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In Reply to: Re: Precisely my point :) posted by Soundmind on June 15, 2006 at 19:08:59:
HowdyLudicrous is perhaps too strong :)
I do agree that there are a lot of things that matter and that the thesis in question is but a start on one of them. Also I agree that controlling more variables in an experiment is a good idea and that one would sure want more things controlled in this case.
But it is accurate IMO that many of the measures quoted by manufactures don't tell us enough about things that matter when listening in practice and perhaps something like the thesis's proposed measure would be a good step in the right direction.
-Ted
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Follow Ups Full ThreadTopic - Great Thesis Worth Reading - thetubeguy1954 11:47:03 06/12/06 (143)
- Funny thing about tubes. - tomservo 18:31:08 06/13/06 (0)
- Funny thing about tubes. - tomservo 17:49:23 06/13/06 (5)
- Masking of intermods vs masking of harmonics - andy_c 07:13:24 06/14/06 (4)
- Cheever's explanation of harmonic masking - Soundmind 19:20:47 06/14/06 (0)
- Ping JJ - Dan Banquer 17:14:35 06/14/06 (2)
- Re: Ping JJ - real_jj 19:07:17 06/14/06 (1)
- Thanks. nt - Dan Banquer 05:30:50 06/15/06 (0)
- I've Cited this Work in the Past..... - Todd Krieger 17:45:57 06/13/06 (2)
- If you think this paper is so great... - real_jj 13:49:26 06/15/06 (0)
- I've told you a billion times not to exaggerate - tunenut 09:15:54 06/15/06 (0)
- Outdated and Inaccurate - Dan Banquer 12:25:15 06/13/06 (1)
- Objective audiophiles have supported "Just listen to the sound and let your ears be the judge" for decades - Richard BassNut Greene 10:05:07 06/13/06 (1)
- Re: Great Thesis Worth Reading - john curl 08:25:02 06/13/06 (0)
- This is what I love about Audio............... - Dan Banquer 08:09:23 06/13/06 (48)
- What difference does it make if it's right or wrong, the guy bullshitted his way to a masters degree - Soundmind 13:50:29 06/13/06 (47)
- again this is a bull-shit criticism without any reasoned thought. nt - Norm 12:01:52 06/14/06 (0)
- NO. you are incorrect, he did not bullshit his way. - jneutron 07:58:28 06/14/06 (7)
- It's been a long while since I read the paper so refresh my memory... - Soundmind 15:27:20 06/14/06 (6)
- I was not commenting on content. - jneutron 07:26:22 06/15/06 (4)
- Re: I was not commenting on content. - morricab 07:55:36 06/15/06 (3)
- Re: I was not commenting on content. - jneutron 10:02:59 06/15/06 (1)
- Re: I was not commenting on content. - morricab 14:13:08 06/15/06 (0)
- I think both are important - Soundmind 09:38:54 06/15/06 (0)
- I read this paper once and I'm reading again. At chapter II now. Anyone else or just more yammering? nt - Soundmind 18:18:23 06/14/06 (0)
- Re: What difference does it make if it's right or wrong, the guy bullshitted his way to a masters degree - john curl 20:52:27 06/13/06 (36)
- I don't have to, that's almost surely more than good enough - Soundmind 04:36:57 06/14/06 (21)
- Re: I don't have to, that's almost surely more than good enough - morricab 04:12:43 06/15/06 (20)
- Are you advocating informal home do it yourself DBTs? - Soundmind 04:59:42 06/15/06 (19)
- Re: Are you advocating informal home do it yourself DBTs? - morricab 07:02:26 06/15/06 (18)
- morricab, you might try considering the problem from the opposite end - Soundmind 11:43:17 06/15/06 (17)
- Re: morricab, you might try considering the problem from the opposite end - morricab 14:36:47 06/15/06 (16)
- Re: morricab, you might try considering the problem from the opposite end - Soundmind 15:36:09 06/15/06 (15)
- Re: morricab, you might try considering the problem from the opposite end - morricab 03:18:00 06/16/06 (2)
- Re: morricab, you might try considering the problem from the opposite end - Soundmind 03:45:38 06/16/06 (1)
- Re: morricab, you might try considering the problem from the opposite end - morricab 08:03:59 06/16/06 (0)
- Pushing you a little more :) - Ted Smith 17:30:03 06/15/06 (11)
- Re: Pushing you a little more :) - Soundmind 18:19:00 06/15/06 (10)
- Precisely my point :) - Ted Smith 18:52:21 06/15/06 (9)
- Re: Precisely my point :) - Soundmind 19:08:59 06/15/06 (8)
- Re: Precisely my point :) - morricab 03:24:39 06/16/06 (0)
- Re: Precisely my point :) - Ted Smith 20:06:34 06/15/06 (6)
- Re: Precisely my point :) - Dan Banquer 04:46:29 06/16/06 (5)
- Re: Precisely my point :) - Ted Smith 08:11:15 06/16/06 (0)
- Re: Precisely my point :) - morricab 07:58:11 06/16/06 (1)
- Re: Precisely my point :) - Dan Banquer 08:09:17 06/16/06 (0)
- Re: Precisely my point :) - Soundmind 06:42:26 06/16/06 (1)
- Re: Precisely my point :) - morricab 08:00:03 06/16/06 (0)
- Could you pls. clarify the point? - hexenboden 21:42:09 06/13/06 (13)
- Re: Could you pls. clarify the point? - john curl 22:48:37 06/13/06 (12)
- I have no sophisticated measurement equipment but... - hexenboden 09:50:07 06/14/06 (11)
- Re: I have no sophisticated measurement equipment but... - john curl 20:11:57 06/14/06 (10)
- Learn and grow - hexenboden 08:28:11 06/15/06 (9)
- Re: Learn and grow - john curl 09:13:46 06/15/06 (8)
- I will look for it, thank you (nt) - hexenboden 09:46:13 06/15/06 (7)
- Some links - andy_c 10:13:07 06/15/06 (6)
- Re: Some links - john curl 12:37:26 06/15/06 (5)
- Re: Some links - andy_c 15:46:17 06/15/06 (3)
- Thanks - Ted Smith 17:21:41 06/15/06 (2)
- I was thinking about posting a thread about this book... - andy_c 19:02:27 06/15/06 (1)
- :) - Ted Smith 20:12:51 06/15/06 (0)
- Yes but - hexenboden 14:30:41 06/15/06 (0)
- You've got no arguement from me. - Dan Banquer 15:00:36 06/13/06 (0)
- Another crackpot theory to bash negative feedback and solid state amplifiers by SET fans - Soundmind 03:09:15 06/13/06 (56)
- I have not read the thesis. He states that he found objective measures that better correlate with subjective evaluations - Norm 11:58:36 06/14/06 (4)
- And the other 99.999% of the world uses negative feedback. - Dan Banquer 16:46:09 06/14/06 (3)
- If it were used this extensively, no one would know would they? But that is not the issue - Norm 16:55:43 06/14/06 (2)
- Audible harmonic distortion is ALWAYS relevant. nt - Dan Banquer 17:18:37 06/14/06 (1)
- Not if it invalidly assesses subject performance or is at least somewhat correlated. - Norm 20:01:01 06/14/06 (0)
- the guy's asking some good questions - tunenut 09:46:36 06/13/06 (12)
- Re: the guy's asking some good questions - Soundmind 13:40:21 06/13/06 (11)
- Re: the guy's asking some good questions - morricab 05:19:06 06/15/06 (1)
- Re: the guy's asking some good questions - Soundmind 14:48:39 06/15/06 (0)
- guess I missed the point - tunenut 19:58:42 06/13/06 (8)
- Horse and buggies are still around too - Soundmind 05:34:30 06/14/06 (7)
- Re: Horse and buggies are still around too - Tre' 10:29:29 06/14/06 (5)
- Re: Horse and buggies are still around too - Soundmind 15:31:26 06/14/06 (4)
- Re: Horse and buggies are still around too - Tre' 16:40:13 06/14/06 (3)
- Re: Horse and buggies are still around too - Soundmind 16:52:19 06/14/06 (2)
- And - Tre' 20:29:08 06/14/06 (0)
- Re: Horse and buggies are still around too - Tre' 17:35:13 06/14/06 (0)
- that explains it - tunenut 09:14:32 06/14/06 (0)
- Why Not Write Your Own Thesis To Disprove It? - thetubeguy1954 07:38:43 06/13/06 (37)
- Re: Why Not Write Your Own Thesis To Disprove It? - Soundmind 08:46:48 06/13/06 (36)
- Re: Why Not Write Your Own Thesis To Disprove It? - morricab 05:23:00 06/15/06 (5)
- Re: Why Not Write Your Own Thesis To Disprove It? - Soundmind 06:21:02 06/15/06 (4)
- Re: Why Not Write Your Own Thesis To Disprove It? - morricab 06:54:39 06/15/06 (3)
- Re: Why Not Write Your Own Thesis To Disprove It? - Ted Smith 10:30:27 06/15/06 (2)
- Re: Why Not Write Your Own Thesis To Disprove It? - morricab 15:38:07 06/15/06 (1)
- Thanks - Ted Smith 16:53:12 06/15/06 (0)
- The rebuttal has already been done. - Dan Banquer 10:41:37 06/13/06 (11)
- Re: The rebuttal has already been done. - morricab 05:36:54 06/15/06 (2)
- Two Issues - Dan Banquer 06:12:08 06/15/06 (1)
- Re: Two Issues - morricab 06:39:24 06/15/06 (0)
- That's Not a Rebuttal...... - Todd Krieger 18:34:10 06/13/06 (5)
- Re: That's Not a Rebuttal...... - Dan Banquer 03:07:49 06/14/06 (4)
- Re: That's Not a Rebuttal...... - morricab 05:41:01 06/15/06 (3)
- Once again............. - Dan Banquer 06:16:13 06/15/06 (2)
- Re: Once again............. - morricab 06:24:59 06/15/06 (1)
- Re: Once again............. - Dan Banquer 07:08:47 06/15/06 (0)
- Re: The rebuttal has already been done. - thetubeguy1954 12:32:25 06/13/06 (1)
- Re: The rebuttal has already been done. - Dan Banquer 14:56:39 06/13/06 (0)
- Re: Why Not Write Your Own Thesis To Disprove It? - thetubeguy1954 09:05:06 06/13/06 (17)
- Re: Why Not Write Your Own Thesis To Disprove It? - Soundmind 09:18:25 06/13/06 (16)
- Re: Why Not Write Your Own Thesis To Disprove It? - morricab 05:44:39 06/15/06 (0)
- Good Response Soundmind. - thetubeguy1954 13:15:58 06/13/06 (14)
- Re: Good Response Soundmind. - Soundmind 13:36:43 06/13/06 (13)
- Re: Good Response Soundmind. - Tre' 22:45:53 06/13/06 (12)
- Re: Good Response Soundmind. - Soundmind 15:48:32 06/14/06 (0)
- Re: Good Response Soundmind. - andy19191 01:22:34 06/14/06 (10)
- Re: Good Response Soundmind. - morricab 06:06:13 06/15/06 (5)
- Re: Good Response Soundmind. - andy19191 10:02:38 06/15/06 (4)
- Re: Good Response Soundmind. - morricab 15:46:31 06/15/06 (3)
- Re: Good Response Soundmind. - andy19191 01:31:13 06/16/06 (2)
- Re: Good Response Soundmind. - morricab 03:37:17 06/16/06 (1)
- Re: Good Response Soundmind. - andy19191 12:26:16 06/16/06 (0)
- Re: Good Response Soundmind. - Tre' 07:43:47 06/14/06 (3)
- Re: Good Response Soundmind. - andy19191 15:49:45 06/14/06 (2)
- Re: Good Response Soundmind. - morricab 06:22:14 06/15/06 (1)
- Re: Good Response Soundmind. - andy19191 11:34:48 06/15/06 (0)
- Can't be any good, Tom, it used blind testing! - Pat D 16:55:16 06/12/06 (13)
- Re: Can't be any good, Tom, it used blind testing! - thetubeguy1954 06:51:23 06/13/06 (12)
- They were SBTs, Tom! - Pat D 07:12:00 06/13/06 (11)
- Re: They were SBTs, Tom! - thetubeguy1954 08:21:33 06/13/06 (10)
- Oh! So you mean only subjectivists can criticize blind tests??????????? - Pat D 17:27:47 06/13/06 (9)
- Re: Oh! So you mean only subjectivists can criticize blind tests??????????? - thetubeguy1954 06:41:37 06/14/06 (8)
- I've made some perfectly objective comments about his thesis, which you ignore. - Pat D 07:42:26 06/14/06 (7)
- Re: I've made some perfectly objective comments about his thesis, which you ignore. - thetubeguy1954 08:07:36 06/14/06 (6)
- Re: I've made some perfectly objective comments about his thesis, which you ignore. - Pat D 08:35:27 06/14/06 (5)
- Re: I've made some perfectly objective comments about his thesis, which you ignore. - thetubeguy1954 09:51:53 06/14/06 (4)
- What names have I called, Tom? - Pat D 20:04:42 06/14/06 (3)
- Re: What names have I called, Tom? - thetubeguy1954 06:24:30 06/15/06 (2)
- So you take it back? - Pat D 07:52:27 06/15/06 (1)
- Re: So you take it back? - thetubeguy1954 09:49:47 06/16/06 (0)
- There was a huge debate on Cheever's Thesis here... - cheap-Jack 12:57:15 06/12/06 (0)
- The Link To The Thesis - thetubeguy1954 12:49:47 06/12/06 (8)
- A few points... - real_jj 15:14:35 06/14/06 (5)
- Re: A few points... - morricab 08:36:18 06/15/06 (4)
- It's not that simple in real life. - real_jj 11:01:19 06/15/06 (3)
- Re: It's not that simple in real life. - morricab 16:02:46 06/15/06 (0)
- Re: It's not that simple in real life. - andy_c 12:05:42 06/15/06 (1)
- Hmmm.... - real_jj 13:06:54 06/15/06 (0)
- Do we have to read it before we argue about it? - Richard BassNut Greene 10:23:27 06/13/06 (1)
- Seems like a good idea........(nt) - Tre' 22:30:04 06/13/06 (0)
Follow Ups
- Re: Precisely my point :) - Ted Smith 20:06:34 06/15/06 (6)
- Re: Precisely my point :) - Dan Banquer 04:46:29 06/16/06 (5)
- Re: Precisely my point :) - Ted Smith 08:11:15 06/16/06 (0)
- Re: Precisely my point :) - morricab 07:58:11 06/16/06 (1)
- Re: Precisely my point :) - Dan Banquer 08:09:17 06/16/06 (0)
- Re: Precisely my point :) - Soundmind 06:42:26 06/16/06 (1)
- Re: Precisely my point :) - morricab 08:00:03 06/16/06 (0)
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