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In Reply to: Small clarification: I have no interest in proving -anything- to -anyone-. Prove it to yourselves. posted by Posy Rorer on April 11, 2007 at 12:20:26:
...I am content to report on it, and let others go and do likewise.Anyone who tells me that I'm full of shit for that, is welcome to, ah, take his licks.
With an estimated ten thousands points yet to be determined in the audio matrix, it does seem rather hopeless -- does it not? -- to *require* DBTs. Such ill-advised procedures would only delay progress, enabling the Sonys and Boses of this world to profit further.
Say! You don't suppose there's a... conspiracy!... between mid-market marketeers and the DBT crowd?...
clark
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Follow Ups Full ThreadTopic - Who here DOESN'T believe in The Freeze Effect? (Freezing items will improve sound?) - Posy Rorer 11:00:17 04/10/07 (138)
- Small clarification: I have no interest in proving -anything- to -anyone-. Prove it to yourselves. - Posy Rorer 12:20:26 04/11/07 (8)
- How do we do that? You can't even define the test procedure. - Presto 16:23:42 04/11/07 (0)
- Can you quote something more sonically relevant than a MP3 ? - cheap-Jack 13:56:17 04/11/07 (3)
- Re: Can you quote something more sonically relevant than a MP3 ? - Posy Rorer 14:09:10 04/11/07 (2)
- Enough for your bullshits. 'pal'. - cheap-Jack 08:27:33 04/12/07 (1)
- Okay, who's been poking Magilla the Gorilla? - Posy Rorer 22:10:52 04/12/07 (0)
- After I establish something to my own satisfaction... - clarkjohnsen 12:44:42 04/11/07 (2)
- Re: After I establish something to my own satisfaction... - Posy Rorer 13:05:25 04/11/07 (1)
- I'd be more than glad to "do it" for them -- just please provide the funding. nt - clarkjohnsen 13:24:33 04/11/07 (0)
- Hey Mr. Wizard.... - SF tech 11:48:57 04/11/07 (9)
- If we ignore her - Jim Austin 14:05:01 04/11/07 (1)
- Amen! nt - clifff 14:12:49 04/11/07 (0)
- SFTech: "We are all SO grateful for your extremely valuable post here"- Thanks! Then I'll post more like it! nt - Posy Rorer 12:14:10 04/11/07 (0)
- Leave the kid alone before he got more spoiled. (nt) - cheap-Jack 12:03:28 04/11/07 (0)
- Re: "Don't come here while the adults are having a discussion" - you're a scream. nt - geoffkait 11:53:40 04/11/07 (4)
- Don't get me started Geoff... - SF tech 12:14:00 04/11/07 (3)
- Re: Don't get me started Geoff... - geoffkait 12:30:40 04/11/07 (2)
- Geoff, I just can't get mad at you... - SF tech 13:04:22 04/11/07 (1)
- Re: Geoff, I just can't get mad at you... - geoffkait 13:44:29 04/11/07 (0)
- More concise answer::: I do not believe in The Freeze Effect". (I do not believe in conclusions w/o evidence) - Richard BassNut Greene 07:39:01 04/11/07 (3)
- Tweaks are audible, but may not be substantiated... - cheap-Jack 08:33:14 04/11/07 (2)
- when Tweaks are audible, they cant be substantiated... - tomservo 11:33:20 04/11/07 (1)
- But if a female audiophile you knew decided to buy fancy expensive knobs for her gear ... - Richard BassNut Greene 08:04:19 04/12/07 (0)
- Observations + Hypotheses + Experiments = Science ...... believing in something is meaningless non-science (non-sense) - Richard BassNut Greene 07:27:49 04/11/07 (1)
- Lonlieness+Boredom+Belief+Pseudo-Science = Posey Rorer (nt) - Presto 11:11:54 04/11/07 (0)
- Does Cryoing Work For Everything But Audio? - thetubeguy1954 07:18:34 04/11/07 (27)
- Re: Does Cryoing Work For Everything But Audio? - Posy Rorer 12:24:00 04/11/07 (3)
- Re: Sorry Didn't Mean To HiJack Your Post - thetubeguy1954 13:31:53 04/11/07 (0)
- To support your "argument", - cheap-Jack 13:20:15 04/11/07 (1)
- Re: To support your "argument", - Posy Rorer 14:00:33 04/11/07 (0)
- Heat treatment of mechanical components is a given. - clifff 07:30:05 04/11/07 (22)
- Re: Heat treatment of mechanical components is a given. - thetubeguy1954 09:21:42 04/11/07 (21)
- "Ffreezing something in a typical home freezer will NOT produce any of the results cryogenic processing is noted for." ? - clarkjohnsen 12:50:12 04/11/07 (0)
- advertising blurbs - clifff 09:46:07 04/11/07 (19)
- I See Civillity Is Wasted With You - thetubeguy1954 10:35:24 04/11/07 (16)
- What is wrong with you? - clifff 10:56:31 04/11/07 (8)
- You're Way Of Responding Is What's Wrong... - thetubeguy1954 11:45:08 04/11/07 (7)
- "That same arrogant vein." Hard to get some folks out of it. nt - clarkjohnsen 12:53:24 04/11/07 (1)
- I assume you are referring to me? Are you going to apologise as well? - clifff 04:52:42 04/12/07 (0)
- So saying something you agree with is sarcastic? - Pat D 12:09:40 04/11/07 (4)
- Pat Your Obsession With Me & What I Is Showing Again. - thetubeguy1954 13:19:54 04/11/07 (3)
- This is what I actually said: - clifff 13:51:30 04/11/07 (2)
- I Apologize Clifff - thetubeguy1954 14:13:54 04/11/07 (1)
- Accepted. nt - clifff 00:31:07 04/12/07 (0)
- There was nothng uncivil in Clifff's post. (nt) - Pat D 10:45:34 04/11/07 (6)
- I Disagree - thetubeguy1954 11:05:16 04/11/07 (2)
- You missed the point. I was not rude or disagreeing with you. But no matter. - clifff 13:11:55 04/11/07 (0)
- Are you looking for slights? - Pat D 12:11:35 04/11/07 (0)
- No, TG was right. Cliff was acting like a twit. As usual. nt - Posy Rorer 10:57:05 04/11/07 (2)
- So you are from the UK, then? nt - clifff 11:08:13 04/11/07 (0)
- Truer Words Were Never Spoken (nt) - thetubeguy1954 11:07:35 04/11/07 (0)
- Ah, you hit on something - kerr 09:54:02 04/11/07 (1)
- The Structural Changes Are Permanent - thetubeguy1954 10:52:48 04/11/07 (0)
- Serious answer and question - tomservo 07:14:35 04/11/07 (0)
- What IS this Rosy Porer? - clifff 07:04:05 04/11/07 (1)
- Indeed. Who needs this joker around! (nt) - cheap-Jack 07:25:02 04/11/07 (0)
- Now that you have been proven correct about Prop. Head typical responses. - Norm 06:44:56 04/11/07 (0)
- FWIW..... - Todd Krieger 00:50:58 04/11/07 (8)
- Don't you know, you're not entitled to your own opinion? nt - clarkjohnsen 11:56:06 04/11/07 (2)
- (Guffaw!) Yeah! And if you were, your opinion would be wrong! :) (nt) - kerr 12:44:51 04/11/07 (1)
- Goes almost without saying. nt - clarkjohnsen 12:59:00 04/11/07 (0)
- Re: FWIW..... - Presto 11:20:47 04/11/07 (4)
- Re: FWIW..... - Todd Krieger 21:21:42 04/11/07 (3)
- I'm just reading the screen, man. - Presto 09:05:10 04/12/07 (2)
- Re: I'm just reading the screen, man. - Todd Krieger 11:33:28 04/12/07 (1)
- Poke. Poke. Poke. Poke. QUIT IT!! Poke. Poke. Poke.... gotcha! (nt) - Presto 17:43:22 04/12/07 (0)
- I would like some good evidence for it in audio. - Pat D 19:08:32 04/10/07 (12)
- Don't hold your breath. And don't expect any Golden Ears to admit that their ears could be fooled by expectations - Richard BassNut Greene 07:31:38 04/11/07 (11)
- Why Hold Our Breath When You Just Make Unsubstantiated Claims? - thetubeguy1954 09:43:34 04/11/07 (6)
- What has this to do with the price of eggs in China? (nt) - Pat D 12:14:41 04/11/07 (0)
- Interesting, how "objectivism" so often comes down to simply making assertions. nt - clarkjohnsen 11:54:24 04/11/07 (4)
- Re: Interesting, how "objectivism" so often comes down to simply making Unsubstantiated assertions. - thetubeguy1954 13:40:18 04/11/07 (2)
- It works both ways, tubey. (nt) - Pat D 18:51:47 04/11/07 (0)
- I sit corrected. nt - clarkjohnsen 13:48:55 04/11/07 (0)
- Interesting, how "subjectivism" so often comes down to simply making assertions. (nt) - Pat D 12:02:29 04/11/07 (0)
- Your gross assumption again. - cheap-Jack 09:15:26 04/11/07 (2)
- You would be a rare audiophile to use a sound meter to match A-B volumes - Richard BassNut Greene 08:10:21 04/12/07 (1)
- Wideband white noise & pink noise. (nt) - cheap-Jack 08:53:05 04/12/07 (0)
- Gee thanks, Richard! I was turning blue . . . (nt) - Pat D 08:55:21 04/11/07 (0)
- Will hearing it make me "believe"? Or believing it make me hear it? nt - Presto 17:06:13 04/10/07 (0)
- You're still confused, newcomer! - cheap-Jack 13:12:11 04/10/07 (13)
- Re: You're still confused, newcomer! - Posy Rorer 19:10:34 04/10/07 (12)
- Enough is enough. Stop your soap show now, please. - cheap-Jack 08:02:20 04/11/07 (4)
- cheap-Jack: Stop your character attacks. If you can't debate the audio content, dont respond. - Posy Rorer 10:50:05 04/11/07 (1)
- Works for me! nt - clarkjohnsen 11:52:21 04/11/07 (0)
- Re: Say pretty please - geoffkait 10:18:39 04/11/07 (1)
- May I learn from you how to home freeze it "properly" ? - cheap-Jack 11:50:10 04/11/07 (0)
- Re: You're still confused, newcomer! - morricab 05:42:31 04/11/07 (6)
- Pinging cheap-Jack: Morricab would like a word with you. - Posy Rorer 10:46:23 04/11/07 (4)
- Re: Pinging cheap-Jack: Morricab would like a word with you. - morricab 16:01:19 04/11/07 (3)
- Re: Pinging cheap-Jack: Morricab would like a word with you. - Posy Rorer 23:05:33 04/12/07 (2)
- Re: Pinging cheap-Jack: Morricab would like a word with you. - morricab 02:27:03 04/13/07 (1)
- Re: Pinging cheap-Jack: Morricab would like a word with you. - Posy Rorer 12:34:45 04/13/07 (0)
- Re: You're still confused, newcomer! - andy19191 06:24:11 04/11/07 (0)
- Why is the onus on us to disprove it for you? - Presto 12:11:35 04/10/07 (18)
- Presto, stop trolling. - Posy Rorer 12:51:35 04/11/07 (2)
- "The proof, listen carefully, 'is in the pudding." Good to be reminded... - clarkjohnsen 09:04:05 04/12/07 (0)
- Posey. Your experiments are not repeatable. - Presto 15:07:51 04/11/07 (0)
- Before Galileo - unclestu52 01:29:59 04/11/07 (2)
- But Stu... - Presto 11:10:11 04/11/07 (1)
- But Presto.... - unclestu52 23:29:02 04/11/07 (0)
- Why Is There An "Onus" At All?? - Todd Krieger 01:03:19 04/11/07 (1)
- Don't you mean 'anus'? - pburant 09:55:50 04/11/07 (0)
- So who's asking you to disprove it? Read harder, Presto. (nt) - Posy Rorer 22:00:03 04/10/07 (5)
- I'll give you three guesses. First two don't count... - Presto 23:31:27 04/10/07 (4)
- Re: I'll give you three guesses. First two don't count... - May Belt 03:08:21 04/11/07 (1)
- You're excused, but... - Presto 10:32:13 04/11/07 (0)
- So you're against real progress in audio, Presto? Why take up so many words to say that? (nt) - Posy Rorer 00:27:43 04/11/07 (1)
- Posey Posey Posey - Presto 10:51:28 04/11/07 (0)
- Don't feed the trolls. - Al Sekela 13:02:33 04/10/07 (3)
- YES, but this troll needs some briefing bigtime. (nt) - cheap-Jack 13:15:50 04/10/07 (2)
- And at least one opportunity to state their case "scientifically or technically" nt - Presto 13:18:10 04/10/07 (1)
- Yea, I am all ears. (nt) - cheap-Jack 13:21:46 04/10/07 (0)
- "Prop Head is... mostly made up of unusually conservative minds." Hey! Watch your tongue! - clarkjohnsen 11:32:27 04/10/07 (24)
- Re: "Prop Head is... mostly made up of unusually conservative minds." Hey! Watch your tongue! - morricab 14:11:02 04/10/07 (23)
- Since no one has come out to say they disbelieve the Freeze Effect-does that mean it's accepted by everyone here? - Posy Rorer 21:57:35 04/10/07 (17)
- Your initial proposition was clear; the responses were hostile. nt - clarkjohnsen 11:38:43 04/11/07 (0)
- Re: Since no one has come out to say they disbelieve the Freeze Effect-does that mean it's accepted by everyone here? - morricab 06:11:22 04/11/07 (10)
- That would not be logical conclusion! - Pat D 12:54:40 04/11/07 (0)
- Re: Since no one has come out to say they disbelieve the Freeze Effect-does that mean it's accepted by everyone here? - Posy Rorer 08:54:10 04/11/07 (8)
- Re: Since no one has come out to say they disbelieve the Freeze Effect-does that mean it's accepted by everyone here? - morricab 09:40:32 04/11/07 (6)
- Re: Since no one has come out to say they disbelieve the Freeze Effect-does that mean it's accepted by everyone here? - geoffkait 10:41:18 04/11/07 (5)
- "That is if one is actually serious about getting to the bottom of this thing." But we all know the "one" ... - clarkjohnsen 11:36:55 04/11/07 (4)
- Mighty presumptuous of you Clark... - morricab 16:38:33 04/11/07 (0)
- Re: You're kidding, right? - geoffkait 12:11:02 04/11/07 (2)
- The "one" in question was m-cab. nt - clarkjohnsen 12:31:20 04/11/07 (1)
- Re: This all comes as quite a shock. :-) nt - geoffkait 12:38:11 04/11/07 (0)
- So you are asking morricab to prove the null hypothesis? - Pat D 09:03:16 04/11/07 (0)
- Due to your peculiarly aggressive and antagonstic attitudes, I doubt many would care to interact with you... - tunenut 23:26:10 04/10/07 (4)
- Look around... aggressive & antagonistic attitudes are hardly "peculiar" on this forum. - Posy Rorer 00:46:05 04/11/07 (3)
- You counted the number of responses! Ha! Ha! - clifff 11:10:56 04/11/07 (1)
- No clown prince, "something like"=guess. Go sit in the corner now. nt - Posy Rorer 14:19:47 04/11/07 (0)
- "Bad attitudes will get you bad attitudes in return." - robert young 06:05:32 04/11/07 (0)
- Re: Are you saying one is not repeatable? I'm curious, how do you know this? I'm betting you're just guessing. nt - geoffkait 14:32:01 04/10/07 (4)
- Are you saying it IS repeatable? From your own personal experience? - morricab 06:18:08 04/11/07 (1)
- Re: Are you saying it IS repeatable? From your own personal experience? - geoffkait 07:01:02 04/11/07 (0)
- Re: Are you saying one is not repeatable? I'm curious, how do you know this? I'm betting you're just guessing. nt - Mudcat 03:55:25 04/11/07 (1)
- Re: Tha's pretty funny, but - geoffkait 05:13:41 04/11/07 (0)
Follow Ups
- After I establish something to my own satisfaction... - clarkjohnsen 12:44:42 04/11/07 (2)
- Re: After I establish something to my own satisfaction... - Posy Rorer 13:05:25 04/11/07 (1)
- I'd be more than glad to "do it" for them -- just please provide the funding. nt - clarkjohnsen 13:24:33 04/11/07 (0)
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