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I Disagree Real JJ

Posted by thetubeguy1954 (A) on June 15, 2006 at 08:38:38

In Reply to: And there were 'n' rays, and homeopathy, and chiropractic, too posted by real_jj on June 14, 2006 at 14:55:11:

Real JJ I'm going to respond to two of your posts here.

First post) You said provide evidence and that's what r Cheevers did, you just don't happen to agree with it! Apparently three professors of Electrical & Computer Engineering felt Mr Cheevers provided sufficient enough evidence to approve the thesis and give him his Master of Science in Electrical & Computer Engineering.

Second post) You said: "So you don't want to debate, and you won't do your homework?" & "You'd rather just call people names. Now, who's the bully here?" This can be verified by clicking on the link provided.

I DO want to debate (I'll get back to that) but I don't feel that I or anyone else who disagrees with Dan Banquer, should have to jump through hoops of answering technical questions BEFORE debating a topic. I've seen Dan pull that same stunt a few times. In my mind for an audio designer to start grilling audiophiles with technical questions (most likely to make them look uneducated and allow him to feel good about himself) was exactly like a Bully in a schoolyard and I called him on it.

I find it amazing that you somehow conveniently missed the fact Dan himself started the name calling by refering to me as " nit wit" I guess it's ok for your friends or those who agree with your beliefs to practice name-calling but not me, huh?

Now as far as your refering to me as being a bully to old Danny boy, I find that statement to be quite funny. A bully, according to Merriam-Webster is:

1 archaic a : SWEETHEART b : a fine chap
2 a : a blustering browbeating person; especially : one habitually cruel to others who are weaker b : PIMP
3 : a hired ruffian

As #1 is archaic and #3 I've not been hired, only #2 really fits. When I refered to Dan as a bully and this can be seen in context of what I wrote, I refered to him as one habitually cruel to others who are weaker. In this case it was obvious that I meant weaker in technical proficiency! Dan is a bully who is habitually cruel to others who are weaker in technical proficiency and that's the truth of it. If it offends you so be it, because it's the truth! Dan could have chosen to just debate the topic, but he didn't. In his arrogance he chose to drop to the level of bullying others weaker than him in technical proficiency.

Now in order for me to bully Dan he would need to be weaker than me. How are you implying he's weaker? Certainly not in technical proficiency. So how EXACTLY am I bullying Dan, please explain as name calling is not bullying. Maybe you believe I'm smarter?

You claim I don't want to debate or do my homework, I find that statement laughable. Sir you have sadly misjudged me. If you remember this all started with us as an Objectivist vs Subjectivist type debate. It even got quite a bit heated. In the end I posted that I would attempt to try and understand your point-of-view as an Objectvist better and hence NEEDED TO DO FURTHER READING. Hadn't you noticed I wasn't posting much lately? That's because I was reading and doing my homework so I could debate better! Remebr I also admitted at that time I wasn't technically proficient and most of the articles you refered me to were beyond my abilities to understand. So this was a difficult and slow process for me.

However as I said I told you I would do further research, I did. With Google I searched and read, searched some more and came across Mr Cheevers thesis. I personally liked and believed the premise of the thesis i.e. "There exists general agreement that the commonly accepted test and measurement protocols for audio frequency power amplifiers fail to correlate with the subjectively accessed devices sound quality."

It fit in perfectly with my previously stated belief that todays tests are NOT measuring how the brain/ear combo determines what does and doesn't sound realistic. To me these tests cannot be measuring the correct things. If they were measuring properly how the brain/ear combo determines what does and doesn't sound realistic, SET amps would measure a lot better than they do, but I digress.

What really caught my attention with Mr Cheever's thesis was 1) Mr Cheever was a B.S.E.E. so he had formal training and wasn't just another SET-nut. 2) Mr Cheever's earned his Master of Science in Electrical & Computer Engineering with this thesis, that took quite some time so we had an educated man who spent time developing a thesis and finally 3) Three professors of Electrical & Computer Engineering approved the thesis. I was overjoyed, here were educated men like you Real JJ who disagreed with your beliefs and at least in Mr Cheevers case agreed with mine.

At last you couldn't tell me, at least in so many words, anyone with a formal education wouldn't believe what I believed. I also thought it would be very interesting to see how you and the other Objectivists reacted to B.S.E.E with a Master of Science in Electrical & Computer Engineering saying he agreed with the SET crowd.

I guess I should have expected what happened. I now know I have an open mind, I went out, looked and researched. It's the Objectivists who are closed minded, if something is said, even by a highly educated man in Electrical & Computer Engineering and doesn't agree with the Objectivists firmly set in stone beliefs it's a crackpot thesis that's outdated and inaccurate.

Finally as you felt such a stong need to publically berate me for calling Dan Banquer a bully even though he fits the definition to a capitol T, are you also going to pubically berate him for calling me a nit wit, or is it ok for him to do that?

Thetubeguy1954

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