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In Reply to: What??? The race card? Who brought that up? posted by Lynn on October 17, 2005 at 07:15:01:
>>I merely asked what determined where you placed people,It's pretty damn obvious we're talking about a how people have taken a position on a single issue not categorizing them - I've made this clear from the beginning why do you insist on continuing with this issue. The guys who listened and made up thier mind (regardless of what side they ended up on) are following the traditions fowarded by subjectivist audiophiles. The other guys (including Stereophile writers, sic) never listened and followed the traditions of those who consider subjectivist audio voodoo and witchcraft.
I've made this clear on several occasions (I can post links if your point is to put me on the defensive) but mostly everyone in audio is a subjectivist no matter how much they try to deny it. I said the classifications are bs in my first response to you, and my second and again in this third. Why do you continue to ask the question?
>>Perhaps I have missed an opportunity, but I have never found any
>>magazine to make this type of statement.
And you must likely never will - as any magazine attempting to maintain a strictly objective position, as well as one with narrow subjective values, will by the subjectivness of this hobby have a very limited appeal.>>The term 'subjective objectivism' would need a bit more definition
>>before I can comment. However, if you mean dismissing a tweak as a
>>fraud without trying it, I do agree that in most cases it is un-
>>acceptable. A case can be made that IC should be an exception
>>given the information readily available.
Sure but where do we draw the line. At the time of the comments, AFAIK, there were no manufacturer descriptions to debunk, just propositions set forth by others. Looking at the links to sites involved with what must be considered an emerging technology it seems unreasonable to dismiss the IC, at least before listening, as one could easily do with the claim of putting the picture of oneself in the freezer brings improvements in the sound of a hifi.I'm sorry, those who dismiss subjectivist audio as witchcraft and voodoo can do so and remain true to form. As an engineer myself I have to defend my position as an audiophile to my peers based mostly on my subjective preferences and values - I can't possibly "win" an argument with a qualified electonics technician, much less an engineer, justifying the cost and expense of hi fi audio without resorting to subjectivism or attempting to stupify them with bullshit.
And even further I can and I'm sure others can as well define colorations and distortions that some audiophiles find preferential - and these colorations/distortions are present in high cost audio products where much more accurate equipment can be purchased for less money. Are these products shunned and labeled as distorted or colored - no they are embraced for the possibility that some listeners can and will enjoy listening, believing them to be more realistic and lifelike, dispite the negative effect they actually have on the reproduction.
So it's fine, within the context of subjectivist audio to recommend or embrace a product that actually is detrimental to accurate reproduction because some listeners can and will believe it to be preferential. But on the other hand, you would accept a magazine suddenly becoming "objective" and critical, at their convenience, about a device that at the worst does absolutely nothing except allow it's listeners to believe an improvement has been made.
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- Get off it! - Don T 08:05:10 10/17/05 (1)
- Re: Get off it! - Tom Dawson 08:46:11 10/17/05 (0)
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