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In Reply to: Re: on the other hand...... posted by morricab on January 24, 2007 at 05:05:55:
First, as I said in my disclaimer I am not really criticizing or disagreeing with the content of your original post. My main point was that the language used to present it was such that it would be fairly easy to start to nit-pick on a bunch of points, which IMHO is how the endless arguments in this type of forum begin.However, I will take some issue with this:
"Sorry but since you don't go to live events you can't really comment on the validity of someones choice compared to live music. It is relatively easy to hear how successful some was in translating what they hear live to what they are getting at home. Many are not even close, which suggests they don't translate the experience well, don't have the resources or space to do so, or don't care enough to do so"The problem is that you're failing to account for both individual subjective variations from person to person, and for the difference in presentation of different musical genres.
On the first point, it's entirely possible that something that sounds very much like live to one person does not for another, as they simply hear things differently. In some cases this may simply be a 'training' phenemona (eg haven't learned to listen to spatial presentation), but in others it may be physiological - we simply hear differently and have different preferences surrounding those perceptions. The different system 'philosophies' subscribe to by different groups of audiophiles should make this pretty clear. I think you'll probably find as many folks that *swear* that a full-range driver in a BLH is *far* more realistic than a planar as would *swear* that the opposite is true.On the second point, completely unamplified music (pretty much limted to 'classical' and opera, and sometimes not even then) is a different experience from amplified live music. The overwhelming majority of content out there is of the 'amplified' variety, and so the live reference changes radically IMHO. Your point about recording an solo violin is interesting and valid, but for people that don't primarily listen to such material it's also largely tangential.
As a concrete example, someone that listens primarily to jazz and uses live jazz (generally amplified, but not always) as a reference will likely be far more attuned to elements like dynamics and attack on drum and sax than say someone that listens to small-scale chamber music. Furthermore, the small-venue jazz gig is influenced by the venue far differently than say an orchestra in a large concert hall. A system 'optimized' to capture the dynamic properties of a live jazz performance will likely sound rather different than for chamber music. Full-scale orchestral would probably have a somewhat different set of trade-offs again.And this doesn't even touch on what it means to try do reproduce a Grateful Dead show at Red Rocks.....
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