In Reply to: Try to read between the lines, my friend. posted by cheap-Jack on March 16, 2006 at 07:50:19:
I would go about it this way.If I were to conduct this test, I would have a FRIEND label the CD's and change them FOR ME without me seeing which disc was which.
I would then listen to each disc about 3 times to start. So I would write notes for three iterations of three discs or nine trials.
Then I would see if there was ANY similarities between my notes, and then ask my friend to reveal the sequence of which discs were played. This, of course, is if any differences were there to be heard.
If I DID hear any differences at all I would then try an ABX with two discs at a time. I would listen to two discs, one for say 2 minutes and then another for two minutes. Then I would have my friend play one OR the other, and I would try and tell him which one was which. I would try this for at LEAST 10 iterations and probably more like 20. I would want three different ABX tests, so that each disc would be part of at least ONE of the ABX tests. (aka 1-2, 2-3, 1-3)
This test method is one heck of a lot more thorough than just listening to the discs ONCE - not to mention SIGHTED!
The results of the reported method are still totally invalid. Statements about "trusting ears" and "try it yourself" etc etc do not change the fact that the method used is insufficient to prove ANYTHING more that people just don't know how to do listening tests so that any useful data whatsoever is generated.
Sure hearing is subjective - we can't tell what someone else is hearing. But we CAN test to see if the person is hearing the same thing in repeated iterations, and reduce psychological bias and the effect of the power of suggestion. People tend to hear differences when told they are going to hear a difference. The fact that they DO hear a difference in this case should not be automatically accepted and filed under "trust your ears". It should be filed under "test is suspect - did not compensate for human factors".
I'm done with this thread. Feel free to add any closing comments you have - and thank you for a cordial exchange. But I feel I have explained my point as well as I can. Arguing until we both agree is pointless. If that worked, everyone at the Asylum would be in total agreement by now!! lol
Cheers,
Presto
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Follow Ups
- What I would do is simple. - Presto 14:10:09 03/16/06 (36)
- Trust them or not, we hear with our ears. - cheap-Jack 09:09:33 03/17/06 (33)
- When they learn how to shine some ray through wine and tell us exactly how it tastes... - clarkjohnsen 09:17:14 03/17/06 (32)
- Re: When they learn how to shine some ray through wine and tell us exactly how it tastes... - Mahatma Kane Jeeves 10:45:19 03/17/06 (31)
- "We can tell flawed from [good or great]." There you have it, folks. - clarkjohnsen 08:27:53 03/18/06 (30)
- Re: "We can tell flawed from [good or great]." There you have it, folks. - kerr 04:49:18 03/20/06 (1)
- Yes. Thank you! nt - clarkjohnsen 09:27:30 03/20/06 (0)
- Re: a correction - Mahatma Kane Jeeves 00:28:40 03/19/06 (15)
- I too have hung out with wine, beer and coffee people. Never once... - clarkjohnsen 11:32:19 03/19/06 (14)
- Re: I too have hung out with wine, beer and coffee people. Never once... - john curl 16:40:18 03/19/06 (7)
- Re: I too have hung out with wine, beer and coffee people. Never once... - Inmate51 08:01:24 04/12/06 (0)
- What's your evidence, John? - real_jj 17:28:30 03/24/06 (0)
- Take a look below and discover how MKJ has weaseled out of his former, undefendable position. Very amusing. nt - clarkjohnsen 07:59:12 03/21/06 (3)
- Now that's just enough! - real_jj 17:31:34 03/24/06 (2)
- He narrowed his claims down to "research" from the broad ones he made earlier. Because he had to! - clarkjohnsen 09:06:36 03/25/06 (1)
- No, Clark, and that is really, really enough - real_jj 10:34:50 03/25/06 (0)
- Re: I too have hung out with wine, beer and coffee people. Never once... - Mahatma Kane Jeeves 01:10:11 03/20/06 (0)
- Re: I too have hung out with wine, beer and coffee people. Never once... - Mahatma Kane Jeeves 13:30:32 03/19/06 (5)
- This has nothing to do with Larry being an amateur. Nor were my claims false. - clarkjohnsen 09:34:41 03/20/06 (4)
- Re: One point of clarification - Mahatma Kane Jeeves 18:57:32 03/20/06 (0)
- Re: Your claims are false - Mahatma Kane Jeeves 18:17:04 03/20/06 (2)
- Oh, so now it's "wine research". You've narrowed the field of contention dramatically... - clarkjohnsen 07:56:51 03/21/06 (1)
- bullcrap - real_jj 17:34:10 03/24/06 (0)
- Martians regularly visit my apartment... - andy_c 20:24:43 03/18/06 (1)
- Re: Martians regularly visit my apartment... - kerr 04:55:02 03/20/06 (0)
- Well, Clark I agree to a point. - Presto 12:32:27 03/18/06 (9)
- Re: Well, Clark I agree to a point. - theaudiohobby 16:20:17 03/18/06 (8)
- Chris Sommovigo said it elegantly, for us who listen. - clarkjohnsen 10:37:24 03/19/06 (7)
- Irrelevant.... - real_jj 14:01:57 03/31/06 (3)
- "I would prefer it if you would be more logical in the future." And *I* would prefer it if... - clarkjohnsen 10:15:20 04/01/06 (2)
- Just accept the truth, Clark - real_jj 20:25:41 04/05/06 (1)
- Still making a spectator sport of yourself we see. - clarkjohnsen 08:00:02 04/06/06 (0)
- Re: He's full of it - Mahatma Kane Jeeves 11:30:42 03/19/06 (2)
- Notice you didn't mention Paul Prudhomme, nor did you take Chris's point. nt - clarkjohnsen 11:35:15 03/19/06 (1)
- Re: Notice you didn't mention Paul Prudhomme, nor did you take Chris's point. nt - Mahatma Kane Jeeves 13:32:21 03/19/06 (0)
- Re: A better method - Mahatma Kane Jeeves 00:16:19 03/17/06 (1)
- HEAR HEAR! EXACTLY!!! lol Nicely Put. (nt) - Presto 12:33:29 03/18/06 (0)