In response to a post by Steve Eddy, I posted the following under the contorted thread that got moved over from Tweaks. But I am concerned it will get lost in that maze and I feel strongly enough about what I'm saying that I'm going to start a new thread with what I said in that post:"Jon's refusal to discuss specifics whenever his pronouncements are challenged, his incessant, mind-numbing yeasayer/naysayer claptrap, his repeated use of objectionable language, his repeated personal attacks in violation of Asylum rules, and his abuse of power by threatening to ban, and banning, those who take his unsupported theories to task have, in my opinion, seriously contaminated and undermined the Asylum.
Unfortunately, few speak up. Apparently, many prefer technical discussions of audio issues to be more like attendance at church (where one’s beliefs can be reinforced) and less like attendance at a science class (where objective verifiable truth is the goal).
Don’t get me wrong. I attend church regularly to nurture my spiritual side. But I think I have a pretty good handle on where to draw the line between spiritual beliefs and matters and issues of scientific objectivity. When I read technical discussions on AA I want to read posts that are seeking the truth rather than demonstrating how many different obnoxious and offensive techniques a person can employ to promote his own personal agenda and beliefs."I'm just a layperson wanting to learn a little about audio from technically qualified people. Is it asking too much to want something to be done here at the Asylum to put an end to the counter-productive behavior that seems to thwart productive technical discussions at every turn?
I don't give one hoot about yeasayers and naysayers. I do care about spirited and informed debate over theories, proof and substantiation - you know - all that scientific method stuff as applied to audio. Sadly, I feel I'm in the very small minority of Inmates.
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Topic - Frustration - Phil Tower 08:47:54 01/14/04 (115)
- We Must Accept Our Differences!! - Todd Krieger 18:01:35 01/16/04 (2)
- Watch your step, Krieger... - Steve Eddy 18:16:21 01/16/04 (1)
- New Diet Aid... - Todd Krieger 22:09:17 01/16/04 (0)
- Re: Frustration - middleground 07:16:17 01/16/04 (14)
- Re: Frustration - Phil Tower 11:30:55 01/16/04 (0)
- "Very few believe that science is relevant to audio" - Robert Hamel 09:17:36 01/16/04 (12)
- Re: "Very few believe that science is relevant to audio" - chris_w 16:11:58 01/18/04 (0)
- "Without good engineering/science basics you just can't get there meaning decent sound." LOL! - clarkjohnsen 00:23:22 01/17/04 (8)
- Yes and I stand by it we are talking reproduction through electronic media. Go read the posts next time. nt - Robert Hamel 19:10:03 01/17/04 (6)
- Oh, sorry. I didn't read the posts, huh? Boy, you sure are smart... Much smarter than most everyone... nt - clarkjohnsen 18:09:06 01/18/04 (5)
- Thanks nt. - Robert Hamel 19:37:53 01/18/04 (4)
- Can I have your autograph? (nt) - Richard BassNut Greene 10:33:46 01/20/04 (3)
- Rob...Send him.....THE PICTURE (nt) - jneutron 11:12:28 01/20/04 (2)
- I didn't realize you had such a mean streak! nt. - Robert Hamel 12:04:19 01/21/04 (1)
- must be the balls in the basement...but dey ain't brass nt - jneutron 12:57:24 01/21/04 (0)
- Re: "Without good engineering/science basics you just can't get there meaning decent sound." LOL! - Dan Banquer 04:22:30 01/17/04 (0)
- Absolutely! - Commuteman 10:33:02 01/16/04 (0)
- Re: "Very few believe that science is relevant to audio" - Dan Banquer 09:39:24 01/16/04 (0)
- Reality can be painful -- that's why golden ears don't want reality - Richard BassNut Greene 11:14:14 01/15/04 (54)
- We Need a Little Entertainment Around Here... - Todd Krieger 12:33:57 01/15/04 (2)
- Entertainment? Audio is too important -- these are very important "life or death" debates here ! - Richard BassNut Greene 12:53:25 01/15/04 (1)
- LOL!! <nt> - Todd Krieger 12:55:38 01/15/04 (0)
- You've got the wrong villains - Commuteman 12:28:47 01/15/04 (32)
- Re: You've got the wrong villains - middleground 07:21:19 01/16/04 (7)
- It's not a case of 2 wrongs... - Commuteman 10:27:54 01/16/04 (6)
- Re: It's not a case of 2 wrongs... - middleground 13:25:28 01/16/04 (5)
- and... - Commuteman 14:41:10 01/16/04 (4)
- Re: and... - middleground 18:47:39 01/19/04 (2)
- Your post suggestions the analogy was perfect... - Commuteman 10:33:41 01/20/04 (1)
- Car and tire analogies have nothing to do with audio - Richard BassNut Greene 10:41:12 01/20/04 (0)
- The Ferrari a ripoff. No question about it. Dealers ought to be jailed. nt - clarkjohnsen 00:27:02 01/17/04 (0)
- Thank you for agreeing with me and expanding on my point - Richard BassNut Greene 12:36:24 01/15/04 (23)
- I don't think we agree at all. - Commuteman 14:43:12 01/15/04 (2)
- Agree with me now ... it will save so much time - Richard BassNut Greene 10:41:34 01/16/04 (1)
- OK, I agree with (almost) everything in this post! - Commuteman 10:54:53 01/16/04 (0)
- Re: Thank you for agreeing with me and expanding on my point - Phil Tower 14:18:09 01/15/04 (19)
- You imply small "Mom & Pop" audio businesses are good ... and big corporations are bad ? - Richard BassNut Greene 10:13:27 01/16/04 (18)
- Re: You imply small "Mom & Pop" audio businesses are good ... and big corporations are bad ? - Phil Tower 11:22:23 01/16/04 (17)
- Another classic PCTower line ... - Richard BassNut Greene 13:06:51 01/17/04 (16)
- Re: Another classic PCTower line ... - Phil Tower 08:26:10 01/20/04 (15)
- You're drunk ... - Richard BassNut Greene 10:32:49 01/20/04 (14)
- Re: You're drunk ... - Phil Tower 11:07:56 01/20/04 (13)
- So life in Iraq is better than ever because you believe that is so and all reports from Iraq that disagree must be lies - Richard BassNut Greene 13:37:04 01/20/04 (12)
- Re: So life in Iraq is better than ever because you believe that is so and all reports from Iraq that disagree must be l - Phil Tower 14:44:54 01/20/04 (11)
- Don't let the absence of knowledge get in the way of your (jumping to) conclusions - Richard BassNut Greene 17:28:31 01/20/04 (10)
- And Richard, isn't it sad.... - Phil Tower 17:55:14 01/20/04 (2)
- Re: And Richard, isn't it sad.... - jneutron 09:00:33 01/21/04 (0)
- inspired dialog? ... or just two lunatics ranting and raving about everything? (nt) - Richard BassNut Greene 19:15:00 01/20/04 (0)
- Oh, and by the way... - Phil Tower 17:53:00 01/20/04 (2)
- Re: Oh, and by the way... - Richard BassNut Greene 18:48:26 01/20/04 (1)
- Re: Oh, and by the way... - Phil Tower 08:22:51 01/21/04 (0)
- Re: Don't let the absence of knowledge get in the way of your (jumping to) conclusions - Phil Tower 17:38:19 01/20/04 (3)
- you don't even know who conducted DBT's yet accuse them of "sloppy and wreckless science" (did you mean "reckless"?) - Richard BassNut Greene 19:10:06 01/20/04 (2)
- Re: you don't even know who conducted DBT's yet accuse them of "sloppy and wreckless science" (did you mean "reckless"? - Phil Tower 01:14:15 01/21/04 (1)
- Geez PC do I have to explain EVERYTHING to you ? - Richard BassNut Greene 09:09:58 01/21/04 (0)
- Re: Reality can be painful -- that's why golden ears don't want reality - Phil Tower 11:23:32 01/15/04 (17)
- Re: Reality can be painful -- that's why golden ears don't want reality - middleground 07:24:17 01/16/04 (2)
- Re: Reality can be painful -- that's why golden ears don't want reality - Phil Tower 12:29:17 01/16/04 (1)
- Re: Reality can be painful -- that's why golden ears don't want reality - middleground 13:56:16 01/16/04 (0)
- You've proved my point - audio IS a business - Richard BassNut Greene 12:29:06 01/15/04 (13)
- Re: You've proved my point - audio IS a business - Phil Tower 14:05:51 01/15/04 (12)
- Re: You've proved my point - audio IS a business - Norm Strong 20:26:50 01/15/04 (11)
- Re: You've proved my point - audio IS a business - Phil Tower 03:06:14 01/16/04 (10)
- I have NO proof; none whatsoever - Norm Strong 22:11:38 01/16/04 (1)
- Re: I have NO proof; none whatsoever - Phil Tower 09:45:16 01/17/04 (0)
- Re: You've proved my point - audio IS a business - Dan Banquer 09:47:31 01/16/04 (7)
- Re: You've proved my point - audio IS a business - Steve Eddy 11:58:47 01/16/04 (4)
- Re: You've proved my point - audio IS a business - Dan Banquer 13:49:48 01/16/04 (3)
- Re: You've proved my point - audio IS a business - Steve Eddy 14:04:41 01/16/04 (2)
- Re: You've proved my point - audio IS a business - Dan Banquer 11:39:03 01/17/04 (1)
- Re: You've proved my point - audio IS a business - Steve Eddy 13:41:06 01/17/04 (0)
- Re: You've proved my point - audio IS a business - Phil Tower 11:48:21 01/16/04 (1)
- Re: You've proved my point - audio IS a business - Dan Banquer 13:54:15 01/16/04 (0)
- It's become polarized -- here's a suggestion - Commuteman 11:42:35 01/14/04 (17)
- Hi Peter..and everybody else.. - jneutron 10:11:29 01/15/04 (12)
- Hmmm..... - Commuteman 12:04:41 01/15/04 (11)
- Re: Hmmm..... - Steve Eddy 16:35:45 01/15/04 (4)
- True enough (sort of) - Commuteman 16:57:40 01/15/04 (3)
- Re: True enough (sort of) - Steve Eddy 20:10:30 01/15/04 (2)
- Cap sequence - Commuteman 21:21:08 01/15/04 (1)
- Re: Cap sequence - Steve Eddy 21:43:14 01/15/04 (0)
- Re: Hmmm..... - jneutron 12:57:14 01/15/04 (5)
- That WAS a challenging post to type (and this one's even longer...) - Commuteman 14:04:36 01/15/04 (4)
- "We are all in one of 3 groups" -- But not me ... I'm in group 4: - Richard BassNut Greene 14:28:42 01/20/04 (0)
- Questions not well-defined. - Pat D 08:43:52 01/16/04 (1)
- You're right that no person is 100% in any category - Commuteman 10:39:48 01/16/04 (0)
- Yah...know what you mean... - jneutron 06:33:30 01/16/04 (0)
- Amen Brother - Phil Tower 12:42:50 01/14/04 (3)
- Huh? - Commuteman 13:18:55 01/14/04 (2)
- Re: Huh? - Phil Tower 13:21:56 01/14/04 (1)
- And it hurts when you fall off...nt - Commuteman 13:33:37 01/14/04 (0)
- Me too. - Robert Hamel 10:15:08 01/14/04 (23)
- Re: Me too. - Phil Tower 10:44:11 01/14/04 (1)
- And Me TOO - chris_w 10:58:21 01/14/04 (0)
- okay, but.... - FLZapped 10:19:37 01/14/04 (20)
- Re: okay, but.... - Ted Smith 10:33:09 01/14/04 (19)
- Re: okay, but.... - FLZapped 13:56:13 01/14/04 (6)
- Re: okay, but.... - Ted Smith 14:18:24 01/14/04 (5)
- Re: okay, but.... - jneutron 10:27:13 01/15/04 (3)
- Re: okay, but.... - Ted Smith 10:50:54 01/15/04 (2)
- Re: okay, but.... - jneutron 12:06:53 01/15/04 (1)
- Re: okay, but.... - Ted Smith 12:13:10 01/15/04 (0)
- Re: okay, but.... - FLZapped 09:35:43 01/15/04 (0)
- I propose a contest. - Phil Tower 12:58:50 01/14/04 (11)
- Phil Tower instigates "audio wars" among others ... and then takes the high ground and proposes a truce? - Richard BassNut Greene 11:29:28 01/15/04 (10)
- Re: Phil Tower instigates "audio wars" among others ... and then takes the high ground and proposes a truce? - Phil Tower 14:11:20 01/15/04 (9)
- Did you hire a lawyer to write your post? - Richard BassNut Greene 11:02:52 01/16/04 (5)
- Re: Did you hire a lawyer to write your post? - Phil Tower 11:17:03 01/16/04 (2)
- You've reached a level of maturity most subjective audiophiles should strive for - Richard BassNut Greene 13:31:27 01/17/04 (1)
- Re: You've reached a level of maturity most subjective audiophiles should strive for - Phil Tower 08:26:03 01/18/04 (0)
- I think he is one. (nt) - biggerdog 11:09:10 01/16/04 (1)
- I should have known ... - Richard BassNut Greene 13:49:29 01/17/04 (0)
- But you feel others need your advice on what to post? - Pat D 08:52:09 01/16/04 (2)
- Re: But you feel others need your advice on what to post? - Phil Tower 12:10:16 01/16/04 (1)
- Who's this Richard guy? - Richard BassNut Greene 13:43:16 01/17/04 (0)