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Re: The Gloves are off!

Considering I am not particularly interested in cables to begin with, I have given this thread far more time and attention than I ever imagined I would.

What I find most disturbing is the consistant rejection not merely of any proposed objective methodology for measuring these simple devices and correlating their results with perceived differences but the rejection that such a methodology is even possible.

What is further disturbing is that there is some insistance that the electrical characterization of these devices is somehow to be disconnected from the way it alters electrical signals on an absolute basis and can only be characterized by how one device alters it compared to another. This is contrary to the evaluation of every other electrical and electronic device I have ever heard of. For every other device, output is compared to input. If the device alters the input then the input is measured separately first without the device connected. You don't measure the frequency response of an amplifier by comparing it to another amplifier, you compare it to a flat input signal. You don't measure amplifier distortion by comparing one unit to another, you measure it by comparing the output to the input. I don't see how it profits anyone to know which of two cables is worse on a relative basis. If I have any interest at all, I need to know how each one performs on an absolute basis.

I also need to know in advance by an objective method how to specify them without resorting to limitless trial and error. I can't rely on prosaic rapture, I need performance specifications. That's what I rely on to make my judgements. If the specifications traditionally used are inadequate, tell me specifications or test methodologies which correlate to real world performance and I will use them instead. I rely on facts. When I don't get any, I don't know what to do and I'm suspicious of people who just say "trust me." If that makes me a "naysayer" as you call it, then I will wear the label proudly. Under the circumstances, it's the only position that is rational. As for dogma, if that is what you want to refer to the methods of science and engineering I learned in school, then that's the label we'll give it.

I truely feel to see the logic in what you are saying and I think I have just about exhausted my patience with this thread and this subject for awhile.

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