In Reply to: Ignorant music lover vs. Educated man of science posted by Music Machine on October 14, 2005 at 10:38:27:
I'm trying to post less, but this one I can't resist.The issue is that many of us are taking a middle ground, with a skeptical, reasonable confidence in both science and our own subjective experiences. And as we do so, some people are always trying to shove us out of the middle, to one extreme or the other. In recent months on this forum I've been lumped with the scientific objectivists (by bjh, john curl, charles hansen, etc.) and with the radical subjectivists (I don't remember by whom, but it was because I dared to question the efficacy of double-blind testing).
What's especially interesting about the preceeding post is its insistence on preserving a dichotomy. "Stop trying to find common ground," the poster is saying, in effect. "Just accept that people are different."
And the reason for this is clear: it's because the extreme subjectivist perspective is insupportable against a moderate perspective: you have to envision your "opponent" (if you will) as being on the other extreme. It's only in contrast to the other extreme position that either extreme position seems reasonable. I think they call it a straw man. FWIW, despite the obvious preference for one perspective stated in this post, BOTH points of view described here, EMS and iml, are caricatures, even if the poster relates to one of them, as seems to be the case.
Jim Austin
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Follow Ups
- This one's easy. - Jim Austin 08:40:25 10/15/05 (57)
- Your position above is hardly middle ground... - Silver Eared John 12:15:07 10/22/05 (0)
- Re: This one's easy. - middleground 06:55:51 10/17/05 (2)
- Your namesake is a great big dose of more than one science? (nt) - soulfood 08:24:55 10/17/05 (1)
- Retraction: I misread middleground's post. (nt) - soulfood 10:31:24 10/18/05 (0)
- This one's easy. You are clueless - D Butler 21:03:17 10/16/05 (0)
- Your synopsis is cryptic. - soulfood 21:13:03 10/15/05 (0)
- uh ha - Don T 15:12:51 10/15/05 (40)
- You've made my point for me DonT - Jim Austin 15:13:55 10/15/05 (39)
- Sorry Jim but... - Don T 22:04:13 10/15/05 (38)
- Re: Sorry Jim but... - john curl 08:57:22 10/18/05 (7)
- Re: Sorry Jim but... - rcrump 16:22:55 10/20/05 (6)
- Re: Sorry Jim but... - john curl 07:47:21 10/21/05 (2)
- Re: Let's join the Republican Party instead! (nt) - rcrump 11:22:30 10/21/05 (1)
- Woah! That's one high priced tweak! ;-) nt - Ivan303 14:09:15 10/28/05 (0)
- Re: Sorry Jim but... - soulfood 04:45:37 10/21/05 (2)
- Re: Sorry Jim but... - rcrump 11:19:37 10/21/05 (1)
- Re: Sorry Jim but... - soulfood 13:30:36 10/21/05 (0)
- Re: Sorry Jim but...'the guys who are tagging you as the scientific objectivist are the guys who are in the middle of th - Lynn 17:54:35 10/16/05 (29)
- Re: Sorry Jim but...'the guys who are tagging you as the scientific objectivist are the guys who are in the middle of th - Don T 19:45:03 10/16/05 (28)
- Re: Sorry Jim but...'the guys who are tagging you as the scientific objectivist are the guys who are in the middle of th - Lynn 21:59:26 10/16/05 (23)
- The race card? You've got to be kidding me! - Don T 23:33:22 10/16/05 (22)
- Blinded by bias ... - bjh 07:41:34 10/17/05 (17)
- Re: Blinded by bias ... - Don T 08:27:01 10/17/05 (16)
- It's OK, clearly you can't be wrong, your pseudo-intellectual bias won't allow. LOL nt - bjh 08:36:01 10/17/05 (15)
- Re: It's OK, clearly you can't be wrong, your pseudo-intellectual bias won't allow. LOL nt - john curl 13:43:50 10/18/05 (6)
- Shouldn't you be busy ... - bjh 17:29:53 10/18/05 (5)
- Re: Shouldn't you be busy ... - john curl 17:40:25 10/18/05 (4)
- I honestly never recall you asking before ... - bjh 18:02:01 10/18/05 (3)
- Re: I honestly never recall you asking before ... - john curl 18:12:16 10/18/05 (2)
- I answered! Are you daft? nt - bjh 18:14:56 10/18/05 (1)
- Re: I answered! Are you daft? nt - john curl 22:55:17 10/18/05 (0)
- Come on bjh why suddenly are you attempting to take on the subjectivist side of the argument? - Don T 13:06:20 10/17/05 (7)
- Re: Come on bjh why suddenly are you attempting to take on the subjectivist side of the argument? - morricab 01:52:57 10/20/05 (2)
- Ok I read it - Don T 21:45:04 10/20/05 (1)
- Re: Ok I read it - morricab 05:10:56 10/24/05 (0)
- Oh was I something other than subjectivist ... - bjh 13:54:17 10/17/05 (3)
- LOL! The race card again? - Don T 19:51:28 10/17/05 (2)
- For my last words I'll defer to a master, after which, suit yourself ... - bjh 20:02:11 10/17/05 (1)
- What you got a headache? nt - Don T 20:08:46 10/17/05 (0)
- What??? The race card? Who brought that up? - Lynn 07:15:01 10/17/05 (3)
- Get off it! - Don T 08:05:10 10/17/05 (1)
- Re: Get off it! - Tom Dawson 08:46:11 10/17/05 (0)
- Agreed! - bjh 07:54:15 10/17/05 (0)
- Give an inch, takes a pulpit! (does that mean threat to cancel subscription is on again, never quite sure!) nt - bjh 20:30:23 10/16/05 (3)
- interesting? - Don T 21:49:34 10/16/05 (2)
- Sorry about that should have said ... - bjh 23:12:21 10/16/05 (1)
- . - Don T 23:54:00 10/16/05 (0)
- Actually ... - bjh 11:53:19 10/15/05 (9)
- "Who cares what JC has to say about anything?" - Wellfed 16:28:26 10/15/05 (8)
- Re: "Who cares what JC has to say about anything?" - bjh 17:32:09 10/15/05 (7)
- Re: "Who cares what JC has to say about anything?" - rcrump 13:54:52 10/17/05 (2)
- The fact that you are a Distinguished Invitee here on the AA, - bjh 15:23:54 10/17/05 (1)
- Re: BJH, you are an idiot and a troll and just not worth - rcrump 08:23:03 10/18/05 (0)
- Just an honest attempt... - Wellfed 18:00:28 10/15/05 (3)
- Re: Just an honest attempt... - bjh 18:06:32 10/15/05 (2)
- We were born before the wind... - Wellfed 22:21:02 10/16/05 (1)
- I feign surprise. :) nt - bjh 23:16:21 10/16/05 (0)