In Reply to: Re: Frustration posted by middleground on January 16, 2004 at 07:16:17:
And I have no problem with the fun side of audio. See link below. Nor, I hope, would I ever be so presumptious as to question the means employed by a successful designer such as John Curl to achieve the results he is aiming for. Nor would I hope would anyone question me because virtually every equipment and cable decision I have ever made has been based on my own subjective, sighted auditioning.It is when someone publicly makes a claim, the validity of which can only be verified scientifically, and then refuses to engage in reasonable, science-oriented discussion of that claim (including addressing all legitimate questions and critiques raised in response to that claim) that I start to feel I'd be better off watching mud wrestling on TV.
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Follow Ups Full ThreadTopic - Frustration - Phil Tower 08:47:54 01/14/04 (115)
- We Must Accept Our Differences!! - Todd Krieger 18:01:35 01/16/04 (2)
- Watch your step, Krieger... - Steve Eddy 18:16:21 01/16/04 (1)
- New Diet Aid... - Todd Krieger 22:09:17 01/16/04 (0)
- Re: Frustration - middleground 07:16:17 01/16/04 (14)
- Re: Frustration - Phil Tower 11:30:55 01/16/04 (0)
- "Very few believe that science is relevant to audio" - Robert Hamel 09:17:36 01/16/04 (12)
- Re: "Very few believe that science is relevant to audio" - chris_w 16:11:58 01/18/04 (0)
- "Without good engineering/science basics you just can't get there meaning decent sound." LOL! - clarkjohnsen 00:23:22 01/17/04 (8)
- Yes and I stand by it we are talking reproduction through electronic media. Go read the posts next time. nt - Robert Hamel 19:10:03 01/17/04 (6)
- Oh, sorry. I didn't read the posts, huh? Boy, you sure are smart... Much smarter than most everyone... nt - clarkjohnsen 18:09:06 01/18/04 (5)
- Thanks nt. - Robert Hamel 19:37:53 01/18/04 (4)
- Can I have your autograph? (nt) - Richard BassNut Greene 10:33:46 01/20/04 (3)
- Rob...Send him.....THE PICTURE (nt) - jneutron 11:12:28 01/20/04 (2)
- I didn't realize you had such a mean streak! nt. - Robert Hamel 12:04:19 01/21/04 (1)
- must be the balls in the basement...but dey ain't brass nt - jneutron 12:57:24 01/21/04 (0)
- Re: "Without good engineering/science basics you just can't get there meaning decent sound." LOL! - Dan Banquer 04:22:30 01/17/04 (0)
- Absolutely! - Commuteman 10:33:02 01/16/04 (0)
- Re: "Very few believe that science is relevant to audio" - Dan Banquer 09:39:24 01/16/04 (0)
- Reality can be painful -- that's why golden ears don't want reality - Richard BassNut Greene 11:14:14 01/15/04 (54)
- We Need a Little Entertainment Around Here... - Todd Krieger 12:33:57 01/15/04 (2)
- Entertainment? Audio is too important -- these are very important "life or death" debates here ! - Richard BassNut Greene 12:53:25 01/15/04 (1)
- LOL!! <nt> - Todd Krieger 12:55:38 01/15/04 (0)
- You've got the wrong villains - Commuteman 12:28:47 01/15/04 (32)
- Re: You've got the wrong villains - middleground 07:21:19 01/16/04 (7)
- It's not a case of 2 wrongs... - Commuteman 10:27:54 01/16/04 (6)
- Re: It's not a case of 2 wrongs... - middleground 13:25:28 01/16/04 (5)
- and... - Commuteman 14:41:10 01/16/04 (4)
- Re: and... - middleground 18:47:39 01/19/04 (2)
- Your post suggestions the analogy was perfect... - Commuteman 10:33:41 01/20/04 (1)
- Car and tire analogies have nothing to do with audio - Richard BassNut Greene 10:41:12 01/20/04 (0)
- The Ferrari a ripoff. No question about it. Dealers ought to be jailed. nt - clarkjohnsen 00:27:02 01/17/04 (0)
- Thank you for agreeing with me and expanding on my point - Richard BassNut Greene 12:36:24 01/15/04 (23)
- I don't think we agree at all. - Commuteman 14:43:12 01/15/04 (2)
- Agree with me now ... it will save so much time - Richard BassNut Greene 10:41:34 01/16/04 (1)
- OK, I agree with (almost) everything in this post! - Commuteman 10:54:53 01/16/04 (0)
- Re: Thank you for agreeing with me and expanding on my point - Phil Tower 14:18:09 01/15/04 (19)
- You imply small "Mom & Pop" audio businesses are good ... and big corporations are bad ? - Richard BassNut Greene 10:13:27 01/16/04 (18)
- Re: You imply small "Mom & Pop" audio businesses are good ... and big corporations are bad ? - Phil Tower 11:22:23 01/16/04 (17)
- Another classic PCTower line ... - Richard BassNut Greene 13:06:51 01/17/04 (16)
- Re: Another classic PCTower line ... - Phil Tower 08:26:10 01/20/04 (15)
- You're drunk ... - Richard BassNut Greene 10:32:49 01/20/04 (14)
- Re: You're drunk ... - Phil Tower 11:07:56 01/20/04 (13)
- So life in Iraq is better than ever because you believe that is so and all reports from Iraq that disagree must be lies - Richard BassNut Greene 13:37:04 01/20/04 (12)
- Re: So life in Iraq is better than ever because you believe that is so and all reports from Iraq that disagree must be l - Phil Tower 14:44:54 01/20/04 (11)
- Don't let the absence of knowledge get in the way of your (jumping to) conclusions - Richard BassNut Greene 17:28:31 01/20/04 (10)
- And Richard, isn't it sad.... - Phil Tower 17:55:14 01/20/04 (2)
- Re: And Richard, isn't it sad.... - jneutron 09:00:33 01/21/04 (0)
- inspired dialog? ... or just two lunatics ranting and raving about everything? (nt) - Richard BassNut Greene 19:15:00 01/20/04 (0)
- Oh, and by the way... - Phil Tower 17:53:00 01/20/04 (2)
- Re: Oh, and by the way... - Richard BassNut Greene 18:48:26 01/20/04 (1)
- Re: Oh, and by the way... - Phil Tower 08:22:51 01/21/04 (0)
- Re: Don't let the absence of knowledge get in the way of your (jumping to) conclusions - Phil Tower 17:38:19 01/20/04 (3)
- you don't even know who conducted DBT's yet accuse them of "sloppy and wreckless science" (did you mean "reckless"?) - Richard BassNut Greene 19:10:06 01/20/04 (2)
- Re: you don't even know who conducted DBT's yet accuse them of "sloppy and wreckless science" (did you mean "reckless"? - Phil Tower 01:14:15 01/21/04 (1)
- Geez PC do I have to explain EVERYTHING to you ? - Richard BassNut Greene 09:09:58 01/21/04 (0)
- Re: Reality can be painful -- that's why golden ears don't want reality - Phil Tower 11:23:32 01/15/04 (17)
- Re: Reality can be painful -- that's why golden ears don't want reality - middleground 07:24:17 01/16/04 (2)
- Re: Reality can be painful -- that's why golden ears don't want reality - Phil Tower 12:29:17 01/16/04 (1)
- Re: Reality can be painful -- that's why golden ears don't want reality - middleground 13:56:16 01/16/04 (0)
- You've proved my point - audio IS a business - Richard BassNut Greene 12:29:06 01/15/04 (13)
- Re: You've proved my point - audio IS a business - Phil Tower 14:05:51 01/15/04 (12)
- Re: You've proved my point - audio IS a business - Norm Strong 20:26:50 01/15/04 (11)
- Re: You've proved my point - audio IS a business - Phil Tower 03:06:14 01/16/04 (10)
- I have NO proof; none whatsoever - Norm Strong 22:11:38 01/16/04 (1)
- Re: I have NO proof; none whatsoever - Phil Tower 09:45:16 01/17/04 (0)
- Re: You've proved my point - audio IS a business - Dan Banquer 09:47:31 01/16/04 (7)
- Re: You've proved my point - audio IS a business - Steve Eddy 11:58:47 01/16/04 (4)
- Re: You've proved my point - audio IS a business - Dan Banquer 13:49:48 01/16/04 (3)
- Re: You've proved my point - audio IS a business - Steve Eddy 14:04:41 01/16/04 (2)
- Re: You've proved my point - audio IS a business - Dan Banquer 11:39:03 01/17/04 (1)
- Re: You've proved my point - audio IS a business - Steve Eddy 13:41:06 01/17/04 (0)
- Re: You've proved my point - audio IS a business - Phil Tower 11:48:21 01/16/04 (1)
- Re: You've proved my point - audio IS a business - Dan Banquer 13:54:15 01/16/04 (0)
- It's become polarized -- here's a suggestion - Commuteman 11:42:35 01/14/04 (17)
- Hi Peter..and everybody else.. - jneutron 10:11:29 01/15/04 (12)
- Hmmm..... - Commuteman 12:04:41 01/15/04 (11)
- Re: Hmmm..... - Steve Eddy 16:35:45 01/15/04 (4)
- True enough (sort of) - Commuteman 16:57:40 01/15/04 (3)
- Re: True enough (sort of) - Steve Eddy 20:10:30 01/15/04 (2)
- Cap sequence - Commuteman 21:21:08 01/15/04 (1)
- Re: Cap sequence - Steve Eddy 21:43:14 01/15/04 (0)
- Re: Hmmm..... - jneutron 12:57:14 01/15/04 (5)
- That WAS a challenging post to type (and this one's even longer...) - Commuteman 14:04:36 01/15/04 (4)
- "We are all in one of 3 groups" -- But not me ... I'm in group 4: - Richard BassNut Greene 14:28:42 01/20/04 (0)
- Questions not well-defined. - Pat D 08:43:52 01/16/04 (1)
- You're right that no person is 100% in any category - Commuteman 10:39:48 01/16/04 (0)
- Yah...know what you mean... - jneutron 06:33:30 01/16/04 (0)
- Amen Brother - Phil Tower 12:42:50 01/14/04 (3)
- Huh? - Commuteman 13:18:55 01/14/04 (2)
- Re: Huh? - Phil Tower 13:21:56 01/14/04 (1)
- And it hurts when you fall off...nt - Commuteman 13:33:37 01/14/04 (0)
- Me too. - Robert Hamel 10:15:08 01/14/04 (23)
- Re: Me too. - Phil Tower 10:44:11 01/14/04 (1)
- And Me TOO - chris_w 10:58:21 01/14/04 (0)
- okay, but.... - FLZapped 10:19:37 01/14/04 (20)
- Re: okay, but.... - Ted Smith 10:33:09 01/14/04 (19)
- Re: okay, but.... - FLZapped 13:56:13 01/14/04 (6)
- Re: okay, but.... - Ted Smith 14:18:24 01/14/04 (5)
- Re: okay, but.... - jneutron 10:27:13 01/15/04 (3)
- Re: okay, but.... - Ted Smith 10:50:54 01/15/04 (2)
- Re: okay, but.... - jneutron 12:06:53 01/15/04 (1)
- Re: okay, but.... - Ted Smith 12:13:10 01/15/04 (0)
- Re: okay, but.... - FLZapped 09:35:43 01/15/04 (0)
- I propose a contest. - Phil Tower 12:58:50 01/14/04 (11)
- Phil Tower instigates "audio wars" among others ... and then takes the high ground and proposes a truce? - Richard BassNut Greene 11:29:28 01/15/04 (10)
- Re: Phil Tower instigates "audio wars" among others ... and then takes the high ground and proposes a truce? - Phil Tower 14:11:20 01/15/04 (9)
- Did you hire a lawyer to write your post? - Richard BassNut Greene 11:02:52 01/16/04 (5)
- Re: Did you hire a lawyer to write your post? - Phil Tower 11:17:03 01/16/04 (2)
- You've reached a level of maturity most subjective audiophiles should strive for - Richard BassNut Greene 13:31:27 01/17/04 (1)
- Re: You've reached a level of maturity most subjective audiophiles should strive for - Phil Tower 08:26:03 01/18/04 (0)
- I think he is one. (nt) - biggerdog 11:09:10 01/16/04 (1)
- I should have known ... - Richard BassNut Greene 13:49:29 01/17/04 (0)
- But you feel others need your advice on what to post? - Pat D 08:52:09 01/16/04 (2)
- Re: But you feel others need your advice on what to post? - Phil Tower 12:10:16 01/16/04 (1)
- Who's this Richard guy? - Richard BassNut Greene 13:43:16 01/17/04 (0)
Follow Ups
- Re: Frustration - Phil Tower 11:30:55 01/16/04 (0)