Saying that a simple 1/4" rod driven most of a yard into the ground with a steel connector to grounding wire is fine? - Norm

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Topic - Home electrical system grounding - MMasztal 08:17:37 07/04/06 (106)

May I suggest? - real_jj 21:55:22 07/07/06 (20)

Re: May I comment? - Jacques 05:33:34 07/08/06 (19)

You might forward your comments to Bill Whitlock... - real_jj 12:12:02 07/08/06 (2)

Re: You might forward your comments to Bill Whitlock... - Jacques 07:20:01 07/13/06 (1)

Well, I'm not the right person to address this to... - real_jj 10:43:21 07/13/06 (0)

Re: May I comment? - Soundmind 06:21:53 07/08/06 (15)

Re: May I comment? - jneutron 10:37:09 07/10/06 (0)

Oh yeah... - real_jj 13:29:39 07/08/06 (11)

What's wrong with the aluminum wiring? - GTF 20:32:52 07/08/06 (10)

Nothings as thick bar bus; but a no-no as wire - Jacques 09:37:43 07/09/06 (8)

The explanationsI read were slightly different - Soundmind 11:24:50 07/09/06 (7)

No arcing until the final fire! - Jacques 12:27:09 07/09/06 (5)

Re: No arcing until the final fire! - chris_w 02:38:45 07/16/06 (3)

This is much closer to my experience, arcing can continue for a considerable time nt - Soundmind 18:05:45 07/18/06 (0)

Yep - Ted Smith 10:03:16 07/16/06 (1)

Re: Yep - Soundmind 18:22:51 07/18/06 (0)

you will find a similar problem with underfloor "flatwire" in open landscape offices - Soundmind 13:57:25 07/09/06 (0)

If their installed correctly there's no problem. - GTF 12:05:17 07/09/06 (0)

"If it's installed correctly" - real_jj 20:39:08 07/08/06 (0)

Bad neutral connections, lightning current paths - Jacques 10:45:35 07/08/06 (1)

Re: Bad neutral connections, lightning current paths - Soundmind 13:00:15 07/08/06 (0)

Update - MMasztal 09:24:43 07/06/06 (22)

Good decision. - Jacques 11:39:44 07/06/06 (1)

Thanks for the input nt - MMasztal 12:09:54 07/06/06 (0)

One more suggestion - Soundmind 10:14:06 07/06/06 (17)

We already discussed that... - MMasztal 12:07:34 07/06/06 (0)

Err, there you go again. Total indifference to sound. - Norm 12:05:16 07/06/06 (15)

Stick to what you know, you are way out of your depth - Soundmind 12:41:09 07/06/06 (14)

Soundmind: I need guidance on assessing risk. - Lynn 17:07:29 07/06/06 (3)

Re: Soundmind: I need guidance on assessing risk. - Soundmind 18:19:31 07/06/06 (2)

Re: Soundmind: I need guidance on assessing risk. - Lynn 19:38:20 07/06/06 (1)

Re: Soundmind: I need guidance on assessing risk. - Soundmind 20:48:25 07/06/06 (0)

No offense, but you guys might further your respective cases ... - Dave Pogue 14:05:53 07/06/06 (8)

Lightening is indeed a word - Dave Pogue 14:37:41 07/06/06 (2)

With your posting, I see a lot more is raining down from the sky then just "E-lektizity" nt - Soundmind 18:22:03 07/06/06 (1)

Who-ee. - Dave Pogue 04:39:07 07/07/06 (0)

Yes, but I check it with spell check, which said it wasn't wrong. - Norm 14:24:18 07/06/06 (4)

"Owed to a spell Chequer" - markrohr 04:28:25 07/07/06 (1)

Good one! nt - clarkjohnsen 08:31:46 07/07/06 (0)

Oxford dictionary (in my Mac) says: - Jacques 16:02:32 07/06/06 (1)

Isn't English grand. In my American Heritage Dictionary 4th ed. - Norm 16:26:22 07/06/06 (0)

I think what you say applies well to you. - Norm 13:48:30 07/06/06 (0)

Sounds like a good way to go. Will be interested in whether sound will improve. nt - Norm 09:56:15 07/06/06 (0)

Excellent decision. You will not be sorry. nt - Soundmind 09:35:36 07/06/06 (0)

Call your local power company. They offer whole house electrical protection. - GTF 09:19:31 07/06/06 (0)

Why? - gymwear5@hotmail.com 08:54:55 07/06/06 (0)

Are you sorry you asked your question? I am sorry that I tried to help. - Norm 11:12:07 07/05/06 (3)

You are dangerous and reckless - Soundmind 12:29:58 07/05/06 (1)

I know your anger started sometime ago when I took exception to your foolish arguments. I leave you to bay at the moon n - Norm 13:00:16 07/05/06 (0)

Re: Are you sorry you asked your question? I am sorry that I tried to help. - Soundmind 12:01:10 07/05/06 (0)

Chemical grounding entails risks - Soundmind 05:36:58 07/05/06 (8)

Let me add that I said nothing about chemical grounding. Diatomaceous earth is ground sea shells. nt - Norm 06:46:28 07/05/06 (6)

Not ground. Diatomae are microscopic creatures with a silicous exoskeleton - Jacques 07:04:28 07/05/06 (5)

South Florida has much sand and base rock is very deep - Norm 08:39:05 07/05/06 (3)

Re: South Florida has much sand and base rock is very deep - jneutron 10:15:51 07/05/06 (2)

That I proposed to violate code and that what I suggested violate technical considerations - Norm 11:03:11 07/05/06 (1)

I believe his point was to get someone who knows code well in the locale.. - jneutron 11:39:29 07/05/06 (0)

I did not know that! Thank you. nt - clarkjohnsen 08:35:55 07/05/06 (0)

More nonsense. If you knew anything, you would know that enhanced grounding firms have dealt with such problems. - Norm 06:17:07 07/05/06 (0)

I live in south Florida - Russ57 04:46:48 07/05/06 (0)

Before you take anyone's advice..... - Soundmind 11:54:06 07/04/06 (42)

Completely agree with SM - Jacques 01:53:41 07/05/06 (8)

Thanks for your detailed reply, Jacques - MMasztal 09:38:58 07/05/06 (7)

Re: Thanks for your detailed reply, Jacques - Soundmind 10:16:53 07/05/06 (6)

Differing levels of grounding - MMasztal 16:05:40 07/05/06 (4)

It sounds better. - Norm 17:37:43 07/05/06 (0)

Re: Differing levels of grounding - Soundmind 17:12:59 07/05/06 (2)

Never said anything about sound system.... - MMasztal 17:42:05 07/05/06 (1)

Re: Never said anything about sound system.... - Soundmind 02:21:00 07/06/06 (0)

I am sure everything is perfect! nt - Norm 11:05:37 07/05/06 (0)

I'm with Soundmind on this one... - robert young 18:45:50 07/04/06 (0)

Saying that a simple 1/4" rod driven most of a yard into the ground with a steel connector to grounding wire is fine? - Norm 12:00:43 07/04/06 (31)

I normally don't respond to your nonsense but in matters of electrical safety.... - Soundmind 14:08:30 07/04/06 (30)

All I am saying is that code is marginally safe and only when enforced. Going beyond code is better. - Norm 14:44:48 07/04/06 (29)

Following the code give a much more than a "marginally safe" installation - Soundmind 09:00:03 07/05/06 (8)

Soundmind, you put too much faith in "code"... - MMasztal 09:27:29 07/05/06 (5)

And you put too little faith in "code"... - Soundmind 09:53:34 07/05/06 (4)

You probably don't remember this, but... - kerr 10:34:06 07/05/06 (3)

Power conditioners should be used to achieve better sound, not correct for errors elsewhere. - clarkjohnsen 10:45:57 07/05/06 (2)

It didn't do a thing to the sound - kerr 11:59:25 07/05/06 (1)

"I guess I should consider myself lucky." I guess too... nt - clarkjohnsen 07:27:01 07/06/06 (0)

Who said anything about ignoring the code? Who are you to say that it is more than marginally safe? Rusted rod is safe? - Norm 09:23:04 07/05/06 (1)

If the ground rod is corroded, then the correct thing to do is to have it replaced - Soundmind 11:40:28 07/05/06 (0)

You'd think that your position is unassailable... but, no, not for the ungrateful. nt - clarkjohnsen 08:30:38 07/05/06 (16)

He's no less of a dunce than you are - Soundmind 09:04:31 07/05/06 (15)

"You review records for a living." My usual policy is not to respond to lunacy, but here's an exception. - clarkjohnsen 10:41:28 07/05/06 (0)

The only thing you are not a dunce about is red herring arguments - Norm 09:40:48 07/05/06 (13)

Oh you audiophile types are so smart...you forget... - Soundmind 10:08:58 07/05/06 (12)

Another red herring. What does the industry's best efforts have to do with this topic? - Norm 11:17:01 07/05/06 (11)

I've never put much stock in this old saying but.... - Soundmind 11:58:58 07/05/06 (10)

If you have no argument to make be insulting. I know this is your credo, but I would have to respect you to care. nt - Norm 12:45:41 07/05/06 (9)

Exactly. Note too, he could not think how to reply intelligently to my message above. nt - clarkjohnsen 09:17:40 07/06/06 (8)

Two bricks in an empty steel drum rolling down a hill makes for one hell of a racket ... - Soundmind 09:48:16 07/06/06 (7)

Like the validity of your advice? Apparently you have noticed that I found most of what you have said to be wrong. nt - Norm 20:35:48 07/06/06 (6)

You'd find the sun rising in the east wrong if I said it. nt - Soundmind 06:08:25 07/07/06 (5)

I don't understand your anxiety about electricity or over emphasis on the grounding code, especially given what I havent - Norm 07:03:52 07/07/06 (4)

You are a nitwit - Soundmind 08:03:44 07/07/06 (3)

Man, you are worthless and fixated on safety to an abnormal degree. Did you narrowly avoid being electrocuted? - Norm 14:57:50 07/07/06 (2)

So are those improvements compliant with the code or not? - Pat D 03:53:45 07/12/06 (0)

A classic example of the ad-hominem fallacy, Norm - real_jj 11:12:07 07/10/06 (0)

Another thing the code says at the outset is it that it is not a manual for untrained people - Soundmind 04:42:30 07/05/06 (0)

"only when enforced" Ain't that the truth.. - MMasztal 17:08:25 07/04/06 (1)

Thanks for the tip - Norm 18:41:04 07/04/06 (0)

Pack diatomaceous earth around the grounding rod and keep it watered. - Norm 09:56:24 07/04/06 (2)

If he puts up a privacy screen, will you go water it for him every day? nt - Soundmind 08:19:59 07/07/06 (1)

If you won't maybe he could get a dog and train it. nt - Soundmind 11:28:36 07/07/06 (0)

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Saying that a simple 1/4" rod driven most of a yard into the ground with a steel connector to grounding wire is fine? - Norm 12:00:43 07/04/06 (31)

I normally don't respond to your nonsense but in matters of electrical safety.... - Soundmind 14:08:30 07/04/06 (30)

All I am saying is that code is marginally safe and only when enforced. Going beyond code is better. - Norm 14:44:48 07/04/06 (29)

Following the code give a much more than a "marginally safe" installation - Soundmind 09:00:03 07/05/06 (8)

Soundmind, you put too much faith in "code"... - MMasztal 09:27:29 07/05/06 (5)

And you put too little faith in "code"... - Soundmind 09:53:34 07/05/06 (4)

You probably don't remember this, but... - kerr 10:34:06 07/05/06 (3)

Power conditioners should be used to achieve better sound, not correct for errors elsewhere. - clarkjohnsen 10:45:57 07/05/06 (2)

It didn't do a thing to the sound - kerr 11:59:25 07/05/06 (1)

"I guess I should consider myself lucky." I guess too... nt - clarkjohnsen 07:27:01 07/06/06 (0)

Who said anything about ignoring the code? Who are you to say that it is more than marginally safe? Rusted rod is safe? - Norm 09:23:04 07/05/06 (1)

If the ground rod is corroded, then the correct thing to do is to have it replaced - Soundmind 11:40:28 07/05/06 (0)

You'd think that your position is unassailable... but, no, not for the ungrateful. nt - clarkjohnsen 08:30:38 07/05/06 (16)

He's no less of a dunce than you are - Soundmind 09:04:31 07/05/06 (15)

"You review records for a living." My usual policy is not to respond to lunacy, but here's an exception. - clarkjohnsen 10:41:28 07/05/06 (0)

The only thing you are not a dunce about is red herring arguments - Norm 09:40:48 07/05/06 (13)

Oh you audiophile types are so smart...you forget... - Soundmind 10:08:58 07/05/06 (12)

Another red herring. What does the industry's best efforts have to do with this topic? - Norm 11:17:01 07/05/06 (11)

I've never put much stock in this old saying but.... - Soundmind 11:58:58 07/05/06 (10)

If you have no argument to make be insulting. I know this is your credo, but I would have to respect you to care. nt - Norm 12:45:41 07/05/06 (9)

Exactly. Note too, he could not think how to reply intelligently to my message above. nt - clarkjohnsen 09:17:40 07/06/06 (8)

Two bricks in an empty steel drum rolling down a hill makes for one hell of a racket ... - Soundmind 09:48:16 07/06/06 (7)

Like the validity of your advice? Apparently you have noticed that I found most of what you have said to be wrong. nt - Norm 20:35:48 07/06/06 (6)

You'd find the sun rising in the east wrong if I said it. nt - Soundmind 06:08:25 07/07/06 (5)

I don't understand your anxiety about electricity or over emphasis on the grounding code, especially given what I havent - Norm 07:03:52 07/07/06 (4)

You are a nitwit - Soundmind 08:03:44 07/07/06 (3)

Man, you are worthless and fixated on safety to an abnormal degree. Did you narrowly avoid being electrocuted? - Norm 14:57:50 07/07/06 (2)

So are those improvements compliant with the code or not? - Pat D 03:53:45 07/12/06 (0)

A classic example of the ad-hominem fallacy, Norm - real_jj 11:12:07 07/10/06 (0)

Another thing the code says at the outset is it that it is not a manual for untrained people - Soundmind 04:42:30 07/05/06 (0)

"only when enforced" Ain't that the truth.. - MMasztal 17:08:25 07/04/06 (1)

Thanks for the tip - Norm 18:41:04 07/04/06 (0)