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No this is not the full and complete explanation

This post is not unlike many posts here by Objectivists who being so firmly entrenched in the belief that todays accepted measurements are sufficient, they have to resort to claiming Subjectivists are fooling themselves or Subjectivists are allowing the others around them to influence what they hear or as you tunenut are now trying to say, it's just a placebo effect.

Whats become increasingly apparent is that what I thought were a group of people (Objectivists) who wanted to know the truth and prove the truth via verification, are in all actuality a group of people who are more interested in believing they already have the truth, thus anything that challenges this "truth" is either unwanted or ignored. For examples of this behavior look at Dan Banquer who said "I'm not going near your "Gestalt" with a 10 ft pole." or tomservo who believes "... if there were anything “hiding” one form of measurement or another would have shown "something".

Why not look into "these sounds" or musicality? It's equally possible that these audiophiles are not just fooling themselves, or allowing other audiophiles to influence them or that it's not a placebo effect.

Remember Newton was believed to be correct UNTIL Einstein came along. So unless todays scientists or audio designers are willing to explore further in new directions, the possibilty of there being something hidden that once discovered will revolutionise how audio components are measured, will remain only a pipe dream.

Just think for a moment. What is the THING the ear uses to determine almost instantly the music is live and not recorded? Perhaps audio systems that have more of that THING, whatever it is, is why some sound more musical than others! Musicality is often just another way of saying realistic and what's more realistic than live music? Perhaps this is the "these sounds" Dieter was refering to. Why would anyone who loves audio/music not want to know the answer to this question?

I am amazed at the responses I'm getting, I truely am. These responses don't seem like they are coming from music lovers...

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