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In Reply to: Isn’t it ironic that it’s usually hardcore subjectivists denying DBTs? posted by Caymus on December 24, 2005 at 14:29:02:
...since I've not done so with you specifically and I don't know if anyone else has. Perhaps you will understand what seems so simple to me but is apparently overwhelmingly difficult for the rest of the DBT'ers around here to pick up.No one is AGAINST DBT's - or, at least, I'm not. I've done enough reading on the subject, however, to know that setting one up that is scientifically sound isn't a simple matter. If I'm to do so, I would like some evidence (proof) that such a test has been calibrated to bring out the differences that exist in some components in the cases where those differences are known. And I'm NOT talking about some 1970's design tube amplifier vs an SS design. I'm talking about modern gear. Hell, one poster on this board was lambasting tube stuff and hadn't even heard any in over 20 years!
Anyway, because DBT's "work" for medicines and colas isn't good enough. I've no doubt that DBT's have their uses and are effective in those cases. But who's to say that these tests don't mask the very differences they're trying to uncover in audio gear? How do you know they aren't giving us false negatives? So I would like some proof that they've been calibrated to pick up differences when differences are known to be present - for instance, in a cable deliberately designed not to be neutral. mkuller has skillfully pointed out how DBT's could be calibrated in order to make them useful in audio. I'm not against DBT's but I wouldn't try to weigh something in ounces on a scale that only showed pounds. If it can be shown that DBT's have been calibrated, I will then go to the trouble of setting one up. I will live with whatever they show at that point. But I'm not going to waste my time with an invalid test that will give me a false answer.
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Follow Ups
- I'll try explaining it to you - kerr 17:58:26 12/24/05 (20)
- No difference - “sighted†listening has the exactly the SAME problems you mention - Caymus 19:29:52 12/24/05 (19)
- True but I'm not claiming sighted listening to be superior overall - kerr 14:57:23 12/25/05 (18)
- Out of curiousity... - Silver Eared John 10:25:35 01/03/06 (0)
- Ah! So you take 'bias' as a personal matter, subject to your learning and volition. - Pat D 11:00:50 12/26/05 (16)
- Re: Ah! So you take 'bias' as a personal matter, subject to your learning and volition. - kerr 13:22:30 12/26/05 (15)
- Re: Ah! So you take 'bias' as a personal matter, subject to your learning and volition. - Pat D 20:53:53 12/26/05 (14)
- Re: Ah! So you take 'bias' as a personal matter, subject to your learning and volition. - kerr 06:31:54 12/27/05 (13)
- So the donkey would starve? (nt) - Pat D 09:56:56 12/27/05 (12)
- No, he simply did the donkey version of eeny, meeny, miney mo! - kerr 10:26:06 12/27/05 (11)
- You'll find a reason to favor one over the other - Caymus 12:44:37 12/27/05 (10)
- Agreed - kerr 14:13:48 12/27/05 (9)
- Busting the donkey scenario. - clarkjohnsen 15:09:03 12/27/05 (8)
- Re: Busting the donkey scenario. - David Aiken 14:58:06 12/28/05 (1)
- Trust you kept track of which was which... nt - clarkjohnsen 17:22:59 12/28/05 (0)
- Heh, heh - kerr 17:09:00 12/27/05 (5)
- And there you have it, in the words of the master... nt - clarkjohnsen 08:08:03 12/28/05 (0)
- You still had to choose one before another. - Pat D 21:56:44 12/27/05 (3)
- Your story has a point - kerr 04:33:43 12/28/05 (2)
- Re: Your story has a point - gymwear5@hotmail.com 08:09:37 12/30/05 (1)
- If that's the point of the donkey story... - kerr 09:49:33 12/30/05 (0)
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