Has anyone here wondered like I have why Dan Banquer specifically but also Pat D & Soundmind doesn't ask John Curl, a very respected audio designer, to defend why he believes "Cheever's thesis is pretty good. It should be standard reading for audio designers..." ?"IF" this group really wanted to know how anyone could agree with another crackpot theory, that's outdated & inaccurate as they claim Mr Cheever's thesis is, they'd ask the one most qualified to answer that question, wouldn't they?
So I ask why does this group leave John's comments completely unchallenged, yet at the same time, demand I, BJH or others who are a lot less technically proficient than Mr Curl, defend our acceptance of Mr Cheever's thesis?
The answer is obvious to me... they DON'T really want to know the truth! They'd rather appear to be correct. Now in order to do that they MUST ask their questions of those who are less able to answer their questions in a technically, proficient, intelligent manner.
Consider this: as a group they refered to Mr Cheever's thesis and those who agrred with it as:
1)Another crackpot theory to bash negative feedback and solid state amplifiers by SET fans (Soundmind)
2)Take your head out of the sand and realize it's 2006 and not 1985 it's O.K. (Dan Banquer)
3) You don't know a hoax when you see one, and if it isn't a hoax then it should be. (Dan Banquer)
4) Outdated and Inaccurate (Dan Banquer)
5) What difference does it make if it's right or wrong, the guy bullshitted his way to a masters degree (Soundmind)
6) OK, so distortion measurements require some weighting to better correlate with what can be heard. So what's new? (Pat D)If Dan Banquer really believed what he said, he'd ask John Curl how he could believe "Cheever's thesis is pretty good. It should be standard reading for audio designers..." When Dan believes it's outdated, inaccurate and if not a hoax, it should be!
But instead of asking John Curl who could certainly respond to any question Dan posed, Dan asks BJH, me and others to defend Mr Cheever's thesis or at least our agreement with it!
Dan appears to be afraid to challenge anyone, like John Curl who could in a technically, proficient, intelligent manner actually answer any question he asked of him. Perhaps "IF" Dan develops the guts to ask somone who can actually answer all his questions, he'll ask John Curl.
I don't expect that to happen though. Most likely Dan, Pat and the group will attack this post and leave John Curl alone. But I understand, I wouldn't want to have my beliefs shattered publically in a forum either.
So get with it guys, ask John Curl to defend his beliefs about Mr Cheever's thesis, "IF" YOU REALLY WANT TO KNOW THE TRUTH & HAVE THE GUTS that is....
Thetubeguy1954
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Topic - Hey Dan Banquer Ask John Curl Why He Liked Mr Cheevers Thesis! - thetubeguy1954 08:12:09 06/14/06 (118)
- We know the answer, he agrees with the thesis' basic premise - Soundmind 16:00:26 06/14/06 (54)
- To refute the study properly you would have to update it and improve the methodology - Norm 06:04:48 06/15/06 (0)
- Re: We know the answer, he agrees with the thesis' basic premise - thetubeguy1954 06:01:43 06/15/06 (1)
- Re: We know the answer, he agrees with the thesis' basic premise - Soundmind 06:30:46 06/15/06 (0)
- Re: We know the answer, he agrees with the thesis' basic premise - tomservo 19:34:52 06/14/06 (30)
- As I said below, I'm reading the thesis again. - Soundmind 20:51:29 06/14/06 (29)
- This Is The Whole Problem - thetubeguy1954 06:47:00 06/15/06 (18)
- And here's my problem with what people with your view say - Soundmind 07:24:45 06/15/06 (17)
- Re: And here's my problem with what people with your view say - thetubeguy1954 09:37:19 06/15/06 (4)
- Re: And here's my problem with what people with your view say - Soundmind 10:12:38 06/15/06 (3)
- I Disagree - thetubeguy1954 10:10:23 06/16/06 (2)
- Re: I Disagree - Soundmind 10:19:17 06/16/06 (1)
- I Agree - thetubeguy1954 12:55:12 06/16/06 (0)
- DBT again! - cheap-Jack 08:41:28 06/15/06 (1)
- Re: DBT again! - Soundmind 10:00:27 06/15/06 (0)
- Re: And here's my problem with what people with your view say - morricab 07:30:56 06/15/06 (9)
- Re: And here's my problem with what people with your view say - Soundmind 10:18:10 06/15/06 (8)
- Re: And here's my problem with what people with your view say - morricab 13:39:12 06/15/06 (6)
- Re: And here's my problem with what people with your view say - Soundmind 14:56:08 06/15/06 (5)
- Re: And here's my problem with what people with your view say - morricab 03:02:27 06/16/06 (4)
- Re: And here's my problem with what people with your view say - Soundmind 03:19:00 06/16/06 (3)
- Re: And here's my problem with what people with your view say - morricab 12:09:16 06/16/06 (2)
- Computer crash so here is the rest - morricab 12:29:43 06/16/06 (1)
- I clearly overestimated you - Soundmind 06:06:30 06/17/06 (1)
- Re: And here's my problem with what people with your view say - Dan Banquer 11:07:51 06/15/06 (0)
- Re: As I said below, I'm reading the thesis again. - morricab 03:45:11 06/15/06 (8)
- A Possible Test? - thetubeguy1954 07:07:15 06/15/06 (3)
- Re: A Possible Test? - morricab 07:33:28 06/15/06 (2)
- For those who don't have a paper copy of Stereophile... - andy_c 08:01:11 06/15/06 (1)
- Re: For those who don't have a paper copy of Stereophile... - morricab 08:21:48 06/15/06 (0)
- Re: As I said below, I'm reading the thesis again. - Soundmind 04:48:48 06/15/06 (3)
- Re: As I said below, I'm reading the thesis again. - morricab 07:25:38 06/15/06 (2)
- Re: As I said below, I'm reading the thesis again. - Soundmind 10:24:46 06/15/06 (1)
- Re: As I said below, I'm reading the thesis again. - morricab 03:11:49 06/16/06 (0)
- Thank You..... - Todd Krieger 21:40:24 06/14/06 (0)
- Re: We know the answer, he agrees with the thesis' basic premise - Dan Banquer 16:42:47 06/14/06 (19)
- Re: We know the answer, he agrees with the thesis' basic premise - Todd Krieger 21:14:04 06/14/06 (18)
- I'm surprised you took the time.............. - Dan Banquer 04:50:21 06/15/06 (17)
- Re: I'm surprised you took the time.............. - thetubeguy1954 07:13:03 06/15/06 (16)
- It took me less than ten minutes to find this..... - Dan Banquer 09:14:19 06/15/06 (15)
- Sorry about jumping in here.... - Tre' 13:03:29 06/15/06 (6)
- Re: Sorry about jumping in here.... - Dan Banquer 16:10:35 06/15/06 (5)
- Re: Sorry about jumping in here.... - Tre' 16:38:12 06/15/06 (4)
- Jump right in, - Dan Banquer 18:40:07 06/15/06 (3)
- Re: Jump right in, - morricab 03:09:28 06/16/06 (2)
- Re: Jump right in, - Dan Banquer 04:42:57 06/16/06 (1)
- Re: Jump right in, - morricab 07:47:13 06/16/06 (0)
- Re: It took me less than ten minutes to find this..... - thetubeguy1954 10:03:13 06/15/06 (7)
- Re: It took me less than ten minutes to find this..... - Dan Banquer 11:10:04 06/15/06 (6)
- Re: It took me less than ten minutes to find this..... - thetubeguy1954 13:34:13 06/15/06 (5)
- Re: It took me less than ten minutes to find this..... - Dan Banquer 13:42:30 06/15/06 (4)
- Re: It took me less than ten minutes to find this..... - john curl 15:03:42 06/15/06 (2)
- Re: It took me less than ten minutes to find this..... - Dan Banquer 16:08:09 06/15/06 (1)
- Re: It took me less than ten minutes to find this..... - john curl 17:27:46 06/15/06 (0)
- Re: It took me less than ten minutes to find this..... - thetubeguy1954 14:06:25 06/15/06 (0)
- Re: Hey Dan Banquer Ask John Curl Why He Liked Mr Cheevers Thesis! - Todd Krieger 14:00:46 06/14/06 (14)
- And there were 'n' rays, and homeopathy, and chiropractic, too - real_jj 14:55:11 06/14/06 (13)
- I Disagree Real JJ - thetubeguy1954 08:38:38 06/15/06 (1)
- Sorry, but that's not how it works... - real_jj 10:55:52 06/15/06 (0)
- Re: And there were 'n' rays, and homeopathy, and chiropractic, too - john curl 20:04:31 06/14/06 (9)
- Hey, John, enough with the straw men... - real_jj 11:17:58 06/15/06 (2)
- Re: Hey, John, enough with the straw men... - morricab 14:00:02 06/15/06 (1)
- Here we agree, it would seem... - real_jj 14:28:29 06/15/06 (0)
- Whoa! What will be the response; do your own research; file a professional complaint; or do you know who I am? nt - Norm 06:37:32 06/15/06 (5)
- Have you retracted your false accusations yet? - real_jj 11:19:32 06/15/06 (4)
- Re: Have you retracted your false accusations yet? - john curl 15:08:37 06/15/06 (3)
- When they stop making false accusations, I'll stop pointing it out. - real_jj 16:49:20 06/15/06 (2)
- Man, you are nuts. nt - Norm 20:33:47 06/15/06 (1)
- Once again, Norm, when will you retract your false accusations? - real_jj 21:38:12 06/15/06 (0)
- Chiropractic... - mkuller 18:33:42 06/14/06 (0)
- Hello - jneutron 12:38:06 06/14/06 (23)
- Thanks.... - thetubeguy1954 13:30:14 06/15/06 (15)
- Re: Thanks.... - john curl 11:58:15 06/16/06 (13)
- Re: Thanks.... - jneutron 12:45:30 06/16/06 (12)
- Re: Thanks.... - john curl 13:14:07 06/16/06 (11)
- Re: Thanks.... - jneutron 13:41:01 06/16/06 (10)
- Re: Thanks.... - john curl 14:55:29 06/16/06 (9)
- Re: Thanks.... - jneutron 06:05:37 06/19/06 (0)
- Re: Thanks.... - john curl 15:11:31 06/16/06 (7)
- I'll add some more confusion here - jneutron 06:10:58 06/19/06 (6)
- Re: I'll add some more confusion here - john curl 09:30:03 06/19/06 (5)
- Re: I'll add some more confusion here - jneutron 10:08:57 06/19/06 (4)
- Re: I'll add some more confusion here - john curl 12:04:55 06/19/06 (3)
- Re: I'll add some more confusion here - jneutron 12:16:24 06/19/06 (2)
- Re: I'll add some more confusion here - john curl 13:20:02 06/19/06 (1)
- Re: I'll add some more confusion here - jneutron 13:38:19 06/19/06 (0)
- No problem - jneutron 07:00:30 06/16/06 (0)
- For The Life of Me..... - Todd Krieger 14:51:03 06/14/06 (2)
- Re: For The Life of Me..... - jneutron 06:40:44 06/15/06 (0)
- You can't be a 'winner' unless there are 'losers'....(nt) - mkuller 18:39:51 06/14/06 (0)
- John Curl... - mkuller 13:31:46 06/14/06 (3)
- Re: John Curl... - jneutron 06:19:16 06/15/06 (2)
- Historical perspective... - mkuller 11:06:49 06/15/06 (1)
- Re: Historical perspective... - jneutron 11:18:53 06/15/06 (0)
- Burning your own straw men, are you? - real_jj 10:40:35 06/14/06 (18)
- Re: Burning your own straw men, are you? - john curl 20:08:47 06/14/06 (16)
- Hey, John, can you do anything besides call people names? - real_jj 20:35:51 06/14/06 (15)
- JJ, You Dork...... - Todd Krieger 21:06:37 06/14/06 (14)
- How about you? Can you do anything besides call people names? - real_jj 21:26:15 06/14/06 (13)
- As I Was Saying..... - Todd Krieger 00:32:15 06/15/06 (12)
- The fact somebody called you a name does not justify your behavior - real_jj 10:56:40 06/15/06 (11)
- You Totally Miss My Point..... - Todd Krieger 12:08:55 06/15/06 (10)
- So, we should let Gresham's law win out? - real_jj 12:58:33 06/15/06 (9)
- "Win Out?" That Shouldn't Be a Concern!! - Todd Krieger 13:54:46 06/15/06 (8)
- Just noticed this particular mistake... - real_jj 00:25:43 06/16/06 (0)
- Re: "Win Out?" That Shouldn't Be a Concern!! - Dan Banquer 18:44:05 06/15/06 (5)
- Re: Nice try... - $orabji! 10:13:55 06/16/06 (0)
- Fuse Directionality? - real_jj 20:33:09 06/15/06 (3)
- Here's the link - Dan Banquer 07:14:42 06/16/06 (1)
- With my system, I can hear when those fuses are just in the room! - Pat D 12:29:32 06/19/06 (0)
- Ask Todd K. - Dan Banquer 05:08:26 06/16/06 (1)
- Obviously you don't get what I mean... - real_jj 14:28:53 06/15/06 (0)
- Re: Burning your own straw men, are you? - thetubeguy1954 14:12:50 06/14/06 (0)
- Hey Tube Guy! - Dan Banquer 09:08:51 06/14/06 (4)
- Re: Hey Tube Guy! - thetubeguy1954 09:30:55 06/14/06 (3)
- I see you took the time to search the archives........NOT.nt - Dan Banquer 09:37:18 06/14/06 (2)
- Re: I see you took the time to search the archives........NOT.nt - thetubeguy1954 09:53:10 06/14/06 (1)
- So you don't want to debate, and you won't do your homework? - real_jj 10:41:47 06/14/06 (0)