Re: 'Unlike software, there are no precise data patterns in music. So I question whether "lossless" can truly be lossles - Todd Krieger

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Topic - Codecs... - mkuller 12:36:33 02/09/06 (114)

Re: Codecs... - macaque 15:41:33 02/12/06 (1)

Well... hmmm... - Silver Eared John 13:49:05 02/13/06 (0)

New Cans o' Worms..... - Todd Krieger 02:25:23 02/12/06 (23)

Re: New Cans o' Worms..... - Jim Austin 17:03:12 02/13/06 (5)

'So in practice it's quite possible that Apple lossless is not truly lossless.' - Lynn 17:36:45 02/13/06 (4)

Re: 'So in practice it's quite possible that Apple lossless is not truly lossless.' - Jim Austin 17:58:12 02/13/06 (3)

Re: 'So in practice it's quite possible that Apple lossless is not truly lossless.'..Unlikely - theaudiohobby 05:29:58 02/22/06 (2)

Re: 'So in practice it's quite possible that Apple lossless is not truly lossless.'..Unlikely - Jim Austin 07:27:08 02/22/06 (1)

Re: 'So in practice it's quite possible that Apple lossless is not truly lossless.'..Unlikely - theaudiohobby 17:25:59 02/22/06 (0)

If y'all can reproduce that, y'all oughta make a bug report. - Silver Eared John 13:31:41 02/13/06 (0)

Apple Lossless..... - mkuller 11:15:08 02/12/06 (1)

Re: Apple Lossless..... - Lynn 13:22:07 02/12/06 (0)

'Unlike software, there are no precise data patterns in music. So I question whether "lossless" can truly be lossless.' - Lynn 08:01:55 02/12/06 (8)

Re: 'Unlike software, there are no precise data patterns in music. So I question whether "lossless" can truly be lossles - Todd Krieger 00:41:30 02/13/06 (6)

Re: 'Unlike software, there are no precise data patterns in music. So I question whether "lossless" can truly be lossles - Tom Dawson 14:19:47 02/13/06 (0)

Try this... - Silver Eared John 13:46:58 02/13/06 (0)

you can personally try this - tunenut 10:00:55 02/13/06 (3)

"the conversion on-the-fly is likely to exacerbate jitter and add RFI"- no argument there, - Lynn 15:10:34 02/13/06 (2)

Re: "the conversion on-the-fly is likely to exacerbate jitter and add RFI"- no argument there, - Dan Banquer 16:38:55 02/16/06 (0)

Your advice is very, very good, Lynn. - Silver Eared John 15:40:46 02/16/06 (0)

FLAC Testing - Lynn 08:53:35 02/12/06 (0)

Re: New Cans o' Worms..... - andy19191 04:19:09 02/12/06 (4)

It is also possible... - Jim Austin 17:00:51 02/13/06 (3)

Re: It is also possible... - andy19191 23:21:42 02/13/06 (2)

Andy, your message is mystifying. - Jim Austin 04:02:10 02/14/06 (1)

Re: Andy, your message is mystifying. - andy19191 05:17:30 02/14/06 (0)

I think guruboolez did the testing on hydrogenaudio - Atexanathome 07:48:35 02/11/06 (0)

He said "lossless", y'all! Wake up! - Silver Eared John 14:44:11 02/10/06 (46)

Re: He said "lossless", y'all! Wake up! - Jon Risch 19:09:01 02/12/06 (44)

Stuff and nonsense, stuff and nonsense - Silver Eared John 13:30:25 02/13/06 (2)

Nope, head in the sand..... - Jon Risch 17:55:24 02/15/06 (1)

Y'all can't answer this head-on, can ye? - Silver Eared John 15:31:13 02/16/06 (0)

Re: He said "lossless", y'all! Wake up! - Lynn 21:22:43 02/12/06 (40)

Missing the whole point - Jon Risch 17:47:55 02/15/06 (39)

No, Jon, no. - Silver Eared John 15:33:53 02/16/06 (0)

The output from the PC to the DAC is always a full linear PCM data stream - Lynn 18:35:11 02/15/06 (37)

Re: The output from the PC to the DAC is always a full linear PCM data stream - Jon Risch 20:01:37 02/16/06 (36)

Another fib, Jon? - Silver Eared John 10:24:23 02/17/06 (34)

JJ never could take a joke - Jon Risch 13:56:02 02/18/06 (33)

Re: JJ never could take a joke - real_jj 16:25:18 02/20/06 (19)

Congratulations on your award! It is good to have people of your caliber back on board. nt. - Lynn 08:06:15 02/24/06 (1)

Sorry to say... - real_jj 23:46:10 03/04/06 (0)

Hallelujah! - Pat D 12:17:48 02/22/06 (16)

Gee that's funny - E-Stat 20:00:48 03/03/06 (15)

Caymus, drop me a line via corporate mail... - real_jj 22:18:03 03/03/06 (14)

Don't forget to contact "old_jj" - E-Stat 05:41:14 03/04/06 (13)

Oh, that might be me, having lost the login information... - real_jj 17:32:04 03/04/06 (12)

The "real" jj - E-Stat 20:22:40 03/04/06 (11)

As you are well aware, I deleted that ID... - real_jj 23:42:03 03/04/06 (10)

Why do you think folks are well aware - E-Stat 06:17:37 03/05/06 (9)

So, you aren't dilligent. - real_jj 13:37:57 03/05/06 (8)

Pompous as usual - it IS you! - E-Stat 19:11:04 03/05/06 (7)

Some things just don't change. - real_jj 21:29:48 03/05/06 (6)

Your reply perfectly illustrates my point - E-Stat 14:29:49 03/06/06 (5)

Here we go again... - real_jj 17:21:46 03/06/06 (4)

Most folks would have just said - E-Stat 17:42:57 03/06/06 (3)

Most people might have asked, not accused... - real_jj 18:43:14 03/06/06 (2)

I most certainly did. Read my first post again (hint: look for the ?) - E-Stat 05:19:12 03/07/06 (1)

Riiiight - real_jj 10:48:45 03/07/06 (0)

Why don't you ask JJ sometime, then? - Silver Eared John 13:56:04 02/19/06 (1)

You did hear about the tea shop in Australia, didn't you? - real_jj 11:32:28 03/06/06 (0)

Joking with JJ about DBTs... - mkuller 12:01:30 02/19/06 (10)

Given the people who have died recently due to this issue, IMO, this 'joke' is in poor taste (at best). nt. - Lynn 16:24:27 02/19/06 (1)

Sorry if I offended you...(nt) - mkuller 11:17:28 02/20/06 (0)

Y'all do realize that's accusing JJ of malpractice, don't ye? - Silver Eared John 13:59:41 02/19/06 (7)

No one is accusing you... - mkuller 16:17:47 02/19/06 (6)

No y'all ain'taccusing me, y'all accusing jj - Silver Eared John 20:52:44 02/19/06 (5)

Dr. Jeckyl or Mr. Hyde - same person...(nt) - mkuller 09:53:39 02/21/06 (4)

Re: Dr. Jeckyl or Mr. Hyde - same person...(nt) - Dan Banquer 16:48:52 02/21/06 (2)

"real jj" registered February 20, 2006 - LOL! (nt) - mkuller 10:22:10 02/22/06 (1)

Re: "real jj" registered February 20, 2006 - LOL! (nt) - real_jj 11:53:24 02/22/06 (0)

It's time y'all stop spreading that idea, Mkuller - Silver Eared John 10:18:10 02/21/06 (0)

Re: The output from the PC to the DAC is always a full linear PCM data stream - Lynn 20:56:17 02/16/06 (0)

If interested, here is an older MPEG4 Lossless white paper. nt. - Lynn 08:57:06 02/12/06 (0)

Re: Codecs... - KlausR. 23:47:53 02/09/06 (2)

None of these articles... - mkuller 10:02:13 02/10/06 (1)

Most of MPEG-4 is not lossless, neither. - Silver Eared John 14:45:02 02/10/06 (0)

Re: Codecs... - Atexanathome 19:36:12 02/09/06 (0)

Would y'all mind not calling me names? - Silver Eared John 17:23:25 02/09/06 (35)

Sorry, I though you considered yourself an "expert"... - mkuller 09:58:09 02/10/06 (34)

Re: Sorry, I though you considered yourself an "expert"... - Rod M 19:44:30 02/10/06 (8)

Sounds like someone's been whining to y'all.. - mkuller 13:41:42 02/11/06 (7)

Re: Sounds like someone's been whining to y'all.. - Rod M 19:19:17 02/12/06 (6)

Honest discourse... - mkuller 20:14:50 02/12/06 (5)

Re: Honest discourse... - Rod M 20:07:05 02/13/06 (3)

Dishonest discourse... - mkuller 11:09:42 02/14/06 (2)

Now I just noticed that special little turd just now... - Silver Eared John 10:05:17 02/28/06 (0)

It's about whose attitude, chump? - Silver Eared John 14:00:48 02/14/06 (0)

Look who's stalkin' - Silver Eared John 14:00:10 02/13/06 (0)

I did answer the question... And y'all lied twice in your "reply". - Silver Eared John 14:39:27 02/10/06 (24)

Apparently... - mkuller 15:46:40 02/10/06 (23)

Remember the SNL skit with Martin Short - E-Stat 18:43:48 02/10/06 (21)

So Estat chooses to lie, too... - Silver Eared John 21:30:50 02/10/06 (20)

Seriously, John - E-Stat 09:24:59 02/11/06 (18)

As expected, he failed to address the questions, which you laid out specifically and mannerly.. nt - clarkjohnsen 08:08:30 02/14/06 (1)

baloney - Silver Eared John 10:27:18 02/14/06 (0)

Seriously, E-Stat - Silver Eared John 13:51:24 02/13/06 (15)

Why didn't you just say so or just clarify your statement? - E-Stat 14:47:59 02/13/06 (14)

Sorry, there, missed the relevant content... - Silver Eared John 15:06:36 02/15/06 (12)

Lemme 'splain sumtin' to ya Jawn - E-Stat 16:57:52 02/15/06 (11)

Yeah, I just said that. - Silver Eared John 18:08:59 02/15/06 (10)

But y'all's not a gittin' the idee hyer - E-Stat 18:46:49 02/15/06 (9)

Y'all need to study a bit, fella - Silver Eared John 10:37:48 02/16/06 (8)

Clouding the issue with facts? - Dan Banquer 14:16:46 02/16/06 (4)

Oh, geeze, man... - Silver Eared John 15:41:52 02/16/06 (3)

Re: Oh, heck John; - Dan Banquer 15:53:31 02/16/06 (2)

Y'all think? - Silver Eared John 17:08:01 02/16/06 (1)

Got it. - Dan Banquer 05:30:51 02/17/06 (0)

C'mon John - E-Stat 11:32:39 02/16/06 (2)

Yeah, it does require some "computational balls"... - Silver Eared John 15:40:04 02/16/06 (1)

Right (nt) - E-Stat 15:56:46 02/16/06 (0)

Well, shucks, who threw the first stone, stat? - Silver Eared John 18:57:09 02/13/06 (0)

Not me. nt - Dan Banquer 04:27:18 02/11/06 (0)

I answered the question, y'all... - Silver Eared John 16:58:27 02/10/06 (0)

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Re: 'Unlike software, there are no precise data patterns in music. So I question whether "lossless" can truly be lossles - Todd Krieger 00:41:30 02/13/06 (6)

Re: 'Unlike software, there are no precise data patterns in music. So I question whether "lossless" can truly be lossles - Tom Dawson 14:19:47 02/13/06 (0)

Try this... - Silver Eared John 13:46:58 02/13/06 (0)

you can personally try this - tunenut 10:00:55 02/13/06 (3)

"the conversion on-the-fly is likely to exacerbate jitter and add RFI"- no argument there, - Lynn 15:10:34 02/13/06 (2)

Re: "the conversion on-the-fly is likely to exacerbate jitter and add RFI"- no argument there, - Dan Banquer 16:38:55 02/16/06 (0)

Your advice is very, very good, Lynn. - Silver Eared John 15:40:46 02/16/06 (0)