In Reply to: We know the answer, he agrees with the thesis' basic premise posted by Soundmind on June 14, 2006 at 16:00:26:
As soon as you go mess things up by jumping from what “a tube†does to what an amplifier (and all its parts) does, you have a different ball of wax.
For one thing, if you take a cold hard look at signal transformers, you find a multitude of flaws, one has to use them very sparingly or as Tom Dawson has, eliminate them. Curiously, some of the SET designers seem to relish using them in every stage.Meanwhile, a “small little red flag†sticks out of nearly all of the super solid state amps.
The premise: adding negative feedback, among other things, reduces the output impedance so you get the really low damping factor the magazines suggest you need (anything over about 50 is beyond making a meaningful difference).If the output were truly a low resistance then, when driven with an in band square wave, placing a capacitor across the output will show the rounding off of a first order RC low pass filter.
Instead, in most amplifiers, placing a cap across the output produces ringing to varying degrees and never look like an RC filter.
Ringing is a result of “higher order†stuff going on, clearly when driving a reactive load, it is NOT simply a faithful low resistance voltage source as imagined.One real problem designing passive crossover filters is dealing with the fact that the load (the driver it’s connected to) is NOT a simple resistance where you can simply look up values. Likewise, it is customary to measure amplifiers driving a resistor, it is the combination of Capacitance, inductance and resistance it will be driving.
Many SS amplifiers reach rated power into a resistance but go into safe area protection as soon as significant reactance is connected at a much lower level.
I guess what I’m saying is that there are so many problems one can have that it is hard to list them all. Are there faithful SS amps? Yes, I think so, are there colored “euphonic†tube amps, sure but there are faithful tube amps too.Tom Danley
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- Re: We know the answer, he agrees with the thesis' basic premise - tomservo 19:34:52 06/14/06 (30)
- As I said below, I'm reading the thesis again. - Soundmind 20:51:29 06/14/06 (29)
- This Is The Whole Problem - thetubeguy1954 06:47:00 06/15/06 (18)
- And here's my problem with what people with your view say - Soundmind 07:24:45 06/15/06 (17)
- Re: And here's my problem with what people with your view say - thetubeguy1954 09:37:19 06/15/06 (4)
- Re: And here's my problem with what people with your view say - Soundmind 10:12:38 06/15/06 (3)
- I Disagree - thetubeguy1954 10:10:23 06/16/06 (2)
- Re: I Disagree - Soundmind 10:19:17 06/16/06 (1)
- I Agree - thetubeguy1954 12:55:12 06/16/06 (0)
- DBT again! - cheap-Jack 08:41:28 06/15/06 (1)
- Re: DBT again! - Soundmind 10:00:27 06/15/06 (0)
- Re: And here's my problem with what people with your view say - morricab 07:30:56 06/15/06 (9)
- Re: And here's my problem with what people with your view say - Soundmind 10:18:10 06/15/06 (8)
- Re: And here's my problem with what people with your view say - morricab 13:39:12 06/15/06 (6)
- Re: And here's my problem with what people with your view say - Soundmind 14:56:08 06/15/06 (5)
- Re: And here's my problem with what people with your view say - morricab 03:02:27 06/16/06 (4)
- Re: And here's my problem with what people with your view say - Soundmind 03:19:00 06/16/06 (3)
- Re: And here's my problem with what people with your view say - morricab 12:09:16 06/16/06 (2)
- Computer crash so here is the rest - morricab 12:29:43 06/16/06 (1)
- I clearly overestimated you - Soundmind 06:06:30 06/17/06 (1)
- Re: And here's my problem with what people with your view say - Dan Banquer 11:07:51 06/15/06 (0)
- Re: As I said below, I'm reading the thesis again. - morricab 03:45:11 06/15/06 (8)
- A Possible Test? - thetubeguy1954 07:07:15 06/15/06 (3)
- Re: A Possible Test? - morricab 07:33:28 06/15/06 (2)
- For those who don't have a paper copy of Stereophile... - andy_c 08:01:11 06/15/06 (1)
- Re: For those who don't have a paper copy of Stereophile... - morricab 08:21:48 06/15/06 (0)
- Re: As I said below, I'm reading the thesis again. - Soundmind 04:48:48 06/15/06 (3)
- Re: As I said below, I'm reading the thesis again. - morricab 07:25:38 06/15/06 (2)
- Re: As I said below, I'm reading the thesis again. - Soundmind 10:24:46 06/15/06 (1)
- Re: As I said below, I'm reading the thesis again. - morricab 03:11:49 06/16/06 (0)
- Thank You..... - Todd Krieger 21:40:24 06/14/06 (0)