I disagree with authorative Roger Sanders' claim that "WELL-DESIGNED interconnects sound identical"
- http://www.sanderssoundsystems.com/Cable White Paper.htm
- http://sound.westhost.com/cablewhitepaper.htmThis claim is misleading and apparently supported by citing an AB-testing Web site
- http://www.provide.net/~djcarlst/abx.htm
in which no difference has been detected among tested cables.I do not know the details of the experiment behind this AB testing. However, I'm sure that the majority of people in this forum can tell that there is a difference in a blind testing experiment.
I could also claim that all "WELL-MADE beers taste identical". My wife cannot tell the difference for cables as well as for beers. Simply put, she does not appreciate both and so cannot distinguish.
In general, a randomly chosen person is not a high-end supporter (we are a very small number of people in the world indeed) and so it's natural to expect that he/she cannot distinguish two cables in AB testing.
I think it's more correct to make such a testing with people having trained ears. They are the target of more refined cables and can distinguish in AB testing. I did this in my case:
- I used two kinds of cables, two pairs per kind
- All cables were built by the same person
- Shielding was 100% in all cables (suitable also for digital transmission)
- Connectors, soldering and cooking were the same
- The only difference between the two kinds was the wire: silver-coated copper vs tin-coated copper.My Quad CDP2 player has two pairs RCA outputs, connected to the Quad preamp: one of them is variable-output, but a max level has the same sound as the fixed-output one. I also used a Musical Fidelity CDP and a laptop connected to an Edirol DAC, along with Grado SR225 headphone attached to the DAC. I switched the two cables and blind testing was made with the help of my daughter. I recognized the two kinds of cables 100% times during the blind testing. I was initially skeptic about IC cables but, since then, I recognized their importance. I also recognized the importance of tweaking and room treatment, since I could hear the difference. I live in Pisa and I'm available for any blind testing experiments using my ears :-)
Cheers
Roberto
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Topic - I disagree with Roger Sanders' claim - robertopisa 02:07:13 01/01/07 (56)
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- Re: I disagree with Roger Sanders' claim - robertopisa 13:38:26 01/05/07 (7)
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- Theorems and Axioms - lipmanl@hotmail.com 07:19:10 01/08/07 (0)
- formal system - tunenut 10:14:09 01/06/07 (0)
- Re: Re Gödel - robertopisa 14:49:52 01/05/07 (3)
- Re: Re Gödel - Ted Smith 15:02:52 01/05/07 (2)
- Re: Re Gödel - robertopisa 15:26:42 01/05/07 (1)
- There are worse things than nerds :) [nt] - Ted Smith 15:30:22 01/05/07 (0)
- Re: I disagree with Roger Sanders' claim - bwaslo 08:39:08 01/05/07 (3)
- Same problem all along - Jon Risch 19:16:40 01/07/07 (2)
- Re: Same problem all along - bwaslo 08:39:24 01/10/07 (1)
- Minus 140dB is measurable. - cheap-Jack 09:34:14 01/10/07 (0)
- Me too. - cheap-Jack 07:41:06 01/05/07 (0)
- "Well-Designed" Mysticism..... - Todd Krieger 01:38:50 01/05/07 (9)
- "Well-Designed" Mysticism..... - mkuller 13:29:13 01/05/07 (6)
- Re: "Well-Designed" Mysticism..... - Todd Krieger 05:45:01 01/06/07 (0)
- Re: "Well-Designed" Mysticism..... - jneutron 13:47:51 01/05/07 (4)
- I don't think so..... - mkuller 17:06:25 01/05/07 (3)
- Re: I don't think so..... - AJinFLA 08:08:48 01/06/07 (1)
- Circular logic or... - mkuller 12:06:59 01/06/07 (0)
- Re: I don't think so..... - jneutron 07:23:40 01/06/07 (0)
- "Well-Designed" = "Perfect" in their parlance, otherwise it makes no logical sense. - clarkjohnsen 08:57:19 01/05/07 (1)
- "Logical sense" from *those* who grind and ink the glare demons from CD's??? Umm. Yeah. Ok. (nt) - AJinFLA 10:37:36 01/06/07 (0)
- It's quite simple..he is right, you are wrong. - jneutron 12:05:27 01/04/07 (5)
- I knew I had posted this somewhere.. - jneutron 13:21:23 01/05/07 (0)
- Re: It's quite simple..he is right, you are wrong. - Todd Krieger 01:59:37 01/05/07 (2)
- Re: It's quite simple..he is right, you are wrong. - jneutron 07:06:33 01/05/07 (0)
- Or... - E-Stat 06:48:37 01/05/07 (0)
- More simple: - jensw 01:20:58 01/05/07 (0)
- You have it right... - mkuller 11:28:15 01/04/07 (5)
- Re: You have it right... - kerr 07:04:24 01/05/07 (4)
- All cellists, and *all cellos*! I did DBTs with men off the street *selected randomly*, has to be right. nt - clarkjohnsen 08:54:22 01/05/07 (3)
- Great! And all bows, therefore all arrows, hence all apples, oranges to follow. - kerr 09:24:22 01/05/07 (2)
- DBTs In Action.... - thetubeguy1954 14:12:33 01/05/07 (1)
- The Myth of Failed DBTs.... - Todd Krieger 18:27:08 01/06/07 (0)
- Re: I disagree with Roger Sanders' claim - TRUFI 12:41:05 01/01/07 (4)
- Re: I disagree with Roger Sanders' claim - robertopisa 22:05:52 01/01/07 (3)
- Re: How would a subjectivist know? - theaudiohobby 20:10:04 01/05/07 (0)
- "In the high-end, there are phenomena that we cannot explain yet." LOL! - clarkjohnsen 11:16:17 01/04/07 (0)
- Re: I disagree with Roger Sanders' claim - mls-stl 09:12:56 01/04/07 (0)
- Re: I disagree with Roger Sanders' claim - bjh 08:50:15 01/02/07 (12)
- I agree. Use the same outputs for both cables (nt) - Presto 07:02:47 01/04/07 (0)
- Jesus! This place is like Hotel Callifornia! AHHHHH! nt - bjh 20:16:50 01/03/07 (0)
- Yep - Ted Smith 10:16:48 01/02/07 (9)
- Quite so, to logic we must bow. nt - clarkjohnsen 11:18:20 01/04/07 (0)
- Fixed and Variable Output Circuits are Different - JOEY. 05:09:55 01/04/07 (0)
- Re: Yep - bjh 10:44:45 01/02/07 (6)
- Not quite - Ted Smith 10:51:08 01/02/07 (5)
- Re: Not quite - bjh 11:01:28 01/02/07 (4)
- :) - Ted Smith 11:15:40 01/02/07 (0)
- Hey watch it buddy - jneutron 11:29:28 01/03/07 (2)
- Personally I believe - bjh 17:02:29 01/03/07 (1)
- OH YEAH! - jneutron 07:00:34 01/04/07 (0)
- Hey! - briggs 12:14:22 01/02/07 (0)