In Reply to: Surround Playback Recommendations posted by Michael Bishop on November 29, 2005 at 11:33:29:
I do appreciate your attempt to set things straight, and the document you have linked is indeed a very useful document, and one that I've referenced in trying to set up my own system.However, you may want to think in terms of the possible confusion, or even anger (witness Skeptic's posts a little further down in this forum) amongst consumers, that may be generated as a result of your post.
The great advantage of stereo is that there is a well known "standard" for configuring stereo playback that is almost intuitive. You line up two speakers in front of you, you make sure they are equidistant from you, and you wire them up in phase. "Toe in" and speaker placement are simply refinements.
The "message" that your post sends to consumers is that maybe we've all been using the "wrong" (or at the very least, non-optimal) configurations for surround music listening, and even worse, possibly different configurations are required for surround music vs home theatre. Some people may react negatively to your message, no matter how well intentioned it is, and it has the risk for further marginalising surround music and disenchant consumers from investing in surround hardware.
Many people I know have spent upwards of $100,000 on surround configs (including dedicated, custom built rooms), and they've tried their best to emulate ITU. To be told now that perhaps they can get better sound if only they have known better, well, I wouldn't be surprised if some of them may regard this as slap on the face from an industry that has been well known for shooting themselves in the foot.
Sorry for my negative post, but news like this should be communicated carefully. Why have you stayed silent all these years and only spoke up now? If you and everyone else has been mixing to a "different standard" for the last five years, how about telling people about it. I noticed the Grammy document was only released last year.
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Follow Ups
- Re: Surround Playback Recommendations - Christine Tham 14:15:32 11/29/05 (33)
- Re: Surround Playback Recommendations - John Kotches 19:41:43 11/29/05 (23)
- True, but you've missed my point - Christine Tham 20:36:37 11/29/05 (22)
- Re: True, but you've missed my point - John Kotches 13:05:40 12/01/05 (1)
- Re: True, but you've missed my point - Christine Tham 14:30:24 12/02/05 (0)
- Denon... - Frank.. 00:36:57 11/30/05 (19)
- Re: Denon... - Christine Tham 18:34:52 11/30/05 (7)
- Reflections... - Frank.. 00:19:43 12/01/05 (6)
- Re: Reflections... - Christine Tham 14:27:03 12/02/05 (2)
- Re: Reflections... - Frank.. 00:25:37 12/05/05 (1)
- Re: Reflections... - Christine Tham 11:53:20 12/05/05 (0)
- Of course, that depends on how much later they arrive. (NT) - Kal Rubinson 08:40:00 12/01/05 (2)
- The later the better... - Frank.. 10:45:41 12/01/05 (1)
- To a degree. - Kal Rubinson 12:53:15 12/01/05 (0)
- Speaker distance - Michael Bishop 06:35:51 11/30/05 (10)
- Re: Speaker distance - Christine Tham 18:25:50 11/30/05 (8)
- In China, he will surely face execution (NT) - tunenut 10:37:59 12/03/05 (5)
- You meant 'Singapore' surely? n.t. - Martin419 09:04:03 12/04/05 (4)
- I hate to think what would happen to poor Michael in Guantanomo Bay (nt) - Christine Tham 22:47:34 12/04/05 (3)
- He'd have to produce a surround recording of the inmates singing the Koran. ;-) n.t. - Martin419 07:13:56 12/05/05 (2)
- and if not done in ITU, well, we don't use "torture" but.... (NT) - tunenut 10:52:27 12/05/05 (1)
- . . . he'd have to issue a videotaped confession that he really prefers PCM over DSD. ;-) n.t. - Martin419 11:43:05 12/05/05 (0)
- If the legal implications.. - Frank.. 00:32:32 12/01/05 (1)
- That's because you are probably not trained or familiar with the law ... - Christine Tham 15:39:38 12/02/05 (0)
- Sensationalist idealism vs pragmatism - paulcordingley 17:41:34 11/30/05 (0)
- I am wondering about the 60 degrees - Skeptic 16:53:10 11/29/05 (4)
- Sorry, 30 degrees each side - Michael Bishop 18:24:25 11/29/05 (2)
- I'm really glad you clarified that 30 degrees from center is correct;nt - Pacman 18:37:50 11/29/05 (1)
- agreed - Skeptic 19:14:44 11/29/05 (0)
- Re: I am wondering about the 60 degrees - Craig 17:43:06 11/29/05 (0)
- In defence of Bishop, stereo after about 50 years still also lack a standard - Ole Lund Christensen 14:57:31 11/29/05 (3)
- Sorry, but your points are all irrelevant - Christine Tham 15:50:11 11/29/05 (2)
- I find this thread highly entertaining.... - Chris Garrett 09:24:24 12/02/05 (1)
- Speaker positioning - Robert C. Lang 18:49:25 12/02/05 (0)