In Reply to: He said "lossless", y'all! Wake up! posted by Silver Eared John on February 10, 2006 at 14:44:11:
It would be entirely possible for a lossless coding system, including MLP, to sound different than a straight ahead linear PCM data stream.The pattern of digital data transitions would be entirely different, so any data related jitter patterns would be different. The lossless coding might have a less 'busy' data stream, but be busier internally due to the decoding.
The net result would be a slightly different jitter pattern upon playback, and thus a slightly different overall sound. The aadditonal internal digital activity might be inclined toward a higher level of jitter due to nternal subystem interactions and PS drains.
See:
http://www.geocities.com/jonrisch/jitter.htm
and related URLs referenced and references a those URLs.Of course, I predicate all of this on less than perfect playback devices, but I think that is a pretty safe bet. Some folks might want to try and say that "with a properly designed XX" there should be no sensitivity to jitter (or insert favorite argument point here), but they never really seem to think it through that short of SOTA equipment, what ever gets done "right" in Audio? Even SOTA audio components still do not eliminate jitter from digital playback, only reduce it to the lowest of levels we can currently acheive. These levels are not perfection, nor have they been solidly shown to be inaudible.
Jon Risch
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Follow Ups
- Re: He said "lossless", y'all! Wake up! - Jon Risch 19:09:01 02/12/06 (44)
- Stuff and nonsense, stuff and nonsense - Silver Eared John 13:30:25 02/13/06 (2)
- Nope, head in the sand..... - Jon Risch 17:55:24 02/15/06 (1)
- Y'all can't answer this head-on, can ye? - Silver Eared John 15:31:13 02/16/06 (0)
- Re: He said "lossless", y'all! Wake up! - Lynn 21:22:43 02/12/06 (40)
- Missing the whole point - Jon Risch 17:47:55 02/15/06 (39)
- No, Jon, no. - Silver Eared John 15:33:53 02/16/06 (0)
- The output from the PC to the DAC is always a full linear PCM data stream - Lynn 18:35:11 02/15/06 (37)
- Re: The output from the PC to the DAC is always a full linear PCM data stream - Jon Risch 20:01:37 02/16/06 (36)
- Another fib, Jon? - Silver Eared John 10:24:23 02/17/06 (34)
- JJ never could take a joke - Jon Risch 13:56:02 02/18/06 (33)
- Re: JJ never could take a joke - real_jj 16:25:18 02/20/06 (19)
- Congratulations on your award! It is good to have people of your caliber back on board. nt. - Lynn 08:06:15 02/24/06 (1)
- Sorry to say... - real_jj 23:46:10 03/04/06 (0)
- Hallelujah! - Pat D 12:17:48 02/22/06 (16)
- Gee that's funny - E-Stat 20:00:48 03/03/06 (15)
- Caymus, drop me a line via corporate mail... - real_jj 22:18:03 03/03/06 (14)
- Don't forget to contact "old_jj" - E-Stat 05:41:14 03/04/06 (13)
- Oh, that might be me, having lost the login information... - real_jj 17:32:04 03/04/06 (12)
- The "real" jj - E-Stat 20:22:40 03/04/06 (11)
- As you are well aware, I deleted that ID... - real_jj 23:42:03 03/04/06 (10)
- Why do you think folks are well aware - E-Stat 06:17:37 03/05/06 (9)
- So, you aren't dilligent. - real_jj 13:37:57 03/05/06 (8)
- Pompous as usual - it IS you! - E-Stat 19:11:04 03/05/06 (7)
- Some things just don't change. - real_jj 21:29:48 03/05/06 (6)
- Your reply perfectly illustrates my point - E-Stat 14:29:49 03/06/06 (5)
- Here we go again... - real_jj 17:21:46 03/06/06 (4)
- Most folks would have just said - E-Stat 17:42:57 03/06/06 (3)
- Most people might have asked, not accused... - real_jj 18:43:14 03/06/06 (2)
- I most certainly did. Read my first post again (hint: look for the ?) - E-Stat 05:19:12 03/07/06 (1)
- Riiiight - real_jj 10:48:45 03/07/06 (0)
- Why don't you ask JJ sometime, then? - Silver Eared John 13:56:04 02/19/06 (1)
- You did hear about the tea shop in Australia, didn't you? - real_jj 11:32:28 03/06/06 (0)
- Joking with JJ about DBTs... - mkuller 12:01:30 02/19/06 (10)
- Given the people who have died recently due to this issue, IMO, this 'joke' is in poor taste (at best). nt. - Lynn 16:24:27 02/19/06 (1)
- Sorry if I offended you...(nt) - mkuller 11:17:28 02/20/06 (0)
- Y'all do realize that's accusing JJ of malpractice, don't ye? - Silver Eared John 13:59:41 02/19/06 (7)
- No one is accusing you... - mkuller 16:17:47 02/19/06 (6)
- No y'all ain'taccusing me, y'all accusing jj - Silver Eared John 20:52:44 02/19/06 (5)
- Dr. Jeckyl or Mr. Hyde - same person...(nt) - mkuller 09:53:39 02/21/06 (4)
- Re: Dr. Jeckyl or Mr. Hyde - same person...(nt) - Dan Banquer 16:48:52 02/21/06 (2)
- "real jj" registered February 20, 2006 - LOL! (nt) - mkuller 10:22:10 02/22/06 (1)
- Re: "real jj" registered February 20, 2006 - LOL! (nt) - real_jj 11:53:24 02/22/06 (0)
- It's time y'all stop spreading that idea, Mkuller - Silver Eared John 10:18:10 02/21/06 (0)
- Re: The output from the PC to the DAC is always a full linear PCM data stream - Lynn 20:56:17 02/16/06 (0)