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Re: here are a few points to consider

tunenut I agree that lopping 2 minutes from a 20 minute run is a real physical effect.

I agree that placebos have real physical effects. You cannot reject out of hand the possibility that hearing is affected by the expectaion of the hearer, but nor can you reject out of hand the possibility that the person may actually hearing what they claim.

I agree until a scientific controlled test is done, there is not even a demonstrated effect at all and that's exactly what I'm calling for scientists and/or audio designers to investigate "these sounds" or musicality if you prefer.

It's a hobby anyway, and if you want to stick to these dumb labels, I am more of a subjectivist than objectivist. Me too!

I disagree that in the case of a claimed effect where nobody has presented any attempt to control for bias (and everybody has bias), the likely explanation is bias. Real JJ and I discussed this quite a bit and according to Real JJ bias plays less of a part than most believe. I believe that in the case of a claimed effect where nobody has presented any attempt to control for bias (and everybody has bias), the likely explanation is unknown, period! To just out of hand say the likely explanation is bias is ludicrous, IMHO.

Thetubeguy1954



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