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In Reply to: Re: Good Response Soundmind. posted by andy19191 on June 14, 2006 at 01:22:34:
"I would suggest that most rational people would prefer to split the functions and use an amplifier with inaudible distortion plus a separate processor to introduce the distortion in a controlled manner.
"http://stereophile.com/reference/406howard/
Keith Howard has found that adding distortion to a recording does not result in any euphonic enhancement. This is a falacy that people who have a hard time believing tube gear can sound good use as a justification for why it subjectively sounds better than their SS amp. The truth is that ALL distortion degrades the sound. Some does more damage than others. You draw the conclusion.
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Follow Ups Full ThreadTopic - Great Thesis Worth Reading - thetubeguy1954 11:47:03 06/12/06 (143)
- Funny thing about tubes. - tomservo 18:31:08 06/13/06 (0)
- Funny thing about tubes. - tomservo 17:49:23 06/13/06 (5)
- Masking of intermods vs masking of harmonics - andy_c 07:13:24 06/14/06 (4)
- Cheever's explanation of harmonic masking - Soundmind 19:20:47 06/14/06 (0)
- Ping JJ - Dan Banquer 17:14:35 06/14/06 (2)
- Re: Ping JJ - real_jj 19:07:17 06/14/06 (1)
- Thanks. nt - Dan Banquer 05:30:50 06/15/06 (0)
- I've Cited this Work in the Past..... - Todd Krieger 17:45:57 06/13/06 (2)
- If you think this paper is so great... - real_jj 13:49:26 06/15/06 (0)
- I've told you a billion times not to exaggerate - tunenut 09:15:54 06/15/06 (0)
- Outdated and Inaccurate - Dan Banquer 12:25:15 06/13/06 (1)
- Objective audiophiles have supported "Just listen to the sound and let your ears be the judge" for decades - Richard BassNut Greene 10:05:07 06/13/06 (1)
- Re: Great Thesis Worth Reading - john curl 08:25:02 06/13/06 (0)
- This is what I love about Audio............... - Dan Banquer 08:09:23 06/13/06 (48)
- What difference does it make if it's right or wrong, the guy bullshitted his way to a masters degree - Soundmind 13:50:29 06/13/06 (47)
- again this is a bull-shit criticism without any reasoned thought. nt - Norm 12:01:52 06/14/06 (0)
- NO. you are incorrect, he did not bullshit his way. - jneutron 07:58:28 06/14/06 (7)
- It's been a long while since I read the paper so refresh my memory... - Soundmind 15:27:20 06/14/06 (6)
- I was not commenting on content. - jneutron 07:26:22 06/15/06 (4)
- Re: I was not commenting on content. - morricab 07:55:36 06/15/06 (3)
- Re: I was not commenting on content. - jneutron 10:02:59 06/15/06 (1)
- Re: I was not commenting on content. - morricab 14:13:08 06/15/06 (0)
- I think both are important - Soundmind 09:38:54 06/15/06 (0)
- I read this paper once and I'm reading again. At chapter II now. Anyone else or just more yammering? nt - Soundmind 18:18:23 06/14/06 (0)
- Re: What difference does it make if it's right or wrong, the guy bullshitted his way to a masters degree - john curl 20:52:27 06/13/06 (36)
- I don't have to, that's almost surely more than good enough - Soundmind 04:36:57 06/14/06 (21)
- Re: I don't have to, that's almost surely more than good enough - morricab 04:12:43 06/15/06 (20)
- Are you advocating informal home do it yourself DBTs? - Soundmind 04:59:42 06/15/06 (19)
- Re: Are you advocating informal home do it yourself DBTs? - morricab 07:02:26 06/15/06 (18)
- morricab, you might try considering the problem from the opposite end - Soundmind 11:43:17 06/15/06 (17)
- Re: morricab, you might try considering the problem from the opposite end - morricab 14:36:47 06/15/06 (16)
- Re: morricab, you might try considering the problem from the opposite end - Soundmind 15:36:09 06/15/06 (15)
- Re: morricab, you might try considering the problem from the opposite end - morricab 03:18:00 06/16/06 (2)
- Re: morricab, you might try considering the problem from the opposite end - Soundmind 03:45:38 06/16/06 (1)
- Re: morricab, you might try considering the problem from the opposite end - morricab 08:03:59 06/16/06 (0)
- Pushing you a little more :) - Ted Smith 17:30:03 06/15/06 (11)
- Re: Pushing you a little more :) - Soundmind 18:19:00 06/15/06 (10)
- Precisely my point :) - Ted Smith 18:52:21 06/15/06 (9)
- Re: Precisely my point :) - Soundmind 19:08:59 06/15/06 (8)
- Re: Precisely my point :) - morricab 03:24:39 06/16/06 (0)
- Re: Precisely my point :) - Ted Smith 20:06:34 06/15/06 (6)
- Re: Precisely my point :) - Dan Banquer 04:46:29 06/16/06 (5)
- Re: Precisely my point :) - Ted Smith 08:11:15 06/16/06 (0)
- Re: Precisely my point :) - morricab 07:58:11 06/16/06 (1)
- Re: Precisely my point :) - Dan Banquer 08:09:17 06/16/06 (0)
- Re: Precisely my point :) - Soundmind 06:42:26 06/16/06 (1)
- Re: Precisely my point :) - morricab 08:00:03 06/16/06 (0)
- Could you pls. clarify the point? - hexenboden 21:42:09 06/13/06 (13)
- Re: Could you pls. clarify the point? - john curl 22:48:37 06/13/06 (12)
- I have no sophisticated measurement equipment but... - hexenboden 09:50:07 06/14/06 (11)
- Re: I have no sophisticated measurement equipment but... - john curl 20:11:57 06/14/06 (10)
- Learn and grow - hexenboden 08:28:11 06/15/06 (9)
- Re: Learn and grow - john curl 09:13:46 06/15/06 (8)
- I will look for it, thank you (nt) - hexenboden 09:46:13 06/15/06 (7)
- Some links - andy_c 10:13:07 06/15/06 (6)
- Re: Some links - john curl 12:37:26 06/15/06 (5)
- Re: Some links - andy_c 15:46:17 06/15/06 (3)
- Thanks - Ted Smith 17:21:41 06/15/06 (2)
- I was thinking about posting a thread about this book... - andy_c 19:02:27 06/15/06 (1)
- :) - Ted Smith 20:12:51 06/15/06 (0)
- Yes but - hexenboden 14:30:41 06/15/06 (0)
- You've got no arguement from me. - Dan Banquer 15:00:36 06/13/06 (0)
- Another crackpot theory to bash negative feedback and solid state amplifiers by SET fans - Soundmind 03:09:15 06/13/06 (56)
- I have not read the thesis. He states that he found objective measures that better correlate with subjective evaluations - Norm 11:58:36 06/14/06 (4)
- And the other 99.999% of the world uses negative feedback. - Dan Banquer 16:46:09 06/14/06 (3)
- If it were used this extensively, no one would know would they? But that is not the issue - Norm 16:55:43 06/14/06 (2)
- Audible harmonic distortion is ALWAYS relevant. nt - Dan Banquer 17:18:37 06/14/06 (1)
- Not if it invalidly assesses subject performance or is at least somewhat correlated. - Norm 20:01:01 06/14/06 (0)
- the guy's asking some good questions - tunenut 09:46:36 06/13/06 (12)
- Re: the guy's asking some good questions - Soundmind 13:40:21 06/13/06 (11)
- Re: the guy's asking some good questions - morricab 05:19:06 06/15/06 (1)
- Re: the guy's asking some good questions - Soundmind 14:48:39 06/15/06 (0)
- guess I missed the point - tunenut 19:58:42 06/13/06 (8)
- Horse and buggies are still around too - Soundmind 05:34:30 06/14/06 (7)
- Re: Horse and buggies are still around too - Tre' 10:29:29 06/14/06 (5)
- Re: Horse and buggies are still around too - Soundmind 15:31:26 06/14/06 (4)
- Re: Horse and buggies are still around too - Tre' 16:40:13 06/14/06 (3)
- Re: Horse and buggies are still around too - Soundmind 16:52:19 06/14/06 (2)
- And - Tre' 20:29:08 06/14/06 (0)
- Re: Horse and buggies are still around too - Tre' 17:35:13 06/14/06 (0)
- that explains it - tunenut 09:14:32 06/14/06 (0)
- Why Not Write Your Own Thesis To Disprove It? - thetubeguy1954 07:38:43 06/13/06 (37)
- Re: Why Not Write Your Own Thesis To Disprove It? - Soundmind 08:46:48 06/13/06 (36)
- Re: Why Not Write Your Own Thesis To Disprove It? - morricab 05:23:00 06/15/06 (5)
- Re: Why Not Write Your Own Thesis To Disprove It? - Soundmind 06:21:02 06/15/06 (4)
- Re: Why Not Write Your Own Thesis To Disprove It? - morricab 06:54:39 06/15/06 (3)
- Re: Why Not Write Your Own Thesis To Disprove It? - Ted Smith 10:30:27 06/15/06 (2)
- Re: Why Not Write Your Own Thesis To Disprove It? - morricab 15:38:07 06/15/06 (1)
- Thanks - Ted Smith 16:53:12 06/15/06 (0)
- The rebuttal has already been done. - Dan Banquer 10:41:37 06/13/06 (11)
- Re: The rebuttal has already been done. - morricab 05:36:54 06/15/06 (2)
- Two Issues - Dan Banquer 06:12:08 06/15/06 (1)
- Re: Two Issues - morricab 06:39:24 06/15/06 (0)
- That's Not a Rebuttal...... - Todd Krieger 18:34:10 06/13/06 (5)
- Re: That's Not a Rebuttal...... - Dan Banquer 03:07:49 06/14/06 (4)
- Re: That's Not a Rebuttal...... - morricab 05:41:01 06/15/06 (3)
- Once again............. - Dan Banquer 06:16:13 06/15/06 (2)
- Re: Once again............. - morricab 06:24:59 06/15/06 (1)
- Re: Once again............. - Dan Banquer 07:08:47 06/15/06 (0)
- Re: The rebuttal has already been done. - thetubeguy1954 12:32:25 06/13/06 (1)
- Re: The rebuttal has already been done. - Dan Banquer 14:56:39 06/13/06 (0)
- Re: Why Not Write Your Own Thesis To Disprove It? - thetubeguy1954 09:05:06 06/13/06 (17)
- Re: Why Not Write Your Own Thesis To Disprove It? - Soundmind 09:18:25 06/13/06 (16)
- Re: Why Not Write Your Own Thesis To Disprove It? - morricab 05:44:39 06/15/06 (0)
- Good Response Soundmind. - thetubeguy1954 13:15:58 06/13/06 (14)
- Re: Good Response Soundmind. - Soundmind 13:36:43 06/13/06 (13)
- Re: Good Response Soundmind. - Tre' 22:45:53 06/13/06 (12)
- Re: Good Response Soundmind. - Soundmind 15:48:32 06/14/06 (0)
- Re: Good Response Soundmind. - andy19191 01:22:34 06/14/06 (10)
- Re: Good Response Soundmind. - morricab 06:06:13 06/15/06 (5)
- Re: Good Response Soundmind. - andy19191 10:02:38 06/15/06 (4)
- Re: Good Response Soundmind. - morricab 15:46:31 06/15/06 (3)
- Re: Good Response Soundmind. - andy19191 01:31:13 06/16/06 (2)
- Re: Good Response Soundmind. - morricab 03:37:17 06/16/06 (1)
- Re: Good Response Soundmind. - andy19191 12:26:16 06/16/06 (0)
- Re: Good Response Soundmind. - Tre' 07:43:47 06/14/06 (3)
- Re: Good Response Soundmind. - andy19191 15:49:45 06/14/06 (2)
- Re: Good Response Soundmind. - morricab 06:22:14 06/15/06 (1)
- Re: Good Response Soundmind. - andy19191 11:34:48 06/15/06 (0)
- Can't be any good, Tom, it used blind testing! - Pat D 16:55:16 06/12/06 (13)
- Re: Can't be any good, Tom, it used blind testing! - thetubeguy1954 06:51:23 06/13/06 (12)
- They were SBTs, Tom! - Pat D 07:12:00 06/13/06 (11)
- Re: They were SBTs, Tom! - thetubeguy1954 08:21:33 06/13/06 (10)
- Oh! So you mean only subjectivists can criticize blind tests??????????? - Pat D 17:27:47 06/13/06 (9)
- Re: Oh! So you mean only subjectivists can criticize blind tests??????????? - thetubeguy1954 06:41:37 06/14/06 (8)
- I've made some perfectly objective comments about his thesis, which you ignore. - Pat D 07:42:26 06/14/06 (7)
- Re: I've made some perfectly objective comments about his thesis, which you ignore. - thetubeguy1954 08:07:36 06/14/06 (6)
- Re: I've made some perfectly objective comments about his thesis, which you ignore. - Pat D 08:35:27 06/14/06 (5)
- Re: I've made some perfectly objective comments about his thesis, which you ignore. - thetubeguy1954 09:51:53 06/14/06 (4)
- What names have I called, Tom? - Pat D 20:04:42 06/14/06 (3)
- Re: What names have I called, Tom? - thetubeguy1954 06:24:30 06/15/06 (2)
- So you take it back? - Pat D 07:52:27 06/15/06 (1)
- Re: So you take it back? - thetubeguy1954 09:49:47 06/16/06 (0)
- There was a huge debate on Cheever's Thesis here... - cheap-Jack 12:57:15 06/12/06 (0)
- The Link To The Thesis - thetubeguy1954 12:49:47 06/12/06 (8)
- A few points... - real_jj 15:14:35 06/14/06 (5)
- Re: A few points... - morricab 08:36:18 06/15/06 (4)
- It's not that simple in real life. - real_jj 11:01:19 06/15/06 (3)
- Re: It's not that simple in real life. - morricab 16:02:46 06/15/06 (0)
- Re: It's not that simple in real life. - andy_c 12:05:42 06/15/06 (1)
- Hmmm.... - real_jj 13:06:54 06/15/06 (0)
- Do we have to read it before we argue about it? - Richard BassNut Greene 10:23:27 06/13/06 (1)
- Seems like a good idea........(nt) - Tre' 22:30:04 06/13/06 (0)
Follow Ups
- Re: Good Response Soundmind. - morricab 06:06:13 06/15/06 (5)
- Re: Good Response Soundmind. - andy19191 10:02:38 06/15/06 (4)
- Re: Good Response Soundmind. - morricab 15:46:31 06/15/06 (3)
- Re: Good Response Soundmind. - andy19191 01:31:13 06/16/06 (2)
- Re: Good Response Soundmind. - morricab 03:37:17 06/16/06 (1)
- Re: Good Response Soundmind. - andy19191 12:26:16 06/16/06 (0)
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