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Re: Well,show us a testable, verifiable proof

Hi John

In a way, this is like blind testing or trying to find out what reality is.
From before time = 0,to the “the event”, going forward for a considerable time, the scientific and various religious explanations have an equal footing so far as provable fact.

Both approaches may be describing the same event, one using most ancient and the other most modern knowledge and words. Adaptive evolution is an obvious fact, however, that is an unsatisfying explanation as to “how” our planet went from a ball of 1500 degree lava to one covered by various life forms.

Consider too how much the meaning of words has changed and the impact on meaning that has.
For example, the Biblical quote “the meek shall inherit the earth”. Back then Meek meant an entirely different thing.
A D-9 bulldozer carefully driving around a clump of wild flowers is Meek, it is great power under precise control, not “wimpy” as in the current meaning and there are many examples of this. How can the bible be accessible, literal truth when the meaning of words has changed so much?

The issue is too charged, based not of what can be proven or not but one of conviction to one of the two postures, much like either the dedicated golden ear or meter reader.

I used to work with a number of scientists, all very sharp people. It was funny, you would think that they would be aligned with the liberal, modern ridiculing religion posture that is projected as the “science” position.
With one exception, they were all pretty unsure, they took the position that unless something could be proved one way or the other, that that was a door which remained open a crack, including the idea of God.

One of them, in a lunch table discussion of a friends work, an Indian fellow told of an elaborate way they were taking ultra high speed strobed Xray microphotographs of a molecule called a Ribosome (sp?).
It turned out it was a molecular machine made of protein, a tiny little factory. It has several places where building block atoms go in, there are parts that move (faster than could be resolved at the time) and finished protein molecules come out the end.
He made an interesting statement. He said “Well, you could put monkeys in a room with typewriters and so on…. But if you filled a room with machine parts and waited for ever, your will never have a machine assemble itself” Ribosome’s make the proteins they are made of.
This kind of thing made me alter my anti religious posture eventually to one where the door is open a crack.

The problem is, that when one goes well beyond the edge of what can be proven, measured, detected, one is stepping into faith, religious or scientific.

Tom



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