iml - This tweak is so incredible I was blown away.EMS - You're killing me. What proof can you provide. Any measurement?
iml - I heard it. Just try it.
EMS - You really ought to learn something about human perceptions and scientific methods. I'm always amazed at how people fall for marketing hype.
iml - There was a get together and everybody liked what they heard. I found a link that shows measurements indicating a change to the signal.
EMS - Give me a break. The schools are failing us. People are not learning basic science. Those measurements don't prove you will hear a difference. You need a carefully designed DBT to determine if these claimed signal changes are audible.
iml - When it comes to audio I don't subscribe to methods like dbt that prove all well designed amplifiers sound the same. To me there are huge differences.
EMS - You are so lost I don't know where to begin. First you need to give up the misguided notion that humans have perceptual abilities beyond what science can prove. Only then can you be enlightened. This voo-doo crap will lead us back to the dark ages.
Why it doesn't end here I don't know. iml and EMS have different beliefs. So what.Regards,
Music Machine
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Topic - Ignorant music lover vs. Educated man of science - Music Machine 10:38:27 10/14/05 (75)
- I think I should have ignored this, but I'll say something... - Silver Eared John 13:20:51 10/17/05 (2)
- You're being logical again! That won't fly here. - Pat D 07:08:58 10/18/05 (1)
- Sure as heck will fly... - Silver Eared John 15:32:56 10/18/05 (0)
- Re: Ignorant music lover vs. Educated man of science - gymwear5@hotmail.com 13:16:20 10/17/05 (0)
- There could be no Ignorant music lover without an Educated man of science nt. - Robert Hamel 09:51:01 10/17/05 (0)
- Re: Ignorant music lover vs. Educated man of science - john curl 08:56:37 10/15/05 (1)
- Einstein: "God does not play dice (with your optical discs)." - Tom Dawson 10:48:55 10/17/05 (0)
- This one's easy. - Jim Austin 08:40:25 10/15/05 (57)
- Your position above is hardly middle ground... - Silver Eared John 12:15:07 10/22/05 (0)
- Re: This one's easy. - middleground 06:55:51 10/17/05 (2)
- Your namesake is a great big dose of more than one science? (nt) - soulfood 08:24:55 10/17/05 (1)
- Retraction: I misread middleground's post. (nt) - soulfood 10:31:24 10/18/05 (0)
- This one's easy. You are clueless - D Butler 21:03:17 10/16/05 (0)
- Your synopsis is cryptic. - soulfood 21:13:03 10/15/05 (0)
- uh ha - Don T 15:12:51 10/15/05 (40)
- You've made my point for me DonT - Jim Austin 15:13:55 10/15/05 (39)
- Sorry Jim but... - Don T 22:04:13 10/15/05 (38)
- Re: Sorry Jim but... - john curl 08:57:22 10/18/05 (7)
- Re: Sorry Jim but... - rcrump 16:22:55 10/20/05 (6)
- Re: Sorry Jim but... - john curl 07:47:21 10/21/05 (2)
- Re: Let's join the Republican Party instead! (nt) - rcrump 11:22:30 10/21/05 (1)
- Woah! That's one high priced tweak! ;-) nt - Ivan303 14:09:15 10/28/05 (0)
- Re: Sorry Jim but... - soulfood 04:45:37 10/21/05 (2)
- Re: Sorry Jim but... - rcrump 11:19:37 10/21/05 (1)
- Re: Sorry Jim but... - soulfood 13:30:36 10/21/05 (0)
- Re: Sorry Jim but...'the guys who are tagging you as the scientific objectivist are the guys who are in the middle of th - Lynn 17:54:35 10/16/05 (29)
- Re: Sorry Jim but...'the guys who are tagging you as the scientific objectivist are the guys who are in the middle of th - Don T 19:45:03 10/16/05 (28)
- Re: Sorry Jim but...'the guys who are tagging you as the scientific objectivist are the guys who are in the middle of th - Lynn 21:59:26 10/16/05 (23)
- The race card? You've got to be kidding me! - Don T 23:33:22 10/16/05 (22)
- Blinded by bias ... - bjh 07:41:34 10/17/05 (17)
- Re: Blinded by bias ... - Don T 08:27:01 10/17/05 (16)
- It's OK, clearly you can't be wrong, your pseudo-intellectual bias won't allow. LOL nt - bjh 08:36:01 10/17/05 (15)
- Re: It's OK, clearly you can't be wrong, your pseudo-intellectual bias won't allow. LOL nt - john curl 13:43:50 10/18/05 (6)
- Shouldn't you be busy ... - bjh 17:29:53 10/18/05 (5)
- Re: Shouldn't you be busy ... - john curl 17:40:25 10/18/05 (4)
- I honestly never recall you asking before ... - bjh 18:02:01 10/18/05 (3)
- Re: I honestly never recall you asking before ... - john curl 18:12:16 10/18/05 (2)
- I answered! Are you daft? nt - bjh 18:14:56 10/18/05 (1)
- Re: I answered! Are you daft? nt - john curl 22:55:17 10/18/05 (0)
- Come on bjh why suddenly are you attempting to take on the subjectivist side of the argument? - Don T 13:06:20 10/17/05 (7)
- Re: Come on bjh why suddenly are you attempting to take on the subjectivist side of the argument? - morricab 01:52:57 10/20/05 (2)
- Ok I read it - Don T 21:45:04 10/20/05 (1)
- Re: Ok I read it - morricab 05:10:56 10/24/05 (0)
- Oh was I something other than subjectivist ... - bjh 13:54:17 10/17/05 (3)
- LOL! The race card again? - Don T 19:51:28 10/17/05 (2)
- For my last words I'll defer to a master, after which, suit yourself ... - bjh 20:02:11 10/17/05 (1)
- What you got a headache? nt - Don T 20:08:46 10/17/05 (0)
- What??? The race card? Who brought that up? - Lynn 07:15:01 10/17/05 (3)
- Get off it! - Don T 08:05:10 10/17/05 (1)
- Re: Get off it! - Tom Dawson 08:46:11 10/17/05 (0)
- Agreed! - bjh 07:54:15 10/17/05 (0)
- Give an inch, takes a pulpit! (does that mean threat to cancel subscription is on again, never quite sure!) nt - bjh 20:30:23 10/16/05 (3)
- interesting? - Don T 21:49:34 10/16/05 (2)
- Sorry about that should have said ... - bjh 23:12:21 10/16/05 (1)
- . - Don T 23:54:00 10/16/05 (0)
- Actually ... - bjh 11:53:19 10/15/05 (9)
- "Who cares what JC has to say about anything?" - Wellfed 16:28:26 10/15/05 (8)
- Re: "Who cares what JC has to say about anything?" - bjh 17:32:09 10/15/05 (7)
- Re: "Who cares what JC has to say about anything?" - rcrump 13:54:52 10/17/05 (2)
- The fact that you are a Distinguished Invitee here on the AA, - bjh 15:23:54 10/17/05 (1)
- Re: BJH, you are an idiot and a troll and just not worth - rcrump 08:23:03 10/18/05 (0)
- Just an honest attempt... - Wellfed 18:00:28 10/15/05 (3)
- Re: Just an honest attempt... - bjh 18:06:32 10/15/05 (2)
- We were born before the wind... - Wellfed 22:21:02 10/16/05 (1)
- I feign surprise. :) nt - bjh 23:16:21 10/16/05 (0)
- Meaningless scenario - anyone can post a phony biased conversation - Caymus 15:14:18 10/14/05 (2)
- In your case the point is.... - Music Machine 16:47:30 10/14/05 (1)
- He finds such expression to be cathartic? [nt] - Wellfed 21:43:24 10/14/05 (0)
- A creative moderate perspective. Is the bias intentional? (nt) - soulfood 11:36:15 10/14/05 (5)
- Yeah, I'm biased - Music Machine 12:51:07 10/14/05 (4)
- Working toward a GUT of audio objectivism and subjectivism - Tom Dawson 15:35:03 10/14/05 (0)
- I am iml... - Wellfed 14:44:23 10/14/05 (2)
- Well ... - bjh 15:43:35 10/14/05 (1)
- Well, that is one way to view the matter... - Wellfed 20:09:21 10/14/05 (0)
- At first.. - jneutron 11:22:20 10/14/05 (0)