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In Reply to: Enough is enough. Stop your soap show now, please. posted by cheap-Jack on April 11, 2007 at 08:02:20:
I don't think anyone is saying that cryogenics is the same as home freezing, obviously there is a difference in temp. Nevertheless, if done properly the effects of Mr. Home Freezer are very close to the *effects* of full-blown cryo, audio-wise (IMHO). The advantage, obviously, is it's easier and cheaper. I have 12 yrs experience with both... more than the average bear. :-)
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Follow Ups Full ThreadTopic - Who here DOESN'T believe in The Freeze Effect? (Freezing items will improve sound?) - Posy Rorer 11:00:17 04/10/07 (138)
- Small clarification: I have no interest in proving -anything- to -anyone-. Prove it to yourselves. - Posy Rorer 12:20:26 04/11/07 (8)
- How do we do that? You can't even define the test procedure. - Presto 16:23:42 04/11/07 (0)
- Can you quote something more sonically relevant than a MP3 ? - cheap-Jack 13:56:17 04/11/07 (3)
- Re: Can you quote something more sonically relevant than a MP3 ? - Posy Rorer 14:09:10 04/11/07 (2)
- Enough for your bullshits. 'pal'. - cheap-Jack 08:27:33 04/12/07 (1)
- Okay, who's been poking Magilla the Gorilla? - Posy Rorer 22:10:52 04/12/07 (0)
- After I establish something to my own satisfaction... - clarkjohnsen 12:44:42 04/11/07 (2)
- Re: After I establish something to my own satisfaction... - Posy Rorer 13:05:25 04/11/07 (1)
- I'd be more than glad to "do it" for them -- just please provide the funding. nt - clarkjohnsen 13:24:33 04/11/07 (0)
- Hey Mr. Wizard.... - SF tech 11:48:57 04/11/07 (9)
- If we ignore her - Jim Austin 14:05:01 04/11/07 (1)
- Amen! nt - clifff 14:12:49 04/11/07 (0)
- SFTech: "We are all SO grateful for your extremely valuable post here"- Thanks! Then I'll post more like it! nt - Posy Rorer 12:14:10 04/11/07 (0)
- Leave the kid alone before he got more spoiled. (nt) - cheap-Jack 12:03:28 04/11/07 (0)
- Re: "Don't come here while the adults are having a discussion" - you're a scream. nt - geoffkait 11:53:40 04/11/07 (4)
- Don't get me started Geoff... - SF tech 12:14:00 04/11/07 (3)
- Re: Don't get me started Geoff... - geoffkait 12:30:40 04/11/07 (2)
- Geoff, I just can't get mad at you... - SF tech 13:04:22 04/11/07 (1)
- Re: Geoff, I just can't get mad at you... - geoffkait 13:44:29 04/11/07 (0)
- More concise answer::: I do not believe in The Freeze Effect". (I do not believe in conclusions w/o evidence) - Richard BassNut Greene 07:39:01 04/11/07 (3)
- Tweaks are audible, but may not be substantiated... - cheap-Jack 08:33:14 04/11/07 (2)
- when Tweaks are audible, they cant be substantiated... - tomservo 11:33:20 04/11/07 (1)
- But if a female audiophile you knew decided to buy fancy expensive knobs for her gear ... - Richard BassNut Greene 08:04:19 04/12/07 (0)
- Observations + Hypotheses + Experiments = Science ...... believing in something is meaningless non-science (non-sense) - Richard BassNut Greene 07:27:49 04/11/07 (1)
- Lonlieness+Boredom+Belief+Pseudo-Science = Posey Rorer (nt) - Presto 11:11:54 04/11/07 (0)
- Does Cryoing Work For Everything But Audio? - thetubeguy1954 07:18:34 04/11/07 (27)
- Re: Does Cryoing Work For Everything But Audio? - Posy Rorer 12:24:00 04/11/07 (3)
- Re: Sorry Didn't Mean To HiJack Your Post - thetubeguy1954 13:31:53 04/11/07 (0)
- To support your "argument", - cheap-Jack 13:20:15 04/11/07 (1)
- Re: To support your "argument", - Posy Rorer 14:00:33 04/11/07 (0)
- Heat treatment of mechanical components is a given. - clifff 07:30:05 04/11/07 (22)
- Re: Heat treatment of mechanical components is a given. - thetubeguy1954 09:21:42 04/11/07 (21)
- "Ffreezing something in a typical home freezer will NOT produce any of the results cryogenic processing is noted for." ? - clarkjohnsen 12:50:12 04/11/07 (0)
- advertising blurbs - clifff 09:46:07 04/11/07 (19)
- I See Civillity Is Wasted With You - thetubeguy1954 10:35:24 04/11/07 (16)
- What is wrong with you? - clifff 10:56:31 04/11/07 (8)
- You're Way Of Responding Is What's Wrong... - thetubeguy1954 11:45:08 04/11/07 (7)
- "That same arrogant vein." Hard to get some folks out of it. nt - clarkjohnsen 12:53:24 04/11/07 (1)
- I assume you are referring to me? Are you going to apologise as well? - clifff 04:52:42 04/12/07 (0)
- So saying something you agree with is sarcastic? - Pat D 12:09:40 04/11/07 (4)
- Pat Your Obsession With Me & What I Is Showing Again. - thetubeguy1954 13:19:54 04/11/07 (3)
- This is what I actually said: - clifff 13:51:30 04/11/07 (2)
- I Apologize Clifff - thetubeguy1954 14:13:54 04/11/07 (1)
- Accepted. nt - clifff 00:31:07 04/12/07 (0)
- There was nothng uncivil in Clifff's post. (nt) - Pat D 10:45:34 04/11/07 (6)
- I Disagree - thetubeguy1954 11:05:16 04/11/07 (2)
- You missed the point. I was not rude or disagreeing with you. But no matter. - clifff 13:11:55 04/11/07 (0)
- Are you looking for slights? - Pat D 12:11:35 04/11/07 (0)
- No, TG was right. Cliff was acting like a twit. As usual. nt - Posy Rorer 10:57:05 04/11/07 (2)
- So you are from the UK, then? nt - clifff 11:08:13 04/11/07 (0)
- Truer Words Were Never Spoken (nt) - thetubeguy1954 11:07:35 04/11/07 (0)
- Ah, you hit on something - kerr 09:54:02 04/11/07 (1)
- The Structural Changes Are Permanent - thetubeguy1954 10:52:48 04/11/07 (0)
- Serious answer and question - tomservo 07:14:35 04/11/07 (0)
- What IS this Rosy Porer? - clifff 07:04:05 04/11/07 (1)
- Indeed. Who needs this joker around! (nt) - cheap-Jack 07:25:02 04/11/07 (0)
- Now that you have been proven correct about Prop. Head typical responses. - Norm 06:44:56 04/11/07 (0)
- FWIW..... - Todd Krieger 00:50:58 04/11/07 (8)
- Don't you know, you're not entitled to your own opinion? nt - clarkjohnsen 11:56:06 04/11/07 (2)
- (Guffaw!) Yeah! And if you were, your opinion would be wrong! :) (nt) - kerr 12:44:51 04/11/07 (1)
- Goes almost without saying. nt - clarkjohnsen 12:59:00 04/11/07 (0)
- Re: FWIW..... - Presto 11:20:47 04/11/07 (4)
- Re: FWIW..... - Todd Krieger 21:21:42 04/11/07 (3)
- I'm just reading the screen, man. - Presto 09:05:10 04/12/07 (2)
- Re: I'm just reading the screen, man. - Todd Krieger 11:33:28 04/12/07 (1)
- Poke. Poke. Poke. Poke. QUIT IT!! Poke. Poke. Poke.... gotcha! (nt) - Presto 17:43:22 04/12/07 (0)
- I would like some good evidence for it in audio. - Pat D 19:08:32 04/10/07 (12)
- Don't hold your breath. And don't expect any Golden Ears to admit that their ears could be fooled by expectations - Richard BassNut Greene 07:31:38 04/11/07 (11)
- Why Hold Our Breath When You Just Make Unsubstantiated Claims? - thetubeguy1954 09:43:34 04/11/07 (6)
- What has this to do with the price of eggs in China? (nt) - Pat D 12:14:41 04/11/07 (0)
- Interesting, how "objectivism" so often comes down to simply making assertions. nt - clarkjohnsen 11:54:24 04/11/07 (4)
- Re: Interesting, how "objectivism" so often comes down to simply making Unsubstantiated assertions. - thetubeguy1954 13:40:18 04/11/07 (2)
- It works both ways, tubey. (nt) - Pat D 18:51:47 04/11/07 (0)
- I sit corrected. nt - clarkjohnsen 13:48:55 04/11/07 (0)
- Interesting, how "subjectivism" so often comes down to simply making assertions. (nt) - Pat D 12:02:29 04/11/07 (0)
- Your gross assumption again. - cheap-Jack 09:15:26 04/11/07 (2)
- You would be a rare audiophile to use a sound meter to match A-B volumes - Richard BassNut Greene 08:10:21 04/12/07 (1)
- Wideband white noise & pink noise. (nt) - cheap-Jack 08:53:05 04/12/07 (0)
- Gee thanks, Richard! I was turning blue . . . (nt) - Pat D 08:55:21 04/11/07 (0)
- Will hearing it make me "believe"? Or believing it make me hear it? nt - Presto 17:06:13 04/10/07 (0)
- You're still confused, newcomer! - cheap-Jack 13:12:11 04/10/07 (13)
- Re: You're still confused, newcomer! - Posy Rorer 19:10:34 04/10/07 (12)
- Enough is enough. Stop your soap show now, please. - cheap-Jack 08:02:20 04/11/07 (4)
- cheap-Jack: Stop your character attacks. If you can't debate the audio content, dont respond. - Posy Rorer 10:50:05 04/11/07 (1)
- Works for me! nt - clarkjohnsen 11:52:21 04/11/07 (0)
- Re: Say pretty please - geoffkait 10:18:39 04/11/07 (1)
- May I learn from you how to home freeze it "properly" ? - cheap-Jack 11:50:10 04/11/07 (0)
- Re: You're still confused, newcomer! - morricab 05:42:31 04/11/07 (6)
- Pinging cheap-Jack: Morricab would like a word with you. - Posy Rorer 10:46:23 04/11/07 (4)
- Re: Pinging cheap-Jack: Morricab would like a word with you. - morricab 16:01:19 04/11/07 (3)
- Re: Pinging cheap-Jack: Morricab would like a word with you. - Posy Rorer 23:05:33 04/12/07 (2)
- Re: Pinging cheap-Jack: Morricab would like a word with you. - morricab 02:27:03 04/13/07 (1)
- Re: Pinging cheap-Jack: Morricab would like a word with you. - Posy Rorer 12:34:45 04/13/07 (0)
- Re: You're still confused, newcomer! - andy19191 06:24:11 04/11/07 (0)
- Why is the onus on us to disprove it for you? - Presto 12:11:35 04/10/07 (18)
- Presto, stop trolling. - Posy Rorer 12:51:35 04/11/07 (2)
- "The proof, listen carefully, 'is in the pudding." Good to be reminded... - clarkjohnsen 09:04:05 04/12/07 (0)
- Posey. Your experiments are not repeatable. - Presto 15:07:51 04/11/07 (0)
- Before Galileo - unclestu52 01:29:59 04/11/07 (2)
- But Stu... - Presto 11:10:11 04/11/07 (1)
- But Presto.... - unclestu52 23:29:02 04/11/07 (0)
- Why Is There An "Onus" At All?? - Todd Krieger 01:03:19 04/11/07 (1)
- Don't you mean 'anus'? - pburant 09:55:50 04/11/07 (0)
- So who's asking you to disprove it? Read harder, Presto. (nt) - Posy Rorer 22:00:03 04/10/07 (5)
- I'll give you three guesses. First two don't count... - Presto 23:31:27 04/10/07 (4)
- Re: I'll give you three guesses. First two don't count... - May Belt 03:08:21 04/11/07 (1)
- You're excused, but... - Presto 10:32:13 04/11/07 (0)
- So you're against real progress in audio, Presto? Why take up so many words to say that? (nt) - Posy Rorer 00:27:43 04/11/07 (1)
- Posey Posey Posey - Presto 10:51:28 04/11/07 (0)
- Don't feed the trolls. - Al Sekela 13:02:33 04/10/07 (3)
- YES, but this troll needs some briefing bigtime. (nt) - cheap-Jack 13:15:50 04/10/07 (2)
- And at least one opportunity to state their case "scientifically or technically" nt - Presto 13:18:10 04/10/07 (1)
- Yea, I am all ears. (nt) - cheap-Jack 13:21:46 04/10/07 (0)
- "Prop Head is... mostly made up of unusually conservative minds." Hey! Watch your tongue! - clarkjohnsen 11:32:27 04/10/07 (24)
- Re: "Prop Head is... mostly made up of unusually conservative minds." Hey! Watch your tongue! - morricab 14:11:02 04/10/07 (23)
- Since no one has come out to say they disbelieve the Freeze Effect-does that mean it's accepted by everyone here? - Posy Rorer 21:57:35 04/10/07 (17)
- Your initial proposition was clear; the responses were hostile. nt - clarkjohnsen 11:38:43 04/11/07 (0)
- Re: Since no one has come out to say they disbelieve the Freeze Effect-does that mean it's accepted by everyone here? - morricab 06:11:22 04/11/07 (10)
- That would not be logical conclusion! - Pat D 12:54:40 04/11/07 (0)
- Re: Since no one has come out to say they disbelieve the Freeze Effect-does that mean it's accepted by everyone here? - Posy Rorer 08:54:10 04/11/07 (8)
- Re: Since no one has come out to say they disbelieve the Freeze Effect-does that mean it's accepted by everyone here? - morricab 09:40:32 04/11/07 (6)
- Re: Since no one has come out to say they disbelieve the Freeze Effect-does that mean it's accepted by everyone here? - geoffkait 10:41:18 04/11/07 (5)
- "That is if one is actually serious about getting to the bottom of this thing." But we all know the "one" ... - clarkjohnsen 11:36:55 04/11/07 (4)
- Mighty presumptuous of you Clark... - morricab 16:38:33 04/11/07 (0)
- Re: You're kidding, right? - geoffkait 12:11:02 04/11/07 (2)
- The "one" in question was m-cab. nt - clarkjohnsen 12:31:20 04/11/07 (1)
- Re: This all comes as quite a shock. :-) nt - geoffkait 12:38:11 04/11/07 (0)
- So you are asking morricab to prove the null hypothesis? - Pat D 09:03:16 04/11/07 (0)
- Due to your peculiarly aggressive and antagonstic attitudes, I doubt many would care to interact with you... - tunenut 23:26:10 04/10/07 (4)
- Look around... aggressive & antagonistic attitudes are hardly "peculiar" on this forum. - Posy Rorer 00:46:05 04/11/07 (3)
- You counted the number of responses! Ha! Ha! - clifff 11:10:56 04/11/07 (1)
- No clown prince, "something like"=guess. Go sit in the corner now. nt - Posy Rorer 14:19:47 04/11/07 (0)
- "Bad attitudes will get you bad attitudes in return." - robert young 06:05:32 04/11/07 (0)
- Re: Are you saying one is not repeatable? I'm curious, how do you know this? I'm betting you're just guessing. nt - geoffkait 14:32:01 04/10/07 (4)
- Are you saying it IS repeatable? From your own personal experience? - morricab 06:18:08 04/11/07 (1)
- Re: Are you saying it IS repeatable? From your own personal experience? - geoffkait 07:01:02 04/11/07 (0)
- Re: Are you saying one is not repeatable? I'm curious, how do you know this? I'm betting you're just guessing. nt - Mudcat 03:55:25 04/11/07 (1)
- Re: Tha's pretty funny, but - geoffkait 05:13:41 04/11/07 (0)
Follow Ups
- Re: Say pretty please - geoffkait 10:18:39 04/11/07 (1)
- May I learn from you how to home freeze it "properly" ? - cheap-Jack 11:50:10 04/11/07 (0)
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