In Reply to: Great Thesis Worth Reading posted by thetubeguy1954 on June 12, 2006 at 11:47:03:
As I recall it (I read much of it) the theory tried to force measured data to fit preconceived prejudice against solid state amplifiers and negateive feedback advocating non feedback low powered SET vacuum tube amplifiers by stating that while these amplifiers have higher distortion, it is characterized by a greater relative distribution of lower harmonic components and therefore much more acceptable and less objectionable to human hearing. In other words, their distortion is higher but more musical. There's a lot of problems with this not the least of which is that many of the amplifiers the paper rails against have harmonic distortion of all components combined so low as to test the limits of measurability of even the most sensitive equipment so that no matter what their spectral distribution, they are for all practical intents and purposes non existant. By contrast, most vacuum tube amplifiers, especially those having impedence matching output transformers have very high harmonic distortion (relatively speaking.) We are talking here about thousandths of a percent versus over 1 percent.Other contradictory tests in the past have shown that fairly high levels of harmonic distortion are required to be audible. The main factor in the perceived difference between amplifiers and most other audio components is frequency response which IMO must be considered as the equipment is actually installed as opposed to bench testing because the associated connected equipment can alter performance.
This can of course re-open the endless can of worms in the dispute over the relative merits and drawbacks between solid state and tube amplifiers.
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Follow Ups
- Another crackpot theory to bash negative feedback and solid state amplifiers by SET fans - Soundmind 03:09:15 06/13/06 (56)
- I have not read the thesis. He states that he found objective measures that better correlate with subjective evaluations - Norm 11:58:36 06/14/06 (4)
- And the other 99.999% of the world uses negative feedback. - Dan Banquer 16:46:09 06/14/06 (3)
- If it were used this extensively, no one would know would they? But that is not the issue - Norm 16:55:43 06/14/06 (2)
- Audible harmonic distortion is ALWAYS relevant. nt - Dan Banquer 17:18:37 06/14/06 (1)
- Not if it invalidly assesses subject performance or is at least somewhat correlated. - Norm 20:01:01 06/14/06 (0)
- the guy's asking some good questions - tunenut 09:46:36 06/13/06 (12)
- Re: the guy's asking some good questions - Soundmind 13:40:21 06/13/06 (11)
- Re: the guy's asking some good questions - morricab 05:19:06 06/15/06 (1)
- Re: the guy's asking some good questions - Soundmind 14:48:39 06/15/06 (0)
- guess I missed the point - tunenut 19:58:42 06/13/06 (8)
- Horse and buggies are still around too - Soundmind 05:34:30 06/14/06 (7)
- Re: Horse and buggies are still around too - Tre' 10:29:29 06/14/06 (5)
- Re: Horse and buggies are still around too - Soundmind 15:31:26 06/14/06 (4)
- Re: Horse and buggies are still around too - Tre' 16:40:13 06/14/06 (3)
- Re: Horse and buggies are still around too - Soundmind 16:52:19 06/14/06 (2)
- And - Tre' 20:29:08 06/14/06 (0)
- Re: Horse and buggies are still around too - Tre' 17:35:13 06/14/06 (0)
- that explains it - tunenut 09:14:32 06/14/06 (0)
- Why Not Write Your Own Thesis To Disprove It? - thetubeguy1954 07:38:43 06/13/06 (37)
- Re: Why Not Write Your Own Thesis To Disprove It? - Soundmind 08:46:48 06/13/06 (36)
- Re: Why Not Write Your Own Thesis To Disprove It? - morricab 05:23:00 06/15/06 (5)
- Re: Why Not Write Your Own Thesis To Disprove It? - Soundmind 06:21:02 06/15/06 (4)
- Re: Why Not Write Your Own Thesis To Disprove It? - morricab 06:54:39 06/15/06 (3)
- Re: Why Not Write Your Own Thesis To Disprove It? - Ted Smith 10:30:27 06/15/06 (2)
- Re: Why Not Write Your Own Thesis To Disprove It? - morricab 15:38:07 06/15/06 (1)
- Thanks - Ted Smith 16:53:12 06/15/06 (0)
- The rebuttal has already been done. - Dan Banquer 10:41:37 06/13/06 (11)
- Re: The rebuttal has already been done. - morricab 05:36:54 06/15/06 (2)
- Two Issues - Dan Banquer 06:12:08 06/15/06 (1)
- Re: Two Issues - morricab 06:39:24 06/15/06 (0)
- That's Not a Rebuttal...... - Todd Krieger 18:34:10 06/13/06 (5)
- Re: That's Not a Rebuttal...... - Dan Banquer 03:07:49 06/14/06 (4)
- Re: That's Not a Rebuttal...... - morricab 05:41:01 06/15/06 (3)
- Once again............. - Dan Banquer 06:16:13 06/15/06 (2)
- Re: Once again............. - morricab 06:24:59 06/15/06 (1)
- Re: Once again............. - Dan Banquer 07:08:47 06/15/06 (0)
- Re: The rebuttal has already been done. - thetubeguy1954 12:32:25 06/13/06 (1)
- Re: The rebuttal has already been done. - Dan Banquer 14:56:39 06/13/06 (0)
- Re: Why Not Write Your Own Thesis To Disprove It? - thetubeguy1954 09:05:06 06/13/06 (17)
- Re: Why Not Write Your Own Thesis To Disprove It? - Soundmind 09:18:25 06/13/06 (16)
- Re: Why Not Write Your Own Thesis To Disprove It? - morricab 05:44:39 06/15/06 (0)
- Good Response Soundmind. - thetubeguy1954 13:15:58 06/13/06 (14)
- Re: Good Response Soundmind. - Soundmind 13:36:43 06/13/06 (13)
- Re: Good Response Soundmind. - Tre' 22:45:53 06/13/06 (12)
- Re: Good Response Soundmind. - Soundmind 15:48:32 06/14/06 (0)
- Re: Good Response Soundmind. - andy19191 01:22:34 06/14/06 (10)
- Re: Good Response Soundmind. - morricab 06:06:13 06/15/06 (5)
- Re: Good Response Soundmind. - andy19191 10:02:38 06/15/06 (4)
- Re: Good Response Soundmind. - morricab 15:46:31 06/15/06 (3)
- Re: Good Response Soundmind. - andy19191 01:31:13 06/16/06 (2)
- Re: Good Response Soundmind. - morricab 03:37:17 06/16/06 (1)
- Re: Good Response Soundmind. - andy19191 12:26:16 06/16/06 (0)
- Re: Good Response Soundmind. - Tre' 07:43:47 06/14/06 (3)
- Re: Good Response Soundmind. - andy19191 15:49:45 06/14/06 (2)
- Re: Good Response Soundmind. - morricab 06:22:14 06/15/06 (1)
- Re: Good Response Soundmind. - andy19191 11:34:48 06/15/06 (0)