, so I asked you to, and now you're just avoiding the issue entirely. That's not very responsive is it?


>>You're the one who brought up Ken Kessler, not me. You're the one using him as an authority.<<

Hardly! And if you knew how much I've trashed Kessler recently, you wouldn't be saying that. I don't believe in "audio authorities", you do. I used him as an example of a skeptic who ran tests on the IC using 12 different skilled listeners, and most of them, him included, heard differences. You say you don't deny the IC works, yet you seem to be quite biased towards the idea that it doesn't.


>>jj is retired from AT & T. Last I heard, he worked for Microsoft.<<

Then we're talking about the same guy. I know him from a long ways back and trust me, he's only good news for people that like bad sound. Unfortunately, I see a lot of his influence (or similarity) in your belief systems.

>>If you want to talk about perception, that can be influenced by simply knowing what one is listening to, by mood, physical condition, and so on.<<

Yes, and I think that's the whole point of listening to a stereo actually. You will NEVER be able to completely remove those sweet, ever-lovin' variables. Not during your regular listening sessions at home, and not during a DBT test. You're fooling yourself if you think you can, and that's very unscientific.

>>>PR
"But of course. Audio DBTs being a worthless waste of time, they will always come up with worthless results."<<<

>>You're funny.<<

No, your timing's a little off, that was the serious part. Audio dbt's are like wearing virtual reality goggles that may show a pleasant scene in front of you, but don't allow you to see what's really there. The sooner you drop the religion of the audio DBT, the sooner you can finally come to find out what is and isn't in audio. And you will no longer have to rely on the word of authority figures (ie. jj curmudgeon, all around grouch and deaf marmot), or the ears of other listeners. It's a liberating experience.

>>Thinking outside the box can be a good thing, but it isn't proof.<<

So? You clearly have some interest in whether the GSIC works, so what's stopping you from proving it to yourself, exactly? You can't afford to risk $15? What if I bought one for you to try, and took the monetary risk myself? Would you try it then, or just throw up more excuses about why you don't want to experiment for yourself, and continue to have an opinion on whether it works regardless? And don't tell me "it's a waste of time!" or any other claptrap like that, because you've wasted a lot more time talking about the GSIC on these boards then it would have taken you to try it.


>>Anybody can make claims. Proving them is another matter. <<

Trust me, you're going down the wrong road, friend. -Away- from the good sound direction. You may find intellectual comfort taking that route, but your musical enjoyment will suffer.

>>What methodology did Ken Kessler use?<<

Didn't I already talk about that and give you a link to his article in Stereophile? Anyway, what does it matter what methodology he used? No matter the methodology, someone else's test doesn't prove anything about anything.


>>>PR
"So are you an audiophile or not?"<<<

>>Why on earth would I want to be an audiophile? <<

See, that's why I asked. I presumed you were interested in improving your sound. If you're not, the question of whether the GSIC does so is irrelevant here.

>I readily admit to being a musical performer, a music lover, and an audio enthusiast.

Wait, hold on a sec.... "audio enthusiast" -is- an "audiophile". Did you know that?

>>>PR
"what's the difference between you and the Circuit City consumer to whom an audio system is just an appliance, like a microwave oven? I find both of your approaches to audio impossible to differentiate."<<<

>>That's your problem, not mine. <<

Actually, it's your problem. If there is no difference between you and the mass market electronics consumer, then the quality of your audio will be just as impaired by the judgments made. That's not something I have to live with, my sound improves all the time, because I don't live in a box. So I'm not relegated to trying to improve it with just expensive component upgrades, or shuffling the speakers around.

>>Are you seriously suggesting that I don't know whether a CD works? This CD stores a recording of some music by Mozart, that one music by Beethoven. Certainly that makes an audible difference.<<

No, you misunderstood. You implied in your statement the IC doesn't have an audible effect. I asked, how do you know if you didn't listen to it (the IC). I asked that twice btw, you've yet to respond.

>>>RP
"You might eventually come to learn that today there are audible effects in audio that are induced by means other than the signal path or acoustic sound waves."<<<

>>Totally unproved speculation. When you come up with some evidence for it, get back to me.<<

When you're ready to prove it for yourself, get back to me.


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