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In Reply to: Re: How Can YOU Be Sure About Anything In Audio? posted by morricab on January 17, 2007 at 15:43:27:
Hi Morricab!I agree that going to live unamplified concerts as much as possible is the best way to obtain a frame of reference. I'm sorry if I've somehow mislead people here about my disability. I'm not yet wheelchair bound as Unsoundmind and AJinFLA tell people. Unfortunately the day will someday arrive, but hopefully later than sooner. It's true I live in horrible pain on a daily basis, but I can and do attend live concerts, albeit somewhat medicated.
WLOQ here in Orlando has many free outdoor Jazz concerts from spring to fall and I attend as many of those as I possibly can. I also attend symphonies at the Bob Carr performing arts center here in Orlando as well. In addition to that I play acoustic guitar, so I have what I believe is a decent idea of what live music sounds like.
My post was mainly a crack at those who wish to argue and not learn. But also for those who believe DBTs are the "ONLY" way, I tried to present an alternative method that can help eliminate some biases, by using different rooms, different components, different wires and different ears as a means of aiding your subjective listening.
In the end however it usually boils down to what is your main criteria in assemblying an audio system.
1) If your end criteria is getting as close to live unamplified music as you possibly can achieve, then attending many live unamplified concerts is your best means for obtaining a good frame of reference. You could also use my suggested method here if you know your friends also attend live unamplified concerts, you believe their systems sound like live music and you want another pair of ears to confirm what you believe you're hearing. But my method should ONLY be used if you also attend live unamplified concerts and ONLY as a means of confirming what you (hopefully) already know for yourself.
2) If your end criteria is to have a system whose sound you like. Whether this is based on what you believe live unamplified music sounds like (even though you never or very seldom attend live unamplified concerts) or just what you like to hear. Then if you're happy with how your system sounds, it doesn't really matter with how well it measures or what others think, does it? It shouldn't because your system is based on what you want it to sound like. So if you're happy with it that's all that should matter.
3) If your end criteria is to have a system that measures a certain way, than taking measurements is the best way to assemble this system. While listening in this case can tell you whether or not the music sounds like live unamplified music, what it reveals about the measurements depends on the measurements that were taken. Very few, if any people listen and say damn listen to that amp. It measures as having .0000001% distortion and that's exactly what I hear!
Morricab you did what I was hoping someone would do, you actually answered the question asked in my SUBJECT line, i.e. How can YOU be sure about anything in audio? I agree with your opinion that attending live unamplified concerts is the best way to be sure about your system! For once you know what live music sounds like you'll know if your system does or doesn't sound like it!
Thetubeguy1954
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Follow Ups
- Re: How Can YOU Be Sure About Anything In Audio? - thetubeguy1954 07:27:13 01/18/07 (1)
- Re: How Can YOU Be Sure About Anything In Audio? - morricab 05:20:27 01/24/07 (0)
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